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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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No you are right. He was definitely declining as the debate went on.

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I could be wrong but I view Steve at the moderate on this thread, as opposed to me, drummerboy, gopack2008, civilized, et al....

If Steve is pointing it out then I think that it was pretty obvious to everyone who paid any attention to the debate and that isn't how you want your candidate to be look 2 weeks before the election, especially considering that most of the democrats don't like the VP pick as it is.

Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

RunsWithWolves26 said:

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If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, I will never post here again.

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33% of Hispanics now support Trump in California . That is up from 12% in 2016.

Trump has made huge gains with black males and Hispanics because of jobs .

He's lost some white women support that don't like mean tweets and don't dig into news beyond MSM.

We'll see how it shakes out .

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If Trump gets 20% of the black vote, I will never post here again.

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Trump's made real gains with black men and Hispanics. It could happen.

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Steve Williams said:

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packgrad said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

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That's what blows my mind. He had ALL WEEK to prepare, and could not last 90 minutes. The job isn't 90 minute appearances once a week. The guy does not have the mental nor physical capabilities to handle the job.

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One of the biggest concerns I have with a Joe Biden presidency stems from what I mentioned above. I look at where I perceive him to be now and I wonder what version of Joe Biden we have three or four years from now. Cognitively speaking, a lot can happen over the course of 3-4 years and for me, that's scary.

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Biden is simply too old. He'll be 78 right after the election. That's too old to be just starting an enormously pressure-packed job like POTUS. If he was that age at the end of his term, that'd be different....but to be just starting? Way too old.

When you're elderly, things change fast, just like when you're very young. Look at how different a kid is over any 4 year span....2-6. 5-9. 12-16.

Same thing happens when you're elderly. Joe is in good shape "for his age". But that's nowhere near good enough for this job.

Electing Biden is essentially electing Kamala.

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

Civilized said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Steve Williams said:

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packgrad said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

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That's what blows my mind. He had ALL WEEK to prepare, and could not last 90 minutes. The job isn't 90 minute appearances once a week. The guy does not have the mental nor physical capabilities to handle the job.

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One of the biggest concerns I have with a Joe Biden presidency stems from what I mentioned above. I look at where I perceive him to be now and I wonder what version of Joe Biden we have three or four years from now. Cognitively speaking, a lot can happen over the course of 3-4 years and for me, that's scary.

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Biden is simply too old. He'll be 78 right after the election. That's too old to be just starting an enormously pressure-packed job like POTUS. If he was that age at the end of his term, that'd be different....but to be just starting? Way too old.

When you're elderly, things change fast, just like when you're very young. Look at how different a kid is over any 4 year span....2-6. 5-9. 12-16.

Same thing happens when you're elderly. Joe is in good shape "for his age". But that's nowhere near good enough for this job.

Electing Biden is essentially electing Kamala.

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

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Perhaps! Big difference with who was around Regan, compared to Biden possibilities...

Vice President - Bush Senior
Secretary of State - George Schultz
Tresury - James Baker
Defense - Casper Weinberger
AG - Ed Meese

That was a solid support cast at the high-level cabinet.

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Civilized said:

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

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Perhaps! Big difference with who was around Regan, compared to Biden possibilities...

Vice President - Bush Senior
Secretary of State - George Schultz
Tresury - James Baker
Defense - Casper Weinberger
AG - Ed Meese

That was a solid support cast at the high-level cabinet.

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Do you consider Trump's family members and revolving door of cabinet members/advisers to have been a solid supporting cast for him as President?

Be careful for what you ask for...


https://instagr.am/p/CGrCCZFg36J

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

Another big mistake by Biden last night was not only defending the Unaffordable Care Act (aka socialist health care aka Obamacare), but his ridiculous lie that "nobody lost their coverage under Obamacare".

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

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I think that accentuates the point about not voting for them.

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yep, she will be Hillarys Pawn which is exactly what the establishment wants.

Theres no two party system anymore, theres an establishment party that holds all the power and they somehow lost it in 2016 when they decided to screw Sanders over in the Primary and Trump stole the Election,

and theyve sold their soul the Far left who have thrown a non stop hissy fit for the last almost 4 years

TBH i have enjoyed the last few years watching the "Democrats" roll around like a upset todler but man does this make me nervous for the future and im more of a let it burn type of person.

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Civilized said:

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

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Perhaps! Big difference with who was around Regan, compared to Biden possibilities...

Vice President - Bush Senior
Secretary of State - George Schultz
Tresury - James Baker
Defense - Casper Weinberger
AG - Ed Meese

That was a solid support cast at the high-level cabinet.

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Do you consider Trump's family members and revolving door of cabinet members/advisers to have been a solid supporting cast for him as President?

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Do your homework and look at the cabinet. Last I looked, they are not part of his cabinet... I'll help you.

Vice President - Mike Pence
Secretary of State - Mike Pompeo
Treasury - Steve Mnuchin
Defense - Mark Esper
AG - William Barr

Civ, I've said this before, you appear to be a smart person. Why in the world do you continue asking questions like this? These question don't live up to your perceived intellect.

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IseWolf22 said:

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TraCha4 said:

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

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I think that accentuates the point about not voting for them.

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I think this is really what Trump needs at this point -- at least in the battleground states. People who should generally be Biden supporters to just not vote. I don't think many are going to switch to Trump -- EXCEPT for those who were positively affected by the economy. But if Biden/Harris don't inspire.....

I think that is part of what Biden tried to do last night -- a handful of "eye on the camera", well-rehearsed, pithy little sayings to be rah-rah.

But....like others have said, if that last 30 minutes, where he was just mangling words, isn't a worry to a voter, I'm not sure what is? Honestly, I was actually waiting for Trump to mock him at some point, but I'm guessing he had been schooled not to go there (thankfully).

Steve Williams said:

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packgrad said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

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That's what blows my mind. He had ALL WEEK to prepare, and could not last 90 minutes. The job isn't 90 minute appearances once a week. The guy does not have the mental nor physical capabilities to handle the job.

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One of the biggest concerns I have with a Joe Biden presidency stems from what I mentioned above. I look at where I perceive him to be now and I wonder what version of Joe Biden we have three or four years from now. Cognitively speaking, a lot can happen over the course of 3-4 years and for me, that's scary.

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Likely that Hidin Biden would be president for less than a year (see Pelosi's recent interest in modifying the 25th amendment).

packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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TraCha4 said:

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

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I think that accentuates the point about not voting for them.

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She was certainly near the bottom of the potential VP picks for me, (Warren was the lowest), and she's probably my biggest concern with that ticket. Yet my lesser of two evils is still Biden this year.

Hoping that Republicans hold onto the senate but that Trump is out. I don't like Tillis but I'll reluctantly vote for him

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

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Perhaps! Big difference with who was around Regan, compared to Biden possibilities...

Vice President - Bush Senior
Secretary of State - George Schultz
Tresury - James Baker
Defense - Casper Weinberger
AG - Ed Meese

That was a solid support cast at the high-level cabinet.

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Do you consider Trump's family members and revolving door of cabinet members/advisers to have been a solid supporting cast for him as President?

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Do your homework and look at the cabinet. Last I looked, they are not part of his cabinet... I'll help you.

Vice President - Mike Pence
Secretary of State - Mike Pompeo
Treasury - Steve Mnuchin
Defense - Mark Esper
AG - William Barr

Civ, I've said this before, you appear to be a smart person. Why in the world do you continue asking questions like this? These question don't live up to your perceived intellect.

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I didn't say his family was in his cabinet.

I asked if you considered his family members AND his revolving door of cabinet members/advisers to have been a solid supporting casts. His family members and cabinet members/advisers are partially overlapping groups of people, not the same people.

Although, they all play a large role in the White House.

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IseWolf22 said:

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TraCha4 said:

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

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I think that accentuates the point about not voting for them.

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Trump isn't even a Republican, he opportunistically became one. If that's not weather vane politics, what is?

Besides, the truly nonconformist, principled politicians that have a lot of 'FU' in them aren't electable. Paul, AOC, and Bernie ain't walking through the White House door.

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Harris is the most liberal person in the Senate . Why on earth is that not talked about more ?


Do we want the most liberal person in the Senate to be President ? Because Biden isn't making it another 2-3 yrs .

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This blows my mind. The media portrays her as moderate but her voting record says otherwise.

I don't think the extremes of either party is what this country needs as president.

Civilized said:

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packgrad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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TraCha4 said:

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Exactly why people need to clearly understand what Harris is all about. Because if you vote for Joe and he wins ...... you are really getting Harris.

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I don't think anyone really knows what Harris is about. She's a weather vane politician that will change her position on anything to whatever is politically advantageous at the time.

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I think that accentuates the point about not voting for them.

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Trump isn't even a Republican, he opportunistically became one. If that's not weather vane politics, what is?

Besides, the truly nonconformist, principled politicians that have a lot of 'FU' in them aren't electable. Paul, AOC, and Bernie ain't walking through the White House door.

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What is?

Biden... remember the crime bill and predators. Fracking. China. Coronavirus.

Kamala... remember all the innocent black men she knowingly sent to jail.

Trump can't touch these two in that regard.

WPNfamily said:

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Steve Williams said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

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That's what blows my mind. He had ALL WEEK to prepare, and could not last 90 minutes. The job isn't 90 minute appearances once a week. The guy does not have the mental nor physical capabilities to handle the job.

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One of the biggest concerns I have with a Joe Biden presidency stems from what I mentioned above. I look at where I perceive him to be now and I wonder what version of Joe Biden we have three or four years from now. Cognitively speaking, a lot can happen over the course of 3-4 years and for me, that's scary.

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When he looked at his watch all I could think was his battery must be running out!

As a Trump supporter I really liked the version we saw last night. I believe behind closed doors he is much like last night. No one has the stamina to be bombastic all day every day.

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He was composed last night, but he did not have to fight the moderator the whole time either, though she did interrupt him much more than Biden and gave Trump harder questions.

Rush Limbaugh has been saying all week, that in the first debate he thought Trump might already be suffering from the virus because he tested positive the next day. He knows Trump better than most of us and Rush said he was off his game that night. May or may not have an effect.

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Pacfanweb said:

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Steve Williams said:

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packgrad said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Wondering if anyone noticed besides me- I thought Biden was super sharp for about the first 45 minutes or so. I felt that was one of the better versions of Biden that I've seen and whether you agree or not with his policies, I thought he did a very good job of communicating. By the one hour mark, he really seemed to start struggling and at the end he was having difficulty putting sentences together. I told my wife, if this thing went another 30 minutes I'm not sure he could've told you what his name was. Maybe just me though.

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And think about this. It takes 4-5 days of rest and prep for him to do these debates. He literally went home and put a lid on his campaign Sunday. I'm sure they give him medicine or supplement or boost him somehow before the debate begins. Even with that AND being at home all week you can see when it starts wearing off. Nobody is being fooled by this.

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That's what blows my mind. He had ALL WEEK to prepare, and could not last 90 minutes. The job isn't 90 minute appearances once a week. The guy does not have the mental nor physical capabilities to handle the job.

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One of the biggest concerns I have with a Joe Biden presidency stems from what I mentioned above. I look at where I perceive him to be now and I wonder what version of Joe Biden we have three or four years from now. Cognitively speaking, a lot can happen over the course of 3-4 years and for me, that's scary.

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Biden is simply too old. He'll be 78 right after the election. That's too old to be just starting an enormously pressure-packed job like POTUS. If he was that age at the end of his term, that'd be different....but to be just starting? Way too old.

When you're elderly, things change fast, just like when you're very young. Look at how different a kid is over any 4 year span....2-6. 5-9. 12-16.

Same thing happens when you're elderly. Joe is in good shape "for his age". But that's nowhere near good enough for this job.

Electing Biden is essentially electing Kamala.

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His age is clearly his biggest electoral weakness amongst Dems.

Feels like he's in a similar place with Ronald Reagan during Reagan's second term.

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Yeah, except Reagan was at the END of his term at that age, whereas Biden is just trying to start one.

DrummerboyWolf said:

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Great column by Steve Deace of BlazeTV. Maybe you guys can share this with your "Suburban Moms" who might be considering voting for Joe.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/commentary-suburban-women-being-played

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I've just started following Deace. Amazing, and team that he has. Tremendous insight.

Recommend everyone check this guy out.

SupplyChainPack said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Great column by Steve Deace of BlazeTV. Maybe you guys can share this with your "Suburban Moms" who might be considering voting for Joe.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/commentary-suburban-women-being-played

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I've just started following Deace. Amazing, and team that he has. Tremendous insight.

Recommend everyone check this guy out.

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I really like Steve Deace

Mormad said:

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SupplyChainPack said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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Great column by Steve Deace of BlazeTV. Maybe you guys can share this with your "Suburban Moms" who might be considering voting for Joe.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/commentary-suburban-women-being-played

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I've just started following Deace. Amazing, and team that he has. Tremendous insight.

Recommend everyone check this guy out.

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Man, those tweets by libs to actors supporting pratt were DISGUSTING. What is wrong with people? We're told we're not to vote for Trump because he enables white supremacists, but how do we vote for Biden who obviously enables people who act like THAT??? Death threats, racism, sexism, and hatred aren't saved only for Trump supporters despite what many try to "inform" me.

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They have one set of rules for themselves... and an entirely different set of rules for everyone else.