Yeah I think it's the 3rd one.. Seems as tho the libs just aren't smart enough to recognize when they're being trolled. Mini stroke fake news conspiracy jokes are fun I guess, but maybe a bit hypocritical when your dementia patient literally cannot formulate a coherent sentence.

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Is publicly telling people to vote twice, not telling people to vote twice? Or is what he said too far above our intelligence level? Playing multi-dimensional chess? Or is it just the series of mini-strokes?

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Nothing to see here - they weren't RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIANS.


"US Attorney Charges 19 NC Non-Citizens with Voter Fraud"

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GREENSBORO The U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina has announced charges of voter fraud against 19 individuals, all non-citizens, in North Carolina. Each defendant illegally voted in a federal election in 2016.

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https://firstinfreedomdaily.com/us-attorney-charges-19-nc-non-citizens-with-voter-fraud/

SupplyChainPack said:

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Nothing to see here - they weren't RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIANS.


"US Attorney Charges 19 NC Non-Citizens with Voter Fraud"

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GREENSBORO The U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina has announced charges of voter fraud against 19 individuals, all non-citizens, in North Carolina. Each defendant illegally voted in a federal election in 2016.

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https://firstinfreedomdaily.com/us-attorney-charges-19-nc-non-citizens-with-voter-fraud/

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What does this have to do with mail-in voting? It looks like non-citizens that tried to or did register to vote. Are you saying they voted by mail and that's why it's relevant?

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SupplyChainPack said:

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tNothing to see here - they weren't RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIANS.


"US Attorney Charges 19 NC Non-Citizens with Voter Fraud"

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GREENSBORO The U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina has announced charges of voter fraud against 19 individuals, all non-citizens, in North Carolina. Each defendant illegally voted in a federal election in 2016.

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https://firstinfreedomdaily.com/us-attorney-charges-19-nc-non-citizens-with-voter-fraud/

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What does this have to do with mail-in voting? It looks like non-citizens that tried to or did register to vote. Are you saying they voted by mail and that's why it's relevant?

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Or he's trying to use this as an example of how voter fraud is so prevalent.

19 people. And they got caught so...

Election-swinging stuff!

Yeah... you guys fell for the bait again. For the 10,000th time too. I mean he's been trolling for 4+ years. I don't agree with this method but it effectively exposes the media for how crazy they are. He's not seriously telling people to vote twice. He's trolling with his comment especially to the people who say that more mail in voting won't lead to any fraud. Anyone with half a brain knows the more votes that are mailed in the more fraud and miscounting that will happen. It's a mathematical certainty.

But he wants more mail-in voting too, based on the mailers I get from his campaign.

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But he wants more mail-in voting too, based on the mailers I get from his campaign.

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My HOPE is that NC things go well and above board if you will. We've had our share of issues recently on the GOP side and I know we've had past issues on the Dem side. So... my concern is non partisan. I want a free and fair election. I'm disgusted at the democrats and how they are setting up for the opposite of that. They can either commit fraud themselves or they can accuse the other side of it. But given the dems are doing a huge get out the vote by mail all year what choice does GOP have? Are they supposed to not do it? There are GOP voters out there that might be scared to go to polls or afraid of all absentee voting now. Absentee voting is certainly better then random mail out to all RV's. But given the mass increase in quantity of absentee this time I am concerned for the validity and count. Given we get 3 weeks before election day to run to an early poll and vote I don't see why we even need to have such a high amount of voting done by mail. I'm going in person. Only secure way as far as I'm concerned. There WILL be fraud this time. Just a question of where, how much, and what races are impacted.

Committing crimes to own the Libs - he's playing 3d chess on us

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Committing crimes to own the Libs - he's playing 3d chess on us

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The BOE Director is a partisan shill, obviously.

Don't know if anyone saw the Barr interview from CNN yesterday. He made a comment indicating that he thought voting twice might not be illegal depending on where in the country you live. This was the attorney general, mind you. One of a couple of startling responses.

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Yeah... you guys fell for the bait again. For the 10,000th time too. I mean he's been trolling for 4+ years. I don't agree with this method but it effectively exposes the media for how crazy they are. He's not seriously telling people to vote twice. He's trolling with his comment especially to the people who say that more mail in voting won't lead to any fraud. Anyone with half a brain knows the more votes that are mailed in the more fraud and miscounting that will happen. It's a mathematical certainty.

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I agree that he's trolling.

It just illustrates yet again how grossly ill-suited his temperament is for the job.

He is simply unable to comprehend or care about the extreme level of responsibility his job entails.

The President is trolling Americans in a way that calls for them to commit a crime AND pollutes the electoral process.

My third grader would know better. Preposterous.

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Committing crimes to own the Libs - he's playing 3d chess on us

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The BOE Director is a partisan shill, obviously.

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Actually - she is a total partisan shill. Completely and utterly partisan,

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But he wants more mail-in voting too, based on the mailers I get from his campaign.

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Pretty straight forward...

It's like someone who is against the concept of social security in principle. They believe it's a Ponzi scheme and that it will end up bankrupting the country because it is not sustainable.

However, in their long days of working very hard they have been forced in every single paycheck to pay into this Ponzi scheme. They had no choice. If they had somehow found a way to cheat paying their social security they would have been count and taken to jail.

Now, when this person retires, should they refuse to take social security disbursement he was forced to pay into for the 40-plus years of their working life?

He would be absolutely justified in doing so because he was forced to be in the system even if he disagreed with it.

If Democratic general assemblies and governors are going to cram vote-by-mail down our throats, Trump has every right to work within that bad system to try to generate as many votes as he possibly can. It's not his fault that the state governments are jamming this flawed and vulnerable system down our throats. He, as a candidate, must work within that system whether he likes it or not.

So no issue with him bringing the vote by now opportunities up to American voters if that is the hand that he's already been dealt.

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SupplyChainPack said:

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tNothing to see here - they weren't RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIANS.


"US Attorney Charges 19 NC Non-Citizens with Voter Fraud"

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GREENSBORO The U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of North Carolina has announced charges of voter fraud against 19 individuals, all non-citizens, in North Carolina. Each defendant illegally voted in a federal election in 2016.

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https://firstinfreedomdaily.com/us-attorney-charges-19-nc-non-citizens-with-voter-fraud/

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What does this have to do with mail-in voting? It looks like non-citizens that tried to or did register to vote. Are you saying they voted by mail and that's why it's relevant?

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Or he's trying to use this as an example of how voter fraud is so prevalent.

19 people. And they got caught so...

Election-swinging stuff!

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That's just the people that were dumb enough to get caught. It's incredibly difficult to get caught committing voter fraud if you put any thought into it.


I'll ask again - how many tens of thousands of times do you think that people exceed the speed limit per citation that is actually handed out for speeding?

Both the North Carolina House and Senate are run by Republicans.

Which general assemblies are you talking about?

Actually and I didn't hear his interview yesterday but on Trump's twitter feed today he's saying that in all seriousness you should mail in your vote as early as possible if doing vote by mail in. Then he said you need to go to your polling place on election day or during early voting and check to see if your ballot was counted. If it has not been counted then vote there, but if it has then the system worked and you are good.

This would be good advice and a good way to check the system and prevent fraud. But I imagine if anyone does this it will simply be as an experiment to make sure their ballot wasn't thrown out. If anyone is voting by mail then they're not going to the polling place otherwise there's no point in voting by mail to begin with.

4d chess

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Actually and I didn't hear his interview yesterday but on Trump's twitter feed today he's saying that in all seriousness you should mail in your vote as early as possible if doing vote by mail in. Then he said you need to go to your polling place on election day or during early voting and check to see if your ballot was counted. If it has not been counted then vote there, but if it has then the system worked and you are good.

This would be good advice and a good way to check the system and prevent fraud. But I imagine if anyone does this it will simply be as an experiment to make sure their ballot wasn't thrown out. If anyone is voting by mail then they're not going to the polling place otherwise there's no point in voting by mail to begin with.

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You can't tell these idiots anything. It's a waste of your breath.

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Actually and I didn't hear his interview yesterday but on Trump's twitter feed today he's saying that in all seriousness you should mail in your vote as early as possible if doing vote by mail in. Then he said you need to go to your polling place on election day or during early voting and check to see if your ballot was counted. If it has not been counted then vote there, but if it has then the system worked and you are good.

This would be good advice and a good way to check the system and prevent fraud. But I imagine if anyone does this it will simply be as an experiment to make sure their ballot wasn't thrown out. If anyone is voting by mail then they're not going to the polling place otherwise there's no point in voting by mail to begin with.

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The problem is, is Trump has so little knowledge of topics he speaks on that it's dangerous.

Very simply, he could've told people to look on the SBOE website to confirm if their ballot had been received. Instead he goes off on a tangent trying to get people to vote twice?

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ncsualum05 said:

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Actually and I didn't hear his interview yesterday but on Trump's twitter feed today he's saying that in all seriousness you should mail in your vote as early as possible if doing vote by mail in. Then he said you need to go to your polling place on election day or during early voting and check to see if your ballot was counted. If it has not been counted then vote there, but if it has then the system worked and you are good.

This would be good advice and a good way to check the system and prevent fraud. But I imagine if anyone does this it will simply be as an experiment to make sure their ballot wasn't thrown out. If anyone is voting by mail then they're not going to the polling place otherwise there's no point in voting by mail to begin with.

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The problem is, is Trump has so little knowledge of topics he speaks on that it's dangerous.

Very simply, he could've told people to look on the SBOE website to confirm if their ballot had been received. Instead he goes off on a tangent trying to get people to vote twice?

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Storm waits patiently for statefan91 to tell us how he would reconfigure and improve Trump's personal businesses if he was in charge... this is starting to get comical.

The guy knows what he's doing even if he doesn't make everybody happy with how he goes about it.

#ResultsTrumpHate.

And I can't help but notice how this contradicts your "comittment" to your stances on the Coranavirus thread... or maybe you were just feigning to question things there? You should probably go ahead and get that vote in now before you change your mind? LOL.

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The best part is that he edited it and it's still completely nonsensical.

Something tells me that mail-in voting fraud is a lot harder to get away with than speeding. Not that I've tried. Voting fraud, that is.

dogplasma said:

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Something tells me that mail-in voting fraud is a lot harder to get away with than speeding. Not that I've tried. Voting fraud, that is.

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Speeding's not a felony, either. And you can accidentally speed. You can't accidentally commit voter fraud.

It's a terrible analogy.

You can also purposefully speed - much more common.

Perfect analogy.

And yes, it is extraordinarily easy to cast fraudulent votes - and it's getting easier all the time.

Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

My wife requested her absentee ballot yesterday since she'll be 8 months pregnant.

I'll vote in person. I've also submitted my interest to be a volunteer on election day but I've not been contacted yet

IseWolf22 said:

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My wife requested her absentee ballot yesterday since she'll be 8 months pregnant.

I'll vote in person. I've also submitted my interest to be a volunteer on election day but I've not been contacted yet

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I volunteered in high school and had a blast. I wanted to do it this year, but unless the timing of some work stuff changes, its probably not in the cards this year

I think Vote By Mail in NC started today; never done it myself. I did hear that normally about 5% of the NC vote is by mail and this year it could be 40% because of CV-19.

https://www.ncvoter.org/absentee-ballots/

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Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

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Yes you would. You've hit the nail on the head.

That's the problem with SupplyChain's conspiracy theory that voting fraud is easy and potentially already widespread.

It's easy to think of ways that a single act of fraud could potentially be perpetrated but there's no evidence - zero - that fraud on any scale has previously impacted state or national elections, for obvious reasons.

The risks, logistics, disincentives, and fraud-protection measures already in place prevent theoretical perps from being able to do this on any sort of widespread basis.

dogplasma said:

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Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

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Tons of ways - very easy.

Here is just a little snipit - very far from comprehensive....

https://www.insidesources.com/mail-in-ballots-make-voter-fraud-easy-i-know-because-i-did-it/

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Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

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Tons of ways - very easy.

Here is just a little snipit - very far from comprehensive....

https://www.insidesources.com/mail-in-ballots-make-voter-fraud-easy-i-know-because-i-did-it/

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You're proving the point. If one person wants to risk being hit with a felony, they can do something like this.

There aren't enough of those people to perpetrate fraud on a meaningful scale.

The only other two examples that the author brought up were both cases where the voter fraud was attempted to be scaled, and they were both caught and prosecuted because there are safeguards in place to identify and prevent larger fraud attempts.

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Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

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Tons of ways - very easy.

Here is just a little snipit - very far from comprehensive....

https://www.insidesources.com/mail-in-ballots-make-voter-fraud-easy-i-know-because-i-did-it/

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There aren't enough of those people to perpetrate fraud on a meaningful scale.

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And how, exactly, would you know that?

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SupplyChainPack said:

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dogplasma said:

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Explain extraordinarily easy. To vote mail-in, wouldn't you have to: Get hold of someone's ballot, enter some form of their personal info (birth date, SSN, etc), and then sign the ballot with their signature? And do that knowing that you'll go to jail if caught? That doesn't scream massive fraud opportunity to me, but maybe I'm overestimating the process. I've heard people have attempted to collect ballots from people to "assist" them with voting, but that's labor intensive and fraught with risk. And also small potatoes in the big picture.

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Tons of ways - very easy.

Here is just a little snipit - very far from comprehensive....

https://www.insidesources.com/mail-in-ballots-make-voter-fraud-easy-i-know-because-i-did-it/

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There aren't enough of those people to perpetrate fraud on a meaningful scale.

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And how, exactly, would you know that?

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Same way we know that cell phone EMF doesn't cause cancer.

Because it's been studied over, and over, and over, and over again and there no evidence of it.

Trump's team has been ordered to produce evidence of fraud occurring in court. If the evidence is out there, Trump's legal time would dig it up, right? Except they can't. They can't find any evidence because it's not there.

"The response provided by the Trump campaign to the opposing counsel, which was shared with The Intercept and Type Investigations, contains a few scant examples of election fraud but none of the instances in the 524-page discovery document involved mail-in ballots.

"Not only did the campaign fail to provide evidence that voter fraud was a widespread problem in Pennsylvania, they failed to provide any evidence that any misconduct occurred in the primary election or that so-called voter fraud is any sort of regular problem in Pennsylvania,"

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"Judge Julie Robinson wrote in her opinion that "evidence that the voter rolls include ineligible citizens is weak. At most, 39 [non]citizens have found their way onto the Kansas voter rolls in the last 19 years." The rare known cases of voter fraud were not the tip of the iceberg, she concluded, "there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error."

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/20/trump-election-fraud-pennsylvania-court/

There is no iceberg.

"Not only did the campaign fail to provide evidence that voter fraud was a widespread problem in Pennsylvania, they failed to provide any evidence that any misconduct occurred in the primary election or that so-called voter fraud is any sort of regular problem in Pennsylvania,"

How can you provide evidence when one would have to go out of their way to leave evidence?