Mandatory vaccines and tracking, mark of the Beast

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Glasswolf said:

The number of people who die each year from flu-related causes in the U.S. is 8,200 to 20,000.

The number of people who have died from Covid-19 in about 100 days is 105,000
First off, I do not believe that the "105,000" figure is anywhere near accurate. It is grossly inflated. The way they are reporting deaths "from COVID-19" is deceptive/false. They are apparently including anyone who dies "WITH Covid-19" and having died "as a result of Covid-19". But having a cold/flu when you died does not mean that the cold/flu was the CAUSE of your death.

The CDC's own numbers say the average U.S. deaths from the flu over the last 10 years are about 35,000, including the following for recent flu seasons:

2016-2017: 38,000 deaths
2017-2018: 61,000 deaths
2018-2019: 34,157 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
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The rate of tropical aluminum absorption multiplied by average daily usage greatly outweighs vaccine intravenous absorption. Try again

What unbiased basis do you use to determine what claims to trust? Yes I miss typed. Nice catch, but you did prove my point about subtle chemical composition. You sourced a site my little brother could go change the details on if he chose. try again

Substances used at varied dosages have varied outcomes. If you are properly trained and do extensive research you know how to administer the safe and beneficial dosages. Oxygen has a strong rate of decay on organic objects. Guess we should give that up too. try again
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Threeam said:

The rate of tropical aluminum absorption multiplied by average daily usage greatly outweighs vaccine intravenous absorption. Try again

What unbiased basis do you use to determine what claims to trust? Yes I miss typed. Nice catch, but you did prove my point about subtle chemical composition. You sourced a site my little brother could go change the details on if he chose. try again

Substances used at varied dosages have varied outcomes. If you are properly trained and do extensive research you know how to administer the safe and beneficial dosages. Oxygen has a strong rate of decay on organic objects. Guess we should give that up too. try again
And the CDC and government are "unbiased"? Lmfao

If you think injecting mercury, aluminum, and formaldehyde directly into your veins and those of your children is a great idea...then hey, I guess that takes a lot of faith in the "benevolence" of the almighty Gubmint.
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I trust the collected medical findings of worlds medical professionals. The world cant agree on anything, but does on this
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Threeam said:

I trust the collected medical findings of worlds medical professionals. The world cant agree on anything, but does on this
Well they haven't made me agree on the supposed "safety or efficacy" of vaccines. Along with millions of others. You have millions of people in the world who believe the exact opposite, and believe that vaccines are extremely dangerous, and will NEVER let the government inject them or their children with these poisons.

The medical profession is a "mafia", of sorts. If you don't follow the "orthodoxy", you are punished financially or lose your license. The treatment of cancer is a great example of this. There have been dozens of effective natural treatments and cures for cancer that have been discovered -- eg, use of high doses of vitamin C, vitamin B12, natural herbs, etc. But they are suppressed by the medical industry, and doctors who have tried to use those natural treatments to heal their patients are routinely punished, including losing their licenses. Many doctors using these natural treatments have been murdered under suspicious circumstances. The FDA and medical industry will only allow (essentially) a few options to "treat" cancer: poisoning your body with "chemotherapy" or "radiation treatment", and surgery. Cancer is BIG business -- trillions of dollars in profit. They aren't about to let people know that they can be cured by natural means -- vitamins, natural herbs, etc.

So...there are many doctors who know that vaccines are harmful. But the problem is that they can't speak out against the vaccines, or they will be punished by the board and potentially lose their license and livelihood. And the doctors who have already spoken out and have had their licenses taken are labelled as "discredited" by people who support vaccines, because these doctors have had their reputation "tarnished".
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At one time, even Trump was telling the truth about the danger of vaccines:

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Funny I had so many vaccines in 1965 o just go to school and had to have most of them redone 2 years ago so I could do subcontract work at Duke Hospital..

I get the flu vaccine every year
I've had a shingles shot and a Pneumonia shot.

Not one single issue ever.
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GuerrillaPack said:

Glasswolf said:

The number of people who die each year from flu-related causes in the U.S. is 8,200 to 20,000.

The number of people who have died from Covid-19 in about 100 days is 105,000
First off, I do not believe that the "105,000" figure is anywhere near accurate. It is grossly inflated. The way they are reporting deaths "from COVID-19" is deceptive/false. They are apparently including anyone who dies "WITH Covid-19" and having died "as a result of Covid-19". But having a cold/flu when you died does not mean that the cold/flu was the CAUSE of your death.

The CDC's own numbers say the average U.S. deaths from the flu over the last 10 years are about 35,000, including the following for recent flu seasons:

2016-2017: 38,000 deaths
2017-2018: 61,000 deaths
2018-2019: 34,157 deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
Still doesn't top 105,000 in 100 days. And by the end of the year it may top 300,000. I also don't believe 105,000 is accurate. I believe it's higher.

And not everyone has died from AIDS. Most deaths listed were from complications from the AIDS virus. Just as AIDS aided in a lot of deaths I'm sure Covid-19 has done the same
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Glasswolf said:

Funny I had so many vaccines in 1965 o just go to school and had to have most of them redone 2 years ago so I could do subcontract work at Duke Hospital..

I get the flu vaccine every year
I've had a shingles shot and a Pneumonia shot.

Not one single issue ever.
That's anecdotal evidence. Like some person saying "Hey I know my Uncle Joe who smoked cigarettes and drank like a sailor, and lived to be 95 with no lung cancer or liver problems". That doesn't mean that smoking is not harmful to your lungs, and drinking is not harmful to your liver.

When you have children now being forced to take 30+ shots in a span of less than 2 years, that's an overload of mercury, aluminum, and other toxins -- which is causing the huge spike in neurological disorders in children (such as austism) over the past few decades.

And not every child is harmed (at least in the same way) by the shots -- at least as can be observed. Although there is evidence of an IQ reduction caused by these neurotoxins, which probably affects most children who take vaccines. Just as every person who smokes doesn't come down with lung cancer -- but I'm sure that their lungs have suffered some level of damage, perhaps not observed. Different people are more or less susceptible to the harm caused by different things.
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GuerrillaPack said:

Glasswolf said:

Funny I had so many vaccines in 1965 o just go to school and had to have most of them redone 2 years ago so I could do subcontract work at Duke Hospital..

I get the flu vaccine every year
I've had a shingles shot and a Pneumonia shot.

Not one single issue ever.
That's anecdotal evidence. Like some person saying "Hey I know my Uncle Joe who smoked cigarettes and drank like a sailor, and lived to be 95 with no lung cancer or liver problems". That doesn't mean that smoking is not harmful to your lungs, and drinking is not harmful to your liver.

When you have children now being forced to take 30+ shots in a span of less than 2 years, that's an overload of mercury, aluminum, and other toxins -- which is causing the huge spike in neurological disorders in children (such as austism) over the past few decades.

And not every child is harmed (at least in the same way) by the shots -- at least as can be observed. Although there is evidence of an IQ reduction caused by these neurotoxins, which probably affects most children who take vaccines. Just as every person who smokes doesn't come down with lung cancer -- but I'm sure that their lungs have suffered some level of damage, perhaps not observed. Different people are more or less susceptible to the harm caused by different things.
My son had them all plus a ton more when he was deployed to Iraq. Just admit people don't want them because they don't want people telling them they need them. Same as these nut job christians that refuse to have their sick children treated by a Doctor because they believe God will cure them. God gave Doctors the ability to help heal people.
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And round and round he goes, and round and round he goes and round and round and round he goes.
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I've referenced this many times on this board -- The globalist "New World Order" agenda architects have funded and created the Marxist/Communist movement as a political vehicle to bring in their totalitarian NWO agenda.

The United States and most of the world is being taken over by communism (also, under the label "socialism") -- by "Leftist" political movements in almost every nation.

What you are seeing with the COVID-19 hoax and now these riots all over the nation is the pre-planned ongoing subversion and destruction of the nation. COVID-19 is being used to destroy small businesses and the middle class (per the Marxist plan) -- while allowing the big elite-run companies to stay open and take over market share. COVID-19, of course, is also being used to set the precedent for, and grant the government all sorts of draconian powers.

Now, with the ongoing rioting in cities all over the nation, you see ANTIFA (a communist, George Soros-funded organization) and their allies causing chaos -- leading to further destruction of the economy, government power grabs, etc.

Here is a good article on the communist agenda being advanced on the pretext of COVID-19:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-31-involuntary-socialism-invoked-america-democrat-communist-governors.html
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I can't believe I went to a school that has graduates that are "anti-vaxxers."
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There you go with the "globalist New World Order agenda" crap full of Satan worshiping Communists.

When that's your starting point for viewing any issue, you are not parsing information rationally or objectively.
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IseWolf22 said:

There you go with the "globalist New World Order agenda" crap full of Satan worshiping Communists.

When that's your starting point for viewing any issue, you are not parsing information rationally or objectively.
I'm extremely rational with the information that I'm analyzing. The difference is that I may have more information than the average person -- or, at the least, the consideration of information from a wider spectrum of viewpoints. I don't say that to brag. But the reason my views on these topics are far different from the average person is, in my estimation, in large part due to the fact that I have simply researched and become informed on a lot of information/facts that most people are not aware of. I have spent hundreds of hours researching Marxism/communism, and the related "globalist" agenda. I know who founded Marxism/communism/socialism (not just Marx, but the network behind him), its true goals, and how it has spread and continues to spread in influence.

And nowadays you don't even have to research that hard in order to see these things. The agenda for a one-world government is now open and admitted. World elites and government leaders, in the last decade, now routinely call for a one world government. And more and more Leftist political parties are now openly admitting their Marxist roots and socialist/communist agenda. The Democrat party in the United States is a great example of this -- with many of the prominent members (Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc) now openly identifying as "socialists". There was a recent poll where over half of registered democrats now say they prefer socialism to capitalism.
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johntom said:

I can't believe I went to a school that has graduates that are "anti-vaxxers."

And a flat earther, too.
It is an embarassment, for sure.
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Pacfanweb said:

johntom said:

I can't believe I went to a school that has graduates that are "anti-vaxxers."

And a flat earther, too.
It is an embarassment, for sure.
If you actually research the "flat earth" view, you may be surprised at what you find. If you really dig in and do some serious research, you will probably have your mind blown and mind changed. This applies to pretty much any viewpoint....don't knee-jerk reject it before substantively considering the argument and evidence for it.
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GuerrillaPack said:

IseWolf22 said:

There you go with the "globalist New World Order agenda" crap full of Satan worshiping Communists.

When that's your starting point for viewing any issue, you are not parsing information rationally or objectively.
I'm extremely rational with the information that I'm analyzing. The difference is that I may have more information than the average person -- or, at the least, the consideration of information from a wider spectrum of viewpoints. I don't say that to brag. But the reason my views on these topics are far different from the average person is, in my estimation, in large part due to the fact that I have simply researched and become informed on a lot of information/facts that most people are not aware of. I have spent hundreds of hours researching Marxism/communism, and the related "globalist" agenda. I know who founded Marxism/communism/socialism (not just Marx, but the network behind him), its true goals, and how it has spread and continues to spread in influence.

And nowadays you don't even have to research that hard in order to see these things. The agenda for a one-world government is now open and admitted. World elites and government leaders, in the last decade, now routinely call for a one world government. And more and more Leftist political parties are now openly admitting their Marxist roots and socialist/communist agenda. The Democrat party in the United States is a great example of this -- with many of the prominent members (Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc) now openly identifying as "socialists". There was a recent poll where over half of registered democrats now say they prefer socialism to capitalism.
Watching crackpot videos on youtube does not equal research. For someone who trashes the media you consume some of the lowest quality information sources possible
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IseWolf22 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

IseWolf22 said:

There you go with the "globalist New World Order agenda" crap full of Satan worshiping Communists.

When that's your starting point for viewing any issue, you are not parsing information rationally or objectively.
I'm extremely rational with the information that I'm analyzing. The difference is that I may have more information than the average person -- or, at the least, the consideration of information from a wider spectrum of viewpoints. I don't say that to brag. But the reason my views on these topics are far different from the average person is, in my estimation, in large part due to the fact that I have simply researched and become informed on a lot of information/facts that most people are not aware of. I have spent hundreds of hours researching Marxism/communism, and the related "globalist" agenda. I know who founded Marxism/communism/socialism (not just Marx, but the network behind him), its true goals, and how it has spread and continues to spread in influence.

And nowadays you don't even have to research that hard in order to see these things. The agenda for a one-world government is now open and admitted. World elites and government leaders, in the last decade, now routinely call for a one world government. And more and more Leftist political parties are now openly admitting their Marxist roots and socialist/communist agenda. The Democrat party in the United States is a great example of this -- with many of the prominent members (Bernie Sanders, AOC, etc) now openly identifying as "socialists". There was a recent poll where over half of registered democrats now say they prefer socialism to capitalism.
Watching crackpot videos on youtube does not equal research. For someone who trashes the media you consume some of the lowest quality information sources possible
Which videos are you talking about? The material I linked from Dean Odle and Eric Dubay? Have you watched any of the videos at all? If not, then how can you make a judgement as to whether they present good/factual information, or not?

I'm not directing this at you, because I don't know your views or your own sources....but does just consuming nothing but "Establishment" and Lamestream media in order to get your information equal true research? Of course not. So...what does that mean? It means you need to go OUTSIDE of the Establishment sources of information, in order to find the truth on a wide range of subjects.

YouTube has EVERY viewpoint on every subject imaginable. Well...except for viewpoints on certain subjects that they have recently banned, when they started censoring in the last few years. The internet, in general, has every viewpoint on every subject imaginable. So you can't refer to "YouTube" or "the internet" as being "bad sources" of information. To the contrary, they have every viewpoint and every bit of information there is, in existence. The tough part is knowing where to look, and then weeding out the bad information, and finding the good information.

The person who only gets their information from the government and Establishment sources is only getting ONE narrative and view (essentially, for the most part) on about every major issue. There is no disagreement from the Establishment. At least people who are researching information outside of the Establishment (from "alternative" sources) are getting MORE information -- and therefore able to see a different viewpoint, and make a more informed judgment.
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i'm at least 12% dumber after reading through this entire thread.

any human being that believes the earth is flat should lose their freedom of speech. honestly you should be ashamed of yourself...
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GuerrillaPack said:

Pacfanweb said:

johntom said:

I can't believe I went to a school that has graduates that are "anti-vaxxers."

And a flat earther, too.
It is an embarassment, for sure.
If you actually research the "flat earth" view, you may be surprised at what you find. If you really dig in and do some serious research, you will probably have your mind blown and mind changed. This applies to pretty much any viewpoint....don't knee-jerk reject it before substantively considering the argument and evidence for it.

There is absolutely no, none, zero evidence of Flat Earth. The information out there is a bunch of lies and misrepresentations that people like you keep bringing up. And then they are refuted... And then a few months later they bring them up again.
It's pure stupidity. This has been proven for years and years and years. Decades if not centuries. It's beyond debate. Anyone who thinks the Earth is flat is an idiot or a troll. You don't need to be open-minded about that because there's nothing to be open-minded about. Two plus two is four. The Earth is round. No difference. Round earth is not a theory, it's a stone-cold fact that cannot be argued with.
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acslater1344 said:

i'm at least 12% dumber after reading through this entire thread.

any human being that believes the earth is flat should lose their freedom of speech. honestly you should be ashamed of yourself...
No. YOU should be ashamed of yourself for advocating censorship and taking the position that people should lose their freedom of speech. That is un-American. That is denying someone their civil rights -- and perhaps their most important right guaranteed by the Constitution. I hope that was just hyperbole. What you are arguing is criminal -- to deny people their most important rights.

At worst, hypothetically, I just hold an opinion that is "woefully incorrect" (in your view). I'm not harming anyone. We all have the right to express our own opinions and views -- whether we are right or completely wrong. You have no right to deny people their right to speak just because you happen to think they are wrong. What exactly are you proposing -- that somehow there be instituted a policy of what is "acceptable" speech? I assume that would mean we all have to just parrot Establishment-approved viewpoints, right? That would be the epitome of a policy of "political correctness" -- akin to speech codes in some communist country, where you are only allowed to hold opinions which are approved/espoused by the government/Establishment.

And, of course, this is what leftists want. They ultimately want to be able to censor anyone who holds "politically incorrect" views -- ie, that they label as "hateful", "racist", "conspiracy theories", "harmful", etc. Leftist parties/governments all over the world -- and particularly in Europe, Canada, and other Western nations-- have already severely eroded freedom of speech by passing "hate speech" laws that criminalize certain viewpoints -- such as criticism of homosexuality, Islam, or immigration policy.
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Pacfanweb said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Pacfanweb said:

johntom said:

I can't believe I went to a school that has graduates that are "anti-vaxxers."

And a flat earther, too.
It is an embarassment, for sure.
If you actually research the "flat earth" view, you may be surprised at what you find. If you really dig in and do some serious research, you will probably have your mind blown and mind changed. This applies to pretty much any viewpoint....don't knee-jerk reject it before substantively considering the argument and evidence for it.

There is absolutely no, none, zero evidence of Flat Earth. The information out there is a bunch of lies and misrepresentations that people like you keep bringing up. And then they are refuted... And then a few months later they bring them up again.
It's pure stupidity. This has been proven for years and years and years. Decades if not centuries. It's beyond debate. Anyone who thinks the Earth is flat is an idiot or a troll. You don't need to be open-minded about that because there's nothing to be open-minded about. Two plus two is four. The Earth is round. No difference. Round earth is not a theory, it's a stone-cold fact that cannot be argued with.
If a bunch of people are always bringing this up, then doesn't that clue you in to the fact that there are people who actually believe this? Well, guess what? I'm one of those people. I absolutely am not a "troll". I genuinely believe that we are being lied to by the Establishment about the nature of the universe -- including the heliocentric theory, "Big Bang" theory of cosmology, theory of evolution, and the claim of a "globe" earth. I created an entire thread on the subject in this forum, with numerous items of evidence. There are dozens of proofs that the "globe" model of the earth is false, and that the earth is, in fact, flat.

If you see this thread, there is no way you can honestly say that I'm just "pretending" to believe this.

https://insidepacksports.com/forums/4/topics/15090

Call me an "idiot" if you want. I don't give a rat's arse what you or anyone else say. I'm past that point.
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And every bit of "evidence" you gave is wrong. All of it. Been refuted with ease.

But you say you're "open minded and rational" about it? LOL

There's not a "we're being lied to" about the universe. Religion is probably a lie, for the most part...made up by the smart people of the time to soothe the questions of the dumber ones.

But nobody is lying about the earth being round....there's no reason for it. We have the pictures, we have the video, and every shred of anything science-related backs it up. There's not reason whatsoever for anyone to lie about the earth really being flat. None. Plus, all the people who would have to be in on this, could not possibly keep such a secret. It's impossible.

You can see the curvature from planes. Thousands of people have. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.
The astronauts on the moon watched the earth rotate. They orbited the earth. Stationary satellites watch the earth rotate constantly.

Naval gunnery computers have calculations for the earth's rotation built in...down to which way you're shooting: Towards the rotation or with it. And this is from over 70 years ago that those computers were built.

You can easily prove it by simply watching a ship sail out of sight. Or put a drop of water on the table and see how it's curved, then realize that the ocean is the same thing, just a LOT bigger.

If the earth was flat, you could see for farther than you can. But you can see the moon, sun and stars just fine, and they are a LOT farther away than the earth is round...but they're straight up in the sky and the curvature doesn't come into play when the moon or sun is right above you. If the earth was flat, you could see from Florida to Cuba, since it's only 90 miles or so...but you can't.

You can see the ISS when it flies overhead. It's 254 miles up. You can see it with the naked eye, but you can't see 254 miles away on earth even if you climb up 100 feet. Because of the curvature.

Bottom line is, yeah...there are idiots who actually believe it. And they are just that: Idiots. To be mocked and ridiculed anytime they bring such idiocy up.

They probably claim to understand women, too.
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Pacfanweb said:

And every bit of "evidence" you gave is wrong. All of it. Been refuted with ease.

But you say you're "open minded and rational" about it? LOL

There's not a "we're being lied to" about the universe. Religion is probably a lie, for the most part...made up by the smart people of the time to soothe the questions of the dumber ones.

But nobody is lying about the earth being round....there's no reason for it. We have the pictures, we have the video, and every shred of anything science-related backs it up. There's not reason whatsoever for anyone to lie about the earth really being flat. None. Plus, all the people who would have to be in on this, could not possibly keep such a secret. It's impossible.

You can see the curvature from planes. Thousands of people have. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.
The astronauts on the moon watched the earth rotate. They orbited the earth. Stationary satellites watch the earth rotate constantly.

Naval gunnery computers have calculations for the earth's rotation built in...down to which way you're shooting: Towards the rotation or with it. And this is from over 70 years ago that those computers were built.

You can easily prove it by simply watching a ship sail out of sight. Or put a drop of water on the table and see how it's curved, then realize that the ocean is the same thing, just a LOT bigger.

If the earth was flat, you could see for farther than you can. But you can see the moon, sun and stars just fine, and they are a LOT farther away than the earth is round...but they're straight up in the sky and the curvature doesn't come into play when the moon or sun is right above you. If the earth was flat, you could see from Florida to Cuba, since it's only 90 miles or so...but you can't.

You can see the ISS when it flies overhead. It's 254 miles up. You can see it with the naked eye, but you can't see 254 miles away on earth even if you climb up 100 feet. Because of the curvature.

Bottom line is, yeah...there are idiots who actually believe it. And they are just that: Idiots. To be mocked and ridiculed anytime they bring such idiocy up.

They probably claim to understand women, too.

So you want to re-hash every argument for the globe earth theory vs the flat earth reality? I already addressed basically every point you made in that thread: https://insidepacksports.com/forums/4/topics/15090

1. There is a MASSIVE motive for the Establishment to be lying about the nature of the universe. I went into depth in discussing this on the first post on the flat earth thread. The motive is that the Establishment (via the "orthodox" pseudo-science field) is hell-bent on promoting an atheistic world view. And what do you know?...you alluded to this agenda in your post above right after questioning "what is the motive", with your attack on religion. I guess you couldn't help yourself there, to reveal the truth. The Establishment has concocted many gigantic lies under the guise of "science" to promote atheism and attack God and the Bible -- including the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, etc.

And the heliocentric theory and the theory of a globe earth were among the first attacks by these pseudo-scientists on the Bible. Why? Because the Bible explicitly states (over and over, with numerous passages) that the earth is fixed and immovable, and that it is flat. According to God, according to the Bible....the earth is NOT MOVING. It is not "flying around the sun", per the heliocentric theory.

So let me reiterate. If anyone is a true Christian who believes in the inerrancy of God's Word -- then they must believe what the Bible plainly says -- ie, that the earth is fixed and not moving, and that it is flat.

2. You cannot see curvature of the earth from planes. What you could see is a distortion of the image after viewing the earth through the curved (fish-eye) lens of the curved window of the plane. To the contrary, no matter how high you go up above the earth in a plane, the horizon always is flat and stays at the level of your eye. If the earth was "curved", then when you rise in altitude, the horizon should drop down (relative to your eye level).

3. Astronauts absolutely have not seen the earth rotate. As I detailed in the thread, NASA is a gigantic fraud. The supposed "moon landings" are a gigantic hoax. There is not one genuine photograph from NASA showing a "globe" earth. Not one. The ones that have been presented are admitted to be photo-shopped "composites".

4. The claim of guns having to be calibrated for the spin of the earth is preposterous. Are you telling us that if a bullet fired from a gun, hypothetically, were to travel at a super-slow speed (say ~1 mph) then the earth would "spin" beneath the bullet and take the bullet off it's target? If this effect actually occurred, then why can't a helicopter just fly up and hover over one spot on the earth, and watch the earth "spin" beneath it (at ~1000 mph as claimed), and then the helicopter could be hundreds of miles away on the earth after just hovering for a few minutes?

5. Ships do not "sail over the curve". I posted video evidence of this in the thread...the boats only disappear due to optical effects (on the flat surface of water) -- namely the effect of superior mirages. Also, the angle of resolution of the human eye makes things disappear from view the further they go away. I posted videos where if you zoom in with a camera on a boat that has supposedly "sailed over the curve", that boat will reappear after zooming in with the camera.

6. The reason you can't see England from standing on the shore of the east coast of the USA is not because the earth is curved. It is because the atmosphere (air) puts limits on how far you can see --- such as how you can see further from a tall mountain on a clear day, vs a foggy or misty/cloudy day. To the contrary of your claims, there are hundreds of examples of people documenting how they can see much FARTHER than should be possible if the earth were a globe with a circumference of ~25,000 miles. I posted video, for example, in the thread of photographs of viewing the skyline of Chicago from ~60 miles away across Lake Michigan on the shore -- which would be impossible if the earth was a "globe".
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You can't be a "true" Christian and believe in inerancy. There is no commandant to go forth and be stupid.
I like the athletic type
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I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations


GENE SLOVERS
US NAVY PAGES

USN RANGE TABLES


"Uncorrected observed ranges are recorded and averaged for each angle of elevation. These ranges are then
corrected for errors due to: (1) the height of the gun above tide level, (2) the curvature of the earth, (3) jump,
and (4) rotation of the earth."

https://eugeneleeslover.com/USN-GUNS-AND-RANGE-TABLES/USN-RANGE-TABLES.html
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Pacfanweb said:

I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations




Evidently being open minded means put your fingers in your ears and yell what you believe louder.
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Steve Videtich said:

Pacfanweb said:

I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations




Evidently being open minded means put your fingers in your ears and yell what you believe louder.


That's exactly what people like him do. He just restated all that incorrect stuff that's been proven wrong many times. He keeps putting it up there like it's true and it's been refuted by actual scientists that actually know what they're talking about unlike the flat-earth idiots.

And no matter how much data you put up there to prove him wrong, he sticks his fingers in the years and goes "nyah nyah I don't hear you" or " you can't believe any of that because the government said it"... even though the government is just repeating what independent scientists have said for years before there ever even was a government.

Then accuses others of not being open-minded, lol. You know....The people who actually bring facts and data to the discussion?
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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-056.php

The Correction for Coriolis Effect
The computer needs to know where True North is with relation to the ship's heading.

This information is necessary because of a naturally occurring thing called Coriolis Force.

Coriolis Force is an apparent force that as a result of the earth's rotation, deflects moving objects, (as projectiles or air currents), to the right in the northern hemisphere and to the left in the southern hemisphere.

The computer does not correct for Coriolis Force, but rather for Coriolis Effect.

Coriolis Effect is the apparent deflection of a moving object that is the result of the Coriolis Force.

The weight of the projectile and its speed must be known to correct for this effect.

The computer must also know the ship's latitude. This is because at different latitudes, the effect from Coriolis Force is different.

The direction the projectile is fired in with relation to True North must also be known. This is because firing at or in different bearing directions with relation to True North the Coriolis Effect is different.
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I know it's entertaining to engage this poster, but dayum.
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Pacfanweb said:

Steve Videtich said:

Pacfanweb said:

I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations




Evidently being open minded means put your fingers in your ears and yell what you believe louder.


That's exactly what people like him do. He just restated all that incorrect stuff that's been proven wrong many times. He keeps putting it up there like it's true and it's been refuted by actual scientists that actually know what they're talking about unlike the flat-earth idiots.

And no matter how much data you put up there to prove him wrong, he sticks his fingers in the years and goes "nyah nyah I don't hear you" or " you can't believe any of that because the government said it"... even though the government is just repeating what independent scientists have said for years before there ever even was a government.

Then accuses others of not being open-minded, lol. You know....The people who actually bring facts and data to the discussion?
Where have I directly "accused" any poster here of "not being open-minded"? I haven't. Not in this thread. Not ever on this board. You are just putting words in my mouth, and then shooting down the strawman you created. What I was saying, in general, is that there are people out there (in society at large) who have not seriously considered the arguments of so-called "conspiracy theorists". But I did not directly accuse any poster here of being "close-minded" or any such thing.

And then you falsely accuse me of "ignoring" your arguments. When nothing could be further from the truth. I just typed out a long post around lunch time today directly addressing virtually every argument you had made in a previous post -- providing my own facts and evidence.

If anyone is going around "accusing" people of things, it's you. It's you making false statements about what I'm doing. It's you repeatedly calling me an "idiot" in this thread. And isn't it against the board rules to engage in that sort of behavior, and berate other users?

Yes, we can all see who is trying to have a real, rational and civil discourse here. Unlike others who blatantly lie and make false allegations about other users, and childishly call them "idiots" as if that is a valid argument.
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Steve Videtich said:

Pacfanweb said:

I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations




Evidently being open minded means put your fingers in your ears and yell what you believe louder.
What are you saying -- that I can't even stand by my own viewpoint, and respond with my own arguments and evidence?

Being "open-minded" doesn't mean surrendering my position, and ceding the argument to the other person. I did consider his arguments. I had to do that in order to respond to his arguments. I had to actually read what he said, and think through his argument sufficiently in order to formulate a response.

I have considered his argument. I just don't agree.
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19
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GuerrillaPack said:

Steve Videtich said:

Pacfanweb said:

I guess I imagined reading US Navy documents that specifically state that the Earth's curvature and rotation are accounted for in their artillery aiming calculations




Evidently being open minded means put your fingers in your ears and yell what you believe louder.
What are you saying -- that I can't even stand by my own viewpoint, and respond with my own arguments and evidence?

Being "open-minded" doesn't mean surrendering my position, and ceding the argument to the other person. I did consider his arguments. I had to do that in order to respond to his arguments. I had to actually read what he said, and think through his argument sufficiently in order to formulate a response.

I have considered his argument. I just don't agree.


Being open minded is listening, discussing and drawing conclusions from that. It's not constantly telling everybody that they're wrong and your right over and over and over. I don't have a problem with your beliefs, just claiming to be open minded.
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brickturner said:

I know it's entertaining to engage this poster, but dayum.
Yeah, didn't mean to post all that. Tried to copy/paste the pertinent part but I was on my phone and it refused. Going to chop it down to the relevant part now.
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