Pacfanweb said:
And every bit of "evidence" you gave is wrong. All of it. Been refuted with ease.
But you say you're "open minded and rational" about it? LOL
There's not a "we're being lied to" about the universe. Religion is probably a lie, for the most part...made up by the smart people of the time to soothe the questions of the dumber ones.
But nobody is lying about the earth being round....there's no reason for it. We have the pictures, we have the video, and every shred of anything science-related backs it up. There's not reason whatsoever for anyone to lie about the earth really being flat. None. Plus, all the people who would have to be in on this, could not possibly keep such a secret. It's impossible.
You can see the curvature from planes. Thousands of people have. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.
The astronauts on the moon watched the earth rotate. They orbited the earth. Stationary satellites watch the earth rotate constantly.
Naval gunnery computers have calculations for the earth's rotation built in...down to which way you're shooting: Towards the rotation or with it. And this is from over 70 years ago that those computers were built.
You can easily prove it by simply watching a ship sail out of sight. Or put a drop of water on the table and see how it's curved, then realize that the ocean is the same thing, just a LOT bigger.
If the earth was flat, you could see for farther than you can. But you can see the moon, sun and stars just fine, and they are a LOT farther away than the earth is round...but they're straight up in the sky and the curvature doesn't come into play when the moon or sun is right above you. If the earth was flat, you could see from Florida to Cuba, since it's only 90 miles or so...but you can't.
You can see the ISS when it flies overhead. It's 254 miles up. You can see it with the naked eye, but you can't see 254 miles away on earth even if you climb up 100 feet. Because of the curvature.
Bottom line is, yeah...there are idiots who actually believe it. And they are just that: Idiots. To be mocked and ridiculed anytime they bring such idiocy up.
They probably claim to understand women, too.
So you want to re-hash every argument for the globe earth theory vs the flat earth reality? I already addressed basically every point you made in that thread:
https://insidepacksports.com/forums/4/topics/150901. There is a MASSIVE motive for the Establishment to be lying about the nature of the universe. I went into depth in discussing this on the first post on the flat earth thread. The motive is that the Establishment (via the "orthodox" pseudo-science field) is hell-bent on promoting an atheistic world view. And what do you know?...you alluded to this agenda in your post above right after questioning "what is the motive", with your attack on religion. I guess you couldn't help yourself there, to reveal the truth. The Establishment has concocted many gigantic lies under the guise of "science" to promote atheism and attack God and the Bible -- including the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, etc.
And the heliocentric theory and the theory of a globe earth were among the first attacks by these pseudo-scientists on the Bible. Why? Because the Bible explicitly states (over and over, with numerous passages) that the earth is fixed and immovable, and that it is flat. According to God, according to the Bible....the earth is NOT MOVING. It is not "flying around the sun", per the heliocentric theory.
So let me reiterate. If anyone is a true Christian who believes in the inerrancy of God's Word -- then they must believe what the Bible plainly says -- ie, that the earth is fixed and not moving, and that it is flat.
2. You cannot see curvature of the earth from planes. What you could see is a distortion of the image after viewing the earth through the curved (fish-eye) lens of the curved window of the plane. To the contrary, no matter how high you go up above the earth in a plane, the horizon always is flat and stays at the level of your eye. If the earth was "curved", then when you rise in altitude, the horizon should drop down (relative to your eye level).
3. Astronauts absolutely have not seen the earth rotate. As I detailed in the thread, NASA is a gigantic fraud. The supposed "moon landings" are a gigantic hoax. There is not one genuine photograph from NASA showing a "globe" earth. Not one. The ones that have been presented are admitted to be photo-shopped "composites".
4. The claim of guns having to be calibrated for the spin of the earth is preposterous. Are you telling us that if a bullet fired from a gun, hypothetically, were to travel at a super-slow speed (say ~1 mph) then the earth would "spin" beneath the bullet and take the bullet off it's target? If this effect actually occurred, then why can't a helicopter just fly up and hover over one spot on the earth, and watch the earth "spin" beneath it (at ~1000 mph as claimed), and then the helicopter could be hundreds of miles away on the earth after just hovering for a few minutes?
5. Ships do not "sail over the curve". I posted video evidence of this in the thread...the boats only disappear due to optical effects (on the flat surface of water) -- namely the effect of superior mirages. Also, the angle of resolution of the human eye makes things disappear from view the further they go away. I posted videos where if you zoom in with a camera on a boat that has supposedly "sailed over the curve", that boat will reappear after zooming in with the camera.
6. The reason you can't see England from standing on the shore of the east coast of the USA is not because the earth is curved. It is because the atmosphere (air) puts limits on how far you can see --- such as how you can see further from a tall mountain on a clear day, vs a foggy or misty/cloudy day. To the contrary of your claims, there are hundreds of examples of people documenting how they can see much FARTHER than should be possible if the earth were a globe with a circumference of ~25,000 miles. I posted video, for example, in the thread of photographs of viewing the skyline of Chicago from ~60 miles away across Lake Michigan on the shore -- which would be impossible if the earth was a "globe".
"Ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." - John 15:19