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ncsualum05 said:

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Guerilla I haven't checked your links out but I believe as Christians we will not be "slipped" the mark of the beast through a backways scheme. The mark of the beast will be obvious and it will be in the tribulation end times as the Antichrist rules over the world. Our Lord Jesus who saves and redeems us will rapture his church from earth before that time has begun. Believers will be spared the worst of the end times. That doesn't mean there won't be a lot of really bad times and suffering leading up to the tribulation. God has an ultimate plan to bring Israel back into the fold and the tribulation will be the Jews last great suffering but also their great spiritual awakening and ultimate redemption.

I really don't want to get into with you because I know you're pretty hardcore about your beliefs. But I just want to point out that while I agree COVID has been used by world leaders in an attempt to gain control I don't believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast. Could COVID events around the world be one of the "sorrows" and "birth pangs" Jesus describes leading up the world getting worse and worse... absolutely and probably is. We just don't know though... it could start next week, 100 years from now, 1000 years from now. The Lord said no human or angel shall know the hour. What we do know is that a lot of the pieces required to be in place in the prophecies are now in place such as the nation of Israel, global travel, streaming TV on your phone, etc.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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ncsualum05 said:

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Guerilla I haven't checked your links out but I believe as Christians we will not be "slipped" the mark of the beast through a backways scheme. The mark of the beast will be obvious and it will be in the tribulation end times as the Antichrist rules over the world. Our Lord Jesus who saves and redeems us will rapture his church from earth before that time has begun. Believers will be spared the worst of the end times. That doesn't mean there won't be a lot of really bad times and suffering leading up to the tribulation. God has an ultimate plan to bring Israel back into the fold and the tribulation will be the Jews last great suffering but also their great spiritual awakening and ultimate redemption.

I really don't want to get into with you because I know you're pretty hardcore about your beliefs. But I just want to point out that while I agree COVID has been used by world leaders in an attempt to gain control I don't believe the vaccine is the mark of the beast. Could COVID events around the world be one of the "sorrows" and "birth pangs" Jesus describes leading up the world getting worse and worse... absolutely and probably is. We just don't know though... it could start next week, 100 years from now, 1000 years from now. The Lord said no human or angel shall know the hour. What we do know is that a lot of the pieces required to be in place in the prophecies are now in place such as the nation of Israel, global travel, streaming TV on your phone, etc.

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I'm not saying the the vaccine itself is the mark of the Beast. I'm saying that mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports are a precursor of it, or step in that direction - setting the stage for it in the future.

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metcalfmafia said:

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Can you provide your reasoning for why flat earth is the biblical cosmology?

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hokiewolf said:

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I just don't believe in these world wide conspiracy theories. What I think is more likely is a combination of either bad safety protocols or poor training that led to the virus getting out to the public.

China has such a huge credit problem right now I'm not sure they are in any position to do all the nefarious things that they are alleged to be doing with any real weight / money behind them. I think you're going to see a Soviet Union like collapse eventually

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm sorry. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I simply cannot get on board with the world being flat. No disrespect intended. Beyond that, our entire world seems to be in a mess right now. That people may be required to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is terrifying to me. Our leaders have to put an end to this madness. I'm afraid we're going down a predictable path. The number of people willing to be vaccinated is dropping drastically. I think there will be a pleading phase followed by a bargaining phase followed by a threatening phase from the powers that be.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm sorry. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I simply cannot get on board with the world being flat. No disrespect intended. Beyond that, our entire world seems to be in a mess right now. That people may be required to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is terrifying to me. Our leaders have to put an end to this madness. I'm afraid we're going down a predictable path. The number of people willing to be vaccinated is dropping drastically. I think there will be a pleading phase followed by a bargaining phase followed by a threatening phase from the powers that be.

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Steve, I totally agree about the vaccines. They will slowly turn up the pressure. First it will be vaccines being required for some colleges, and to attend some sporting and entertainment events, and to fly on airlines. It's already being required to travel to certain foreign countries. Then after a short time, it will gain momentum, and many state governors may issue executive orders requiring you to be injected in order to go to restaurants, go to your job, and basically go anywhere outside your own home.

If you would have asked me 5 or 6 years ago, I would have said that the idea of the world being flat was crazy too. All I can say is that everyone needs to do their own research - which is the case for any subject. But, aside from just that issue, the unfortunate reality is that we are being lied to and defrauded on a massive scale on so many things, and it is all connected to a worldwide agenda to deceive, oppress and enslave humanity and promote an anti-Christ(ian) agenda. Many people dismiss this...but those who believe the Bible should not be surprised, as we should know that there is, in fact, and ongoing Satanic conspiracy to bring in worldwide tyranny - notably, as discussed in the book of Revelation, concerning a one world government and the "mark of the Beast" system.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Folks, you need to be looking at the press. BBW talks about them and he's right... the information warfare is amazing. Front page of The NY Times, today,has an article calling out southern evangelicals as a major threat to society.

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hokiewolf said:

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I just don't believe in these world wide conspiracy theories. What I think is more likely is a combination of either bad safety protocols or poor training that led to the virus getting out to the public.

China has such a huge credit problem right now I'm not sure they are in any position to do all the nefarious things that they are alleged to be doing with any real weight / money behind them. I think you're going to see a Soviet Union like collapse eventually

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm sorry. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I simply cannot get on board with the world being flat. No disrespect intended. Beyond that, our entire world seems to be in a mess right now. That people may be required to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is terrifying to me. Our leaders have to put an end to this madness. I'm afraid we're going down a predictable path. The number of people willing to be vaccinated is dropping drastically. I think there will be a pleading phase followed by a bargaining phase followed by a threatening phase from the powers that be.

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm sorry. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I simply cannot get on board with the world being flat. No disrespect intended. Beyond that, our entire world seems to be in a mess right now. That people may be required to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is terrifying to me. Our leaders have to put an end to this madness. I'm afraid we're going down a predictable path. The number of people willing to be vaccinated is dropping drastically. I think there will be a pleading phase followed by a bargaining phase followed by a threatening phase from the powers that be.

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Steve, I totally agree about the vaccines. They will slowly turn up the pressure. First it will be vaccines being required for some colleges, and to attend some sporting and entertainment events, and to fly on airlines. It's already being required to travel to certain foreign countries. Then after a short time, it will gain momentum, and many state governors may issue executive orders requiring you to be injected in order to go to restaurants, go to your job, and basically go anywhere outside your own home.

If you would have asked me 5 or 6 years ago, I would have said that the idea of the world being flat was crazy too. All I can say is that everyone needs to do their own research - which is the case for any subject. But, aside from just that issue, the unfortunate reality is that we are being lied to and defrauded on a massive scale on so many things, and it is all connected to a worldwide agenda to deceive, oppress and enslave humanity and promote an anti-Christ(ian) agenda. Many people dismiss this...but those who believe the Bible should not be surprised, as we should know that there is, in fact, and ongoing Satanic conspiracy to bring in worldwide tyranny - notably, as discussed in the book of Revelation, concerning a one world government and the "mark of the Beast" system.

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GP, Steve-

I could easily see a conditional vaccination protocol in certain situations where you are either vaccinated or are required to wear a mask, similar to vaccination policies for hospital staff during flu season. I'm not saying this is good or bad but I don't find it highly unreasonable.

I think some people think of trust in government wrong. I don't trust that elected officials will behave because their interests are selfless or perfectly aligned with ours; I think they'll not do crazy **** out of their own pure self-interest.

They'll be out of a job and lose the power they crave if they act like loons.

As far as world domination conspiracy theories they'd require the complicity and secrecy and bad actions of too many people to pull off.

As far as world being anti-Christian, what is that based on? Christianity is not some niche religion, it's the most-practiced religion in the world. That said, with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and also other small but significant religions also being practiced around the world in collectively large numbers I wouldn't expect Christianity to receive preferential treatment disproportionate to its small plurality in the world religious landscape.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Folks, you need to be looking at the press. BBW talks about them and he's right... the information warfare is amazing. Front page of The NY Times, today,has an article calling out southern evangelicals as a major threat to society.

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Hey Cary are you referring to this article or another?

Faith, Freedom, Fear: Rural America's Covid Vaccine Skeptics

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Folks, you need to be looking at the press. BBW talks about them and he's right... the information warfare is amazing. Front page of The NY Times, today,has an article calling out southern evangelicals as a major threat to society.

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Hey Cary are you referring to this article or another?

Faith, Freedom, Fear: Rural America's Covid Vaccine Skeptics

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Yes, that's the one... look at the signaling. A small town preacher with "two" people in his congregation. What message do you think that's sending?

I can go on...

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm just spitballing here but maybe the hesitancy comes from the fact that they feel this is media/politically-driven theater and don't want to play along.

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Folks, you need to be looking at the press. BBW talks about them and he's right... the information warfare is amazing. Front page of The NY Times, today,has an article calling out southern evangelicals as a major threat to society.

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Hey Cary are you referring to this article or another?

Faith, Freedom, Fear: Rural America's Covid Vaccine Skeptics

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Yes, that's the one... look at the signaling. A small town preacher with "two" people in his congregation. What message do you think that's sending?

I can go on...

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Signaling about what?

The article is clearly not a broad hit piece on evangelicals.

It's focused on rural eastern Tennessee's vaccine hesitancy and the many social, political, and religious influences that contribute.

The focus on rural eastern TN isn't random though, it's an understandable sample community to look at when analyzing vaccine hesitancy. Hesitancy is more pronounced for evangelicals than any other Christian subset, and also breaks along the party, income, and education lines present in rural eastern TN.

Figuring out what the hesitancy is in those groups is necessary if we're going to keep advancing towards herd immunity.

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Mormad said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm just spitballing here but maybe the hesitancy comes from the fact that they feel this is media/politically-driven theater and don't want to play along.

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While you are correct, that is perhaps the most unintelligent reason to personally choose against vaccination imho

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Mormad said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm just spitballing here but maybe the hesitancy comes from the fact that they feel this is media/politically-driven theater and don't want to play along.

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While you are correct, that is perhaps the most unintelligent reason to personally choose against vaccination imho

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We all know that the "vaccine hesitant" believe covid19/vaccine is media/politically-driven.

We all saw politicians and major media figures tell their followers that it is media/politically-driven. And they all believed it hook line and sinker.

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packgrad said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Mormad said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm just spitballing here but maybe the hesitancy comes from the fact that they feel this is media/politically-driven theater and don't want to play along.

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While you are correct, that is perhaps the most unintelligent reason to personally choose against vaccination imho

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We all know that the "vaccine hesitant" believe covid19/vaccine is media/politically-driven.

We all saw politicians and major media figures tell their followers that it is media/politically-driven. And they all believed it hook line and sinker.

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It is media politically driven. Look at our idiot president wearing a mask on a zoom call or walking outside with his wife, both vaccinated. You sheep are fine with it being politically driven. Hell y'all make it that way now not opening everything up. Blind sheep because you want to own the pubs. Science, lol.

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packgrad said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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packgrad said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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Mormad said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm just spitballing here but maybe the hesitancy comes from the fact that they feel this is media/politically-driven theater and don't want to play along.

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While you are correct, that is perhaps the most unintelligent reason to personally choose against vaccination imho

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We all know that the "vaccine hesitant" believe covid19/vaccine is media/politically-driven.

We all saw politicians and major media figures tell their followers that it is media/politically-driven. And they all believed it hook line and sinker.

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It is media politically driven. Look at our idiot president wearing a mask on a zoom call or walking outside with his wife, both vaccinated. You sheep are fine with it being politically driven. Hell y'all make it that way now not opening everything up. Blind sheep because you want to own the pubs. Science, lol.

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It obvious the sheep are the "vaccine hesitant" at this point. Ignoring all good advice because Tucker said "blah, blah, blah." Covid is FAKE NEWS!?! Required vaccines?!? Microchips!

All the people telling you the covid was media/politically driven have gotten vaccinated themselves! That should tell you all you need to know, but here we are.

Does Biden model good behavior even though its not necessary, yes. Is wearing a mask more than you need to a bad thing, no.

If you'd stop looking for the minimum effort/discomfort on everything, we'd all be in a better place.

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It's obvious the sheep are those calling someone vaccine hesitant "sheep". Not even considering a different perspective is cultish. Biden is a buffoon. He's not modeling good behavior. He's virtue signaling. But you're a sheep so you do as your told and say it's good behavior. If liberals would stop being virtue signaling ******rs, people might consider listening to them.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Steve Williams said:

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I'm sorry. I respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I simply cannot get on board with the world being flat. No disrespect intended. Beyond that, our entire world seems to be in a mess right now. That people may be required to show a vaccine passport to participate in society is terrifying to me. Our leaders have to put an end to this madness. I'm afraid we're going down a predictable path. The number of people willing to be vaccinated is dropping drastically. I think there will be a pleading phase followed by a bargaining phase followed by a threatening phase from the powers that be.

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Steve, I totally agree about the vaccines. They will slowly turn up the pressure. First it will be vaccines being required for some colleges, and to attend some sporting and entertainment events, and to fly on airlines. It's already being required to travel to certain foreign countries. Then after a short time, it will gain momentum, and many state governors may issue executive orders requiring you to be injected in order to go to restaurants, go to your job, and basically go anywhere outside your own home.

If you would have asked me 5 or 6 years ago, I would have said that the idea of the world being flat was crazy too. All I can say is that everyone needs to do their own research - which is the case for any subject. But, aside from just that issue, the unfortunate reality is that we are being lied to and defrauded on a massive scale on so many things, and it is all connected to a worldwide agenda to deceive, oppress and enslave humanity and promote an anti-Christ(ian) agenda. Many people dismiss this...but those who believe the Bible should not be surprised, as we should know that there is, in fact, and ongoing Satanic conspiracy to bring in worldwide tyranny - notably, as discussed in the book of Revelation, concerning a one world government and the "mark of the Beast" system.

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GP, Steve-

I could easily see a conditional vaccination protocol in certain situations where you are either vaccinated or are required to wear a mask, similar to vaccination policies for hospital staff during flu season. I'm not saying this is good or bad but I don't find it highly unreasonable.

I think some people think of trust in government wrong. I don't trust that elected officials will behave because their interests are selfless or perfectly aligned with ours; I think they'll not do crazy **** out of their own pure self-interest.

They'll be out of a job and lose the power they crave if they act like loons.

As far as world domination conspiracy theories they'd require the complicity and secrecy and bad actions of too many people to pull off.

As far as world being anti-Christian, what is that based on? Christianity is not some niche religion, it's the most-practiced religion in the world. That said, with Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and also other small but significant religions also being practiced around the world in collectively large numbers I wouldn't expect Christianity to receive preferential treatment disproportionate to its small plurality in the world religious landscape.

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Just because a lot of people would need to be involved in a conspiracy (covering up the truth, keeping silent, otherwise complicit), does not mean that it is "impossible" for these conspiracies to exist. Look, for example, at the JFK assassination. It is blatantly obvious that the "official" story is a pile of BS. Even just doing a little bit of investigation, it is apparent that Kennedy was shot from his front (with one bullet impact causing his head to move to the back and left, and blowing off a chunk of the back of his skull). And if you do more investigation into the assassination, you will discover many eyewitnesses who saw and heard shots come from the area of the "grassy knoll". Many other eyewitnesses who "knew too much" were intimidated into silence or died under suspicious circumstances.

And yet virtually all levels of government, and all of the press/media have lied to the public for almost 60 years about the JFK assassination, covering up the truth. The fact that there are literally thousands of people complicit in the cover-up doesn't make this conspiracy "impossible". It has happened. Yet, despite that, there are always whistle-blowers and the truth eventually gets out. The only problem is that the truth is suppressed, and not broadcast via the "mainstream" press and media, and other Establishment channels. And then the Establishment ridicules people who expose the truth, with name-calling -- eg, calling them "crazy", slapping the label "conspiracy theorists" on them, etc.

It's the same pattern with various other REAL conspiracies -- such as the "New World Order" conspiracy and this drive towards a tyrannical one-world government system. This is actually happening. The United Nations, for example, is a big step towards such a one-world government. And we see, for example, with the European Union another incremental step towards this, with the erosion of national sovereignty and borders and uniting nations into a larger regional government. Or, for example, look at Marxism/communism. This is an "open" conspiracy. It is a nefarious/malevolent agenda that has advanced for over 150 years, taking over various nations, using all forms of deception, fraud, terrorism, and other criminal means. Hundreds of thousands or millions of people have been involved in advancing the communist conspiracy. Does that mean it was "impossible" to do it, and that this communist agenda/conspiracy, therefore, "can't possibly exist"? Of course not. This Marxist/communist conspiracy is very real. And it is the main political vehicle being used currently to bring in the NWO agenda -- with virtually all Western nations, including the United States, being incrementally changed via socialism and conquered for the Marxist agenda.

As for this Marxist/NWO agenda being anti-Christian, that is noteworthy to Christian believers since we know that the God of the Bible (the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) is the one and only true God. And this Satanic agenda for a "New World Order" is primarily characterized as being hostile to Christianity, because Satan and His minions are enemies of God and are trying to implement this world tyranny as a direct attack on God and His people. This is why virtually everything promoted by the Establishment (Hollywood, Establishment media, Marxist/Leftist governments) is an attack on Biblical/Christian values -- eg, Hollywood and Establishment media promotion of abortion, homosexuality, transgender agenda, sexual promiscuity, witchcraft (eg, Harry Potter and all the witches in the Disney movies, etc), theory of evolution and atheism, etc.

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