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Werewolf
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As I've said to you before, many of you are simply so far down the totem pole to receive any harsh punishment. I don't think you understand these jabs yet you're willing to not buck the system and ask any real hard questions. Big Pharma, Big Govt, Big Media..........all places entirely too much power in the hands of a few.......and we see the results. You and others in the medical field blindly follow along because Big Pharma controls hospitals, medical boards and most research in this country. It's much easier to remain quiet........certainly hoping no harm comes........but unwilling to question what's been underway for two years now.

Like Germans in the late 30's and early 40's, many people stood by idly has those trains left or passed through their towns.

You get to choose, how long do you and others in your profession stand idly by .....following the Fauci plan, the Moderna plan, the Pfizer plan, the CDC plan, etc. At what time do you quit making excuses? That's what I've seen you do here.
Mormad
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Werewolf said:

As I've said to you before, many of you are simply so far down the totem pole to receive any harsh punishment. I don't think you understand these jabs yet you're willing to not buck the system and ask any real hard questions. Big Pharma, Big Govt, Big Media..........all places entirely too much power in the hands of a few.......and we see the results. You and others in the medical field blindly follow along because Big Pharma controls hospitals, medical boards and most research in this country. It's much easier to remain quiet........certainly hoping no harm comes........but unwilling to question what's been underway for two years now.

Like Germans in the late 30's and early 40's, many people stood by idly has those trains left or passed through their towns.

You get to choose, how long do you and others in your profession stand idly by .....following the Fauci plan, the Moderna plan, the Pfizer plan, the CDC plan, etc. At what time do you quit making excuses? That's what I've seen you do here.


Oh ok. I'll continue my excuses then since it's really not your place to judge what I do and don't understand or what you think I'm blinded to. But that doesn't answer the question does it? Peter is not so far down the totem pole of the heroes to avoid such exposure to harsh punishment. So would he be judged differently in the scenario provided?
Oldsouljer
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Mormad said:

The Peter argument makes me think of Robert Duvall's drawing in The Natural. Peter is Roy Hobbs. He's either going to strike out and be the goat or hit a homer.
I'd rather be either than be referred to as "The Whammer."
Mormad
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Oldsouljer said:

Mormad said:

The Peter argument makes me think of Robert Duvall's drawing in The Natural. Peter is Roy Hobbs. He's either going to strike out and be the goat or hit a homer.
I'd rather be either than be referred to as "The Whammer."


True dat.
Werewolf
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TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Daviewolf83 said:

See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.


The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.
Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.
Seriously, you're not good at this.
i knew you'd be hovering around to get a jab in. :-)
TheStorm
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Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Daviewolf83 said:

See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.


The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.
Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.
Seriously, you're not good at this.
i knew you'd be hovering around to get a jab in. :-)
If you'd just remember that I don't really give a **** about 99.9% of what you post here, it'd be pretty easy for you to realize that I wasn't referring to you...
Mormad
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TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Daviewolf83 said:

See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.


The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.
Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.
Seriously, you're not good at this.
i knew you'd be hovering around to get a jab in. :-)
If you'd just remember that I don't really give a **** about 99.9% of what you post here, it'd be pretty easy for you to realize that I wasn't referring to you...


Well there is the goal. I just need to be more like you, my friend.

(BTW, hope you're recovering well)
TheStorm
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Mormad said:


Well there is the goal. I just need to be more like you, my friend.

(BTW, hope you're recovering well)
I am / have, Mormad... thanks for getting me hooked up down here with your professional connections... couldn't have gone better! *those eight (8) covid shots, really did the trick...
Mormad
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Hahaha, good!! I knew it would take that many!
Werewolf
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TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Werewolf said:

TheStorm said:

Daviewolf83 said:

See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.


The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.
Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.
Seriously, you're not good at this.
i knew you'd be hovering around to get a jab in. :-)
If you'd just remember that I don't really give a **** about 99.9% of what you post here, it'd be pretty easy for you to realize that I wasn't referring to you...
Good! Ignore works.....just remember you might miss some real news.
Werewolf
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TheStorm said:

Mormad said:


Well there is the goal. I just need to be more like you, my friend.

(BTW, hope you're recovering well)
I am / have, Mormad... thanks for getting me hooked up down here with your professional connections... couldn't have gone better! *those eight (8) covid shots, really did the trick...
You need 9 :-)
Werewolf
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Text from above URL

The War on The Unvaccinated Was Lost

15 Jun 2022

An opinion piece from a vaccinated Australian writer:

"If COVID was a battlefield it would still be warm with the bodies of the unvaccinated.

Thankfully the mandates are letting up and both sides of the war stumble back to the new normal.

The unvaccinated are the heroes of the last two years as they allowed us all to have a control group in the great experiment and highlight the shortcoming of the COVID vaccines.

The unvaccinated carry many battle scars and injuries as they are the people we tried to mentally break, yet no one wants to talk about what we did to them and what they forced "The Science" to unveil.

We knew that the waning immunity of the fully vaccinated had the same risk profile as others within society as the minority of the unvaccinated,
yet we marked them for special persecution.

You see we said they had not "done the right thing for the greater good" by handing their bodies and medical autonomy over to the State.

Many of the so-called health experts and political leaders in Australia admitted the goal was to make life almost unlivable for the unvaccinated,

which was multiplied many times by the collective mob, with the fight taken into workplaces, friendships, and family gatherings.

Today the hard truth is none of it was justified as we took a quick slide from righteousness to absolute cruelty.

We might lay the blame on our leaders and health experts for the push but each individual within society must be held accountable for stepping into the well-laid-out trap.

We did this despite knowing full well that principled opposition is priceless when it comes to what goes inside our bodies and we let ourselves be tricked into believing that going into another ineffective lockdown would be the fault of the unvaccinated and not the fault of the toxic policy of ineffective vaccines.

We took pleasure in scapegoating the unvaccinated because after months of engineered lockdowns by political leaders blinded by power, having someone to blame and to burn at the stake felt good.

We believed we had logic, love, and truth on our side so it was easy to wish death upon the unvaccinated.

Those of us who ridiculed and mocked the non-compliant did it because we were embarrassed by their courage and principles and didn't think the unvaccinated would make it through unbroken and we turned the holdouts into punching bags.

Lambie, Carr, Chant, Andrews, McGowan, Gunner, and the other cast of hundreds in prominent roles need to be held to account for vilifying the unvaccinated in public and fueling angry social media mobs.

The mobs, the mask Nazis, and the vaccine disciples have been embarrassed by "betting against" the unvaccinated because mandates only had the power we gave them.

It was not compliance that ended domination by Big Pharma Companies, Bill Gates and his many organizations, and the World Economic Forum…

It was THANKS to the people we tried to embarrass, ridicule, mock and tear down.

We should all try and find some inner gratitude for the unvaccinated as we took the bait by hating them because their perseverance and courage bought us the time to see we were wrong.

So if mandates ever return for COVID or any other disease or virus, hopefully, more of us will be awake and see the rising authoritarianism that has no concern for our well-being and is more about power and control.

The War on the Unvaccinated was lost and we should all be very thankful for that."
PackFansXL
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TheStorm said:

Mormad said:


Well there is the goal. I just need to be more like you, my friend.

(BTW, hope you're recovering well)
I am / have, Mormad... thanks for getting me hooked up down here with your professional connections... couldn't have gone better! *those eight (8) covid shots, really did the trick...
The new Brady Bunch.
This would make a nice meme with Fauci and Walensky and their little 8 jabs.

Till the one day when the lady met this fellow
And they knew it was much more than a hunch,
That this group would somehow form a family.
That's the way we all became the Fauci Bunch.
Werewolf
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CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signed off on Pfizer, Moderna mRNA shots for children as young as 6 months.

First injections are expected next week in the US.

TheStorm
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No seriously, Mormad hooked me up with a recommendation for medical services down here at the coast with another group in his direct field of expertise - and I am forever greatful for that. In fact, if he hadn't of been 3+ hours away from me, I can promise you that I would have gone straight to him. Without hesitation. Pretty sure that he's detailed here before what exactly it is he does for a living, but I'm going to be respectful of his privacy and just leave it at that.

The covid shots comment was a clear joke, and he knew that immediately. Hopefully you did also.
Mormad
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Thanks, Storm
Oldsouljer
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Werewolf said:


CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signed off on Pfizer, Moderna mRNA shots for children as young as 6 months.

First injections are expected next week in the US.


I can see why Fauci enthusiastically backed her for the position.
Mormad
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Oldsouljer said:

Werewolf said:


CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky signed off on Pfizer, Moderna mRNA shots for children as young as 6 months.

First injections are expected next week in the US.


I can see why Fauci enthusiastically backed her for the position.



man, I'm obviously the most pro-vax dude here (less dogmatic than some feel, but I digress) but my wife and I discussed this and we agree that only in VERY SPECIFIC and very rare circumstances would we Vax a 6 month old of ours. And i totally agree with Storm that too many vax for convenience or similarly bad reasons. Luckily, IMHO they are quite safe in the majority of instances, but that doesn't mean it's the correct move. We came up with an age of 10-11 that we'd start considering broadening our indications for vaxxing our own children, which we have done. One had to because she is an athlete at State, the other chose to on her own accord and we supported her. (For background, my sister's kid had Batten so we've spent the last almost 20 yrs researching and supporting gene therapies, viral vectors, mRNA, stem cells, etc as avenues to find cures for Rare Disease, and we've raised hundreds of thousands through our 501c3 to support AAV gene therapy/ viral vector labs at unc and UT southwestern, and my sister now works in the field. So we're modestly knowledgeable about this stuff in kids, though certainly not the experts my sister has become). Again, I'm glad that a small subset of parents will have this choice, but it'll be overused I think (know).
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My <2 year old grandbaby will not be getting vaccinated - at least not any time soon.
Werewolf
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https://doctors4covidethics.org/

Uncensored COVID related info
Oldsouljer
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You know, one of the recently more interesting aspects of all this is the alleged $193 million in royalties paid to 1,800 NIH employees which Rand Paul is looking into. NIH disburses hundreds of millions of dollars in grants, I can only imagine what someone with Fauci's influence and oversight ability get back in return.

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2022/06/video-rand-paul-forces-fauci-to-admit-he-collects-royalty-payments-from-private-companies/#:~:text=USA%20%20Sen.%20Rand%20Paul%20v%20Fauci%2027%2C900,you%20later%20oversaw%20money%20going%20to%20that%20company%3F"
Mormad
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It's kind of sickening isn't it
PackFansXL
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Yes, I assumed 8 shots was an embellishment. That just made me want to attempt a somewhat funny jab at the embellishers F & W.
Oldsouljer
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Mormad said:

It's kind of sickening isn't it
Unfortunately, it's been par for the course at NIH. Interesting example, a colleague of mine co-authored a study that revealed that the better part of approximately 100 published papers done by researchers funded by NIH who were pursuing toxicological studies of bisphenol A, the so-called bad chemical in plastics (BPA), were total crap. My colleague wasn't saying BPA was safe, mind you, just that we'd never know from the rotten experimental designs of these government funded studies. Before my colleague's group could publish a rather scathing report, however, they were told by the NIH higher-ups to water down their somewhat harsh conclusions lest people's reputations be harmed. Whether that would be the reputations of university scientists receiving NIH grants, or in actuality, they were just protecting NIH grants management specialists who were handing taxpayer dollars out the door to people they failed to properly vet, is an open question. But part of the problem is that NIH was letting one of their grants management specialists co-author papers with the same people he was giving $$ to. Huge conflict of interest.
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But part of the problem is that NIH was letting one of their grants management specialists co-author papers with the same people he was giving $$ to. Huge conflict of interest.
Who's job is it to police these broken government entities? Some of these bureaucrats may be our biggest problems with our government. They don't appear to answer to anyone and get to keep safe government jobs without the requirement to be effective or honest. Perhaps we need to shrink the government and simply privatize many government functions.
Oldsouljer
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But part of the problem is that NIH was letting one of their grants management specialists co-author papers with the same people he was giving $$ to. Huge conflict of interest.
Who's job is it to police these broken government entities? Some of these bureaucrats may be our biggest problems with our government. They don't appear to answer to anyone and get to keep safe government jobs without the requirement to be effective or honest. Perhaps we need to shrink the government and simply privatize many government functions.
Well, they were stonewalling a subpoena by then-government oversight committee chairman Jason Chaffetz for information about this and other things. Sadly, Chaffetz is no longer in Congress and as long as the Dems control Congress, these NIH bureaucrats get a pass.
Werewolf
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PackFansXL said:

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But part of the problem is that NIH was letting one of their grants management specialists co-author papers with the same people he was giving $$ to. Huge conflict of interest.
Who's job is it to police these broken government entities? Some of these bureaucrats may be our biggest problems with our government. They don't appear to answer to anyone and get to keep safe government jobs without the requirement to be effective or honest. Perhaps we need to shrink the government and simply privatize many government functions.
Look into the revolving door between our federal govt health agencies and Big Pharma. If you haven't before, you'll be stunned.
Werewolf
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CDC, US Mortality.com, PULS data, TimTruth.com Baseline all cause mortalities over the last several years. ADE, cancer, etc.

https://rumble.com/v18zkkv-genocide-just-starting-us-death-spike-intensifies-mass-die-off-is-accelerat.html

Shocking, compelling, horrifying and comprehensive info..........video is about an hour long. Mortality rates, depopulation quotes, discussions of several researchers regarding dangers the jabs.
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Regarding vaccination, for anyone…

Other than the people with comorbidities, why does anyone think it's necessary to be vaxxed today? I'm reading the above post regarding age (potential) appropriate vaccinations and am not sure I understand.

Aren't we in a position where the disease is not potent enough to kill the majority of all people? This is not a troll; rather, it's me trying to understand the thinking…
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
Mormad
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caryking said:

Regarding vaccination, for anyone…

Other than the people with comorbidities, why does anyone think it's necessary to be vaxxed today? I'm reading the above post regarding age (potential) appropriate vaccinations and am not sure I understand.

Aren't we in a position where the disease is not potent enough to kill the majority of all people? This is not a troll; rather, it's me trying to understand the thinking…


I think we're getting close to that, Cary. As Wayland pointed out, this is a very different dz after 2 yrs of variance and broadening immunity.

I still think vaccines have their place. You mention "other than people with co-morbidities" which I think is very important. What people tend to forget is the large percentage of humans that fall into that category. Many of the co-morbidities are silent killers. We tend to think we're healthier than we actually are. Google the rates of obesity, cancer, acquired or iatrogenic immunologic issues, hypertension, diabetes, copd/asthma, renal disease and you'll see just how many people either fall into one of those boxes or are intimately associated with someone who does, and I think you may see how many could or should at least consider the risks and benefits of vaccinations and boosters and make informed decisions regarding their Healthcare choices.
PackMom
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What Mormad says about the association with people with high risk factors really creates a wide net. For example, as I've mentioned, I have recurrent metastatic cancer, including metastases to my lungs. I'm stable for now. We help care for our grandchildren. One of their other grandparents has lymphoma and occasionally needs help from their own kids. So if I were to get covid, even if I had a mild case, then 1) I would likely have already exposed the grandchildren and their parents, 2) who might have already exposed the other grandparent with lymphoma. 3) We would have to stay away from them, which would create an issue for the parents trying to work. And 4) regardless of any health issues, all of us grandparents are over 65, so we're at risk anyway.

Wayland
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Say the line, Bart.

caryking
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Mormad said:

caryking said:

Regarding vaccination, for anyone…

Other than the people with comorbidities, why does anyone think it's necessary to be vaxxed today? I'm reading the above post regarding age (potential) appropriate vaccinations and am not sure I understand.

Aren't we in a position where the disease is not potent enough to kill the majority of all people? This is not a troll; rather, it's me trying to understand the thinking…


I think we're getting close to that, Cary. As Wayland pointed out, this is a very different dz after 2 yrs of variance and broadening immunity.

I still think vaccines have their place. You mention "other than people with co-morbidities" which I think is very important. What people tend to forget is the large percentage of humans that fall into that category. Many of the co-morbidities are silent killers. We tend to think we're healthier than we actually are. Google the rates of obesity, cancer, acquired or iatrogenic immunologic issues, hypertension, diabetes, copd/asthma, renal disease and you'll see just how many people either fall into one of those boxes or are intimately associated with someone who does, and I think you may see how many could or should at least consider the risks and benefits of vaccinations and boosters and make informed decisions regarding their Healthcare choices.


Thanks! I agree the net is probably wider than most people think, regarding morbidity.

We started some of this conversation with kids. So, how does affect them? Most of which don't have these morbidity's…
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
Mormad
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The risk/ benefit ratio is different for kids. That's why I feel each family and/ or individual has to make their own honest assessments of risk and benefit of vaccination. Everybody's dynamics are different. Luckily, the disease is fairly benign in kids (some parents don't think a fever of 102.5 for 2 days in their 6 month old is benign I guess), but the vaccine is fairly safe too (as an example, I have detailed rates and the typical clinical course of myocarditis since it's often used in arguments).

Nobody is changing anybody's mind about beliefs regarding benefits of vaccination, so that weighs heavily in decision making whether the decision maker is right or wrong. The benefits for kids as a population have to be less than for the older folks, though. I think we all agree there.

But what do you do if your wife is fighting breast cancer and your 15 yo son is unvaxxed with no known recent infection (especially a year ago)? That's when it gets tough. Easy decision for me. But I understand why many would hesitate. That's why I think information matters, and let's face it, the published data/science/studies on both sides pretty much suck at guiding us. Maybe that's why I feel compelled to post my experiential biases here. Idk.

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Did we know the vax does nothing to stop the spread a year ago? I don't remember. I'd say wife gets vaxxed. Son doesn't.
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