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TheStorm said:

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statefan91 said:

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Wayland - watching the videos, the Doctor appears to be claiming / linking children getting vaccinated with causing them to get COVID. Is that a stance you agree with? It does sound like the data is suspect from the trials but it's hard to uncouple misleading data from Pfizer vs. this doctor appearing to claim the vaccines cause someone to get COVID.

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The last two times that I contracted the flu were the two years in a row that my late mother talked me into trying the flu shot back in the 90's... I heard of plenty of adults on this very same website that developed covid symptoms the days following the vaccine. I'd think that kind of qualifies as "getting it".

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You think COVID vaccines are giving people COVID?

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Of course. Where were you for the last two years? Plenty of people developed covid symptoms for 2-3 days after getting the vaccine. Some longer. Some none (like me).

But I guess experiencing the symptoms directly after receiving the vaccines for some people are entirely unrelated in your opinion?

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statefan91 said:

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You think COVID vaccines are giving people COVID?

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Of course. Where were you for the last two years? Plenty of people developed covid symptoms for 2-3 days after getting the vaccine. Some longer. Some none (like me).

But I guess experiencing the symptoms directly after receiving the vaccines for some people are entirely unrelated in your opinion?

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None of the vaccines have COVID in them. The symptoms are the same for other vaccines where you body is learning how to mount an immune response to something foreign.

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TheStorm said:

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statefan91 said:

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You think COVID vaccines are giving people COVID?

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Of course. Where were you for the last two years? Plenty of people developed covid symptoms for 2-3 days after getting the vaccine. Some longer. Some none (like me).

But I guess experiencing the symptoms directly after receiving the vaccines for some people are entirely unrelated in your opinion?

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None of the vaccines have COVID in them. The symptoms are the same for other vaccines where you body is learning how to mount an immune response to something foreign.

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I guess that explains why the vaccines didn't work on either of the Omicron strains then...

Regarding the discussions of what's in the shot, this lady, Dr Judy Mikovits, a research scientist, has a strong opinion. Highly accomplished, she was jailed, placed under a lengthy gag order, and has since been permanently smeared for coming forward with narratives counter to those of Big-Pharma's.

https://rumble.com/v18l44h-judy-mikovits-shocks-the-world-most-damning-covid-evidence-bombshell-the-wo.html?fbclid=IwAR2gtloyQnS_2lOL_FfSoUoOfSNf5ow0TQe-va6QuyTJ1hEbORjskCo4dQg

When someone is willing to undergo such attacks and hardships, i tend to think they may be credibie. She worked with Fauci many years ago and is "not a fan". She also agrees with Dr Ardis's claim that the jabs have a synthetic peptide which matches those of snake venom.

Just gonna leave this here.....

FDA official Dr. Peter Marks says vaccinated kids have a 5 fold increase of myocarditis. Why on earth are they pushing the COVID vaccine on babies? We still don’t know the long-term safety profile of these vaccines. pic.twitter.com/Ya3jdR3zRl

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) June 16, 2022

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Agendas....

Regardless of what anyone at any level says that is what was the driving factor after the virus was identified. I will die on that hill. It has become obvious after the facts have come out.

It was a horrible virus. It was magnified, politicized by one particular party and all of a sudden, they no longer care.

The party that claims to care about "my body, my choice" has shown they only care about that mantra if it benefits them and their party.

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I agree with you

https://crossroadsreport.substack.com/p/breaking-fifth-largest-life-insurance?s=r

"the highest death rates that have ever been seen in the history of the life insurance business".

More lies I guess

Agree.... 100% you should have a choice.

No way it should have been or will be mandated.

As far as the compromised... they have a different set of circumstances that they have to and need to abide by. But, in my opinion it should be left to the individual as to what they do.

Mormad said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Just gonna leave this here.....

FDA official Dr. Peter Marks says vaccinated kids have a 5 fold increase of myocarditis. Why on earth are they pushing the COVID vaccine on babies? We still don’t know the long-term safety profile of these vaccines. pic.twitter.com/Ya3jdR3zRl

— Senator Ron Johnson (@SenRonJohnson) June 16, 2022

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The risk of myocarditis in that age group is 0.05% with the Vax. It is higher than that with infection. When they do get myocarditis it is overwhelmingly very benign and treated with NSAIDS. For kids at risk of bad outcomes with dz and a 0.05% chance of a benign cardiac inflammation that'll go away with ibuprofen, many parents SHOULD consider the vaxx based on advice from their pediatrician.

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Again with the OR. This isn't an OR scenario anymore (if it ever was). It is an AND scenario.

The VAST majority of children have already had COVID. (The number being estimated in excess of 75%).

We know at this point the vaccine does not prevent infection AND most children have already had COVID.

Have their been extensive studies on post-infection COVID vaccination in children? Since most children HAVE had COVID. How much study has been done on potential elevated risks?

Since most children have already had COVID, why subject them to a vaccine that is meant to target a variant that hasn't been in circulation for over two years? And even those that haven't had COVID are still going to get it post vaccination.

If a tree falls in the woods..... Is there any measurable serious illness prevented from a child who has already had COVID by giving them a 'wild-type' vaccine?

It is a slight of hand to compare the risks of myocarditis from the VACCINE ONLY and from COVID ONLY when that isn't the reality. The reality is VACCINE AND COVID, especially in a post-Omicron world. And the science is not completely settled about where the balance is on both sides... more study is necessary.

Children are typically not at risk from severe COVID complications. This vaccine does not prevent catching COVID.

If we want to do a different set of calculations for immunocompromised children, then let's do that. But as stated in other posts, that isn't the government sales pitch.

But come on, the VRBPAC presentation and data was a joke. This EUA is comical. The standard for drug approval are disgustingly low.

Parents can make their choice, but at least they should know how weak the argument is to actually vax the average kid (who likely has already had AND recovered from COVID).

Agree, certainly plausibly deniable so no assertion made. Autopsies would be required on every singe death for a real assessment.

Merely a coincidence, right?

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Again, my arguments aren't policy related. I'm pretty situational on my Vax feelings and it's usually individually based even among populations of people. Most of what I argue here is counter to the narratives I don't agree with. I think you know that.

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In such, I would counter your statement then of "many parents SHOULD consider the vaxx based on advice from their pediatrician."

Should be: "The vast majority, if not nearly all pediatricians should recommend AGAINST this particular vaxx for children at this time as the vaccines offer no long term protection and the vaccine trial showed no protection against severe outcome for this age group. There may be a small select subset who SHOULD consider."

If they can do a better trial and show actual results, then so be it.

But to broadly recommend these vaccines for children at the present time based on conjecture seems slightly irresponsible and is not a decision rooted in science.

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Werewolf said:

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Agree, certainly plausibly deniable so no assertion made. Autopsies would be required on every singe death for a real assessment.

Merely a coincidence, right?

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I'm not sure which you love more. Plausible deniability or correlation equalling causation.

Why are you asking me anyway? I thought you posted all this stuff for the middle of the roaders.

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I wouldn't have engaged you but you engaged me........so here we are.........just a happy couple :-).

I think the 1st insurance co report for late 2021 came out @ a 20% increase in mortality in the working age group. Statistically, it was presented to be a 200-yr event.......I wonder what the 60% increase would project at?

And yes I do believe a good bit of it is the Jab.........either cardiovascular, ADE and VAIDS.

I did want to get you on record stating whatever it is that you might believe on these life insurance #'s. You've not said.

Alarming New Data Confirms COVID Vaccine Link to Fatal Brain Disorder - America Out Loud

New data indicates that vaccines can produce one of the deadliest diseases known to medicine. The disease is always fatal. The government is NOT working hard to track Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD). It is known as a prion disease.
According to Mayo Clinic, CJD is a degenerative brain disorder that leads to dementia and, ultimately, death. CJD is a rare, deadly disease caused by an abnormal protein in the brain called a prion. Some years ago, a form of this disease was known as mad cow disease. The point is not just about getting this lethal disease, but rather that COVID vaccines that can cause it should be seen as incredibly dangerous in a great many ways.
A recent French preprint on CJD and COVID vaccination has indicated that the COVID vaccine may have contributed to the emergence of a new type of sporadic CJD disease that is a lot more aggressive and rapid in disease progression as compared to the traditional CJD.
The French found within days of receiving a first or second dose of Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines; patients got the disease.

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Alarming New Data Confirms COVID Vaccine Link to Fatal Brain Disorder - America Out Loud

New data indicates that vaccines can produce one of the deadliest diseases known to medicine. The disease is always fatal. The government is NOT working hard to track Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD). It is known as a prion disease.
According to Mayo Clinic, CJD is a degenerative brain disorder that leads to dementia and, ultimately, death. CJD is a rare, deadly disease caused by an abnormal protein in the brain called a prion. Some years ago, a form of this disease was known as mad cow disease. The point is not just about getting this lethal disease, but rather that COVID vaccines that can cause it should be seen as incredibly dangerous in a great many ways.
A recent French preprint on CJD and COVID vaccination has indicated that the COVID vaccine may have contributed to the emergence of a new type of sporadic CJD disease that is a lot more aggressive and rapid in disease progression as compared to the traditional CJD.
The French found within days of receiving a first or second dose of Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines; patients got the disease.

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I thought this would definitely be the one I'd enjoy ripping apart more than any other because it falls squarely in my expertise. But instead I applaud you for this find. I'm skeptical in all honesty that this is more than coincidence, but I have to be honest. This one has piqued my interest and made me want to learn more. Thanks for finding this. I hope I can find more on it.

The single most salient word that should be thrown at these agencies by people is "justification". They make these sweeping announcements, "we have just approved…." and don't think it's important enough to go into equally sweeping rationale for these decisions, and that's what just sends me over the edge.

Mormad said:

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Werewolf said:

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Alarming New Data Confirms COVID Vaccine Link to Fatal Brain Disorder - America Out Loud

New data indicates that vaccines can produce one of the deadliest diseases known to medicine. The disease is always fatal. The government is NOT working hard to track Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD). It is known as a prion disease.
According to Mayo Clinic, CJD is a degenerative brain disorder that leads to dementia and, ultimately, death. CJD is a rare, deadly disease caused by an abnormal protein in the brain called a prion. Some years ago, a form of this disease was known as mad cow disease. The point is not just about getting this lethal disease, but rather that COVID vaccines that can cause it should be seen as incredibly dangerous in a great many ways.
A recent French preprint on CJD and COVID vaccination has indicated that the COVID vaccine may have contributed to the emergence of a new type of sporadic CJD disease that is a lot more aggressive and rapid in disease progression as compared to the traditional CJD.
The French found within days of receiving a first or second dose of Pfizer or Moderna COVID vaccines; patients got the disease.

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I thought this would definitely be the one I'd enjoy ripping apart more than any other because it falls squarely in my expertise. But instead I applaud you for this find. I'm skeptical in all honesty that this is more than coincidence, but I have to be honest. This one has piqued my interest and made me want to learn more. Thanks for finding this. I hope I can find more on it.

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If it's in your wheelhouse, you should have found it long before some civil engineer. Here's why maybe. One of the greatest problems with all that is going on worldwide today is the censorship and false or misleading information. Information counter to the narrative is nearly impossible to find. I find such info readily on telegram.org. Telegram.org is a platform thriving as a result of so many who have been de-platformed on those that are global cabal controlled........nearly all of them.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.

Today, we authorized emergency use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19 to include use in children down to 6 months of age. https://t.co/DFnvVyQ8n6 pic.twitter.com/mXuN3oqZaa

— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) June 17, 2022

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The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.

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Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.

McCullough is the most published renal cardio MD in the world as I understand it. He's been a leader in the opposition to these JABs. From telegram.org

MEDICAL BOARD GOES AFTER DR. MCCULLOUGH, SEN. JOHNSON CALLS FOR PUBLIC HEARING
Dr. Peter McCullough's license is under review by the American Board of Internal Medicine

https://thehighwire.com/videos/medical-board-goes-after-dr-mccullough-sen-johnson-calls-for-public-hearing/

I view most knowledgeable medical doctors as cowards They prefer to jab some teenage kid with this EUA concoction rather than risk running afoul with a board or their hospital bosses and loss of their job. McCullough will go down in history - along with others - as fellow patriots, as a hero.

The Peter argument makes me think of Robert Duvall's drawing in The Natural. Peter is Roy Hobbs. He's either going to strike out and be the goat or hit a homer.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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See if you can spot the lie in the FDA's tweet from today. It is just another example of why the FDA has declining credibility.

If you wonder what the lie is, I will give you a hint - Name the vaccines available today that provide "neutralizing immunity" and of those, how many of them are for Covid-19?

You may think my use of the word "lie" is too harsh and maybe it is, but I am fed up with the false and/or misleading information that gets published by a government agency that is supposed to be working on our behalf to insure we are kept safe.

Today, we authorized emergency use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for the prevention of COVID-19 to include use in children down to 6 months of age. https://t.co/DFnvVyQ8n6 pic.twitter.com/mXuN3oqZaa

— U.S. FDA (@US_FDA) June 17, 2022

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The lie is the use of the word "prevention"...

and it's a good thing that a certain poster here doesn't have a 6 month old.

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Ha; I don't know which one of us is "certain poster" but I do have a nearly 5-yr old Orange County, California grandson yet to be forced jabbed. If he was in LA county it might be a different story. Believe me, I stay after his parents about it.......

I'll add. The time is coming across all fronts of this war and it will be worldwide. Class action lawsuits first and Nuremberg trials will follow. Big Pharma will barely exist in a few years.

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Seriously, you're not good at this.

LOL, you are funny! I like it ;-)

Maybe its you now that I look back. You're the biggest defender of this genocide.

Storm loves me ........ha.!

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The Peter argument makes me think of Robert Duvall's drawing in The Natural. Peter is Roy Hobbs. He's either going to strike out and be the goat or hit a homer.

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That's how a hero operates........but he's far from the only one in medicine and relative sciences......Audi Murphy was out front too. Patton's drive on the Ardennes.