RunsWithWolves26 said:
Just got word that a guy I've known nearly 20 years passed away from covid. He was 37 years old, healthy, married with 2 kids. Covid sucks!
GuerrillaPack said:RunsWithWolves26 said:
Just got word that a guy I've known nearly 20 years passed away from covid. He was 37 years old, healthy, married with 2 kids. Covid sucks!
Do you know if he was vaccinated or not?
The only way we will get out of this pandemic is through immunity and the two ways we get this is through vaccination or by immunity from previous infection. One advantage of the Delta variant I have been thinking about the past couple of days is it will get people to immunity from previous infection a lot faster than the past variants. Unfortunately, it comes at the price of higher hospitalization and more death. Vaccinations are an easier way to get immunity, but it has gotten politicized (like everything seems to be in this country), so it has become difficult to get to the threshold we need to be to do this the easy way.Mormad said:
Small study showed that 36% of unvaxxed infected failed to seroconvert, correlation mostly with mild dz and high Ct values (low viral loads). Along with the evidence that i provided that showed a paradoxical lack of immunity after severe dz in some, this further suggests the importance of vaxxes in developing (potentially more) consistent immunity. Weird dz: we also know that exposure without infection can create some immunity, and if the exposed is vaxxed it can produce a memory B and T cell response that is like a booster despite the fact the exposure doesn't lead to infection.
Study from Britain of 43,000 infected participants late March to late May: delta was 2.26x more likely to cause hospitalization than alpha within 2 wks of a positive test when controlled for other risk factors. Only 2% of the hospitalized were fully vaxxed, 74% unvaxxed, 24% partially vaxxed.
I have 2 vaxxed Wolfpack friends with it right now. Both had very mild symptoms for 3 days, and not much spread to prolonged contacts (wives, kids and friends), lending some anecdotal credence to Davie's tweet.
TheStorm said:
I mean that should be common logic, wouldn't it?
Thanks for the response. So, in theory, someone who is vaccinated and has had a break-through case is not really a candidate for a booster. They have received a natural booster and should have even better protection from the break-through infection than they would from just having the vaccine. I do think in the US, it makes sense for people who are immunocompromised, are older (70+), or have severe health conditions, should consider a booster when it is available. For those who are healthy, I still question the need for a booster at this time.Mormad said:
My understanding is that, in general, it is believed they will have better immunity.
RunsWithWolves26 said:GuerrillaPack said:RunsWithWolves26 said:
Just got word that a guy I've known nearly 20 years passed away from covid. He was 37 years old, healthy, married with 2 kids. Covid sucks!
Do you know if he was vaccinated or not?
He was not and he refused to get the vaccine. His wife begged him for months but he was against it. As I told him, it is your choice and no one should force you to take it. I also told him those two kids should be a reason to get vaccinated but again, it was his choice.
Probably true. OTOH, in fairness....I imagine there are many people making decisions to not be vaccinated because they are "healthy", who aren't nearly as healthy as they think they are. Not just obesity, but in general.bgr3 said:
Not directing this at anyone here who has stories but these did remind me of something that's kind of frustrating.
I have seen a couple of news stories this weekend that report "healthy teenagers" in the hospital with COVID. Accompanying picture shows them to be obese. I wish the absolute best for them and have no ill will whatsoever, but there is a bit of diservice out there portraying obese people as "healthy," because they are objectively not.
I have a feeling we are going to see more of these stories and as much as nobody wants to disparage others who are going through a tough time, it is factually inaccurate to chategorize significantly overweight people as "otherwise healthy." Obesity is not healthy, this shouldn't be controversial.
I'm sure you're right about that.Packchem91 said:Probably true. OTOH, in fairness....I imagine there are many people making decisions to not be vaccinated because they are "healthy", who aren't nearly as healthy as they think they are. Not just obesity, but in general.bgr3 said:
Not directing this at anyone here who has stories but these did remind me of something that's kind of frustrating.
I have seen a couple of news stories this weekend that report "healthy teenagers" in the hospital with COVID. Accompanying picture shows them to be obese. I wish the absolute best for them and have no ill will whatsoever, but there is a bit of diservice out there portraying obese people as "healthy," because they are objectively not.
I have a feeling we are going to see more of these stories and as much as nobody wants to disparage others who are going through a tough time, it is factually inaccurate to chategorize significantly overweight people as "otherwise healthy." Obesity is not healthy, this shouldn't be controversial.
Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
I was watching a video this morning with Dr. Gandhi (infectious disease doctor who I link to often) on Dr. Zubin Damania's(zdoggmd) podcast and they mentioned something interesting that people should consider. We know from investing and corporate finance, it is helpful to look at what insiders are doing in making investment decisions. In this case, if you consider doctors as insiders and you are deciding if you should make a choice in vaccination (investing in corporate finance terms), you would definitely get the vaccination. Currently, surveys and studies show 96% of doctors have been vaccinated for Covid-19. As insiders you have to ask yourself - what do they know that I do not know? Apparently, as insiders, they know there is an advantage to vaccination that outweighs not being vaccinated.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
No way, buddy. You should definitely have the right to determine if it's right for you personally. It should not be forced upon you. That said, I/we/they just want people making the choice to do so with the correct information needed to make such a decision. That's where we, as a society, tend to differ. And let's face it, with this one the info is sorta all over the place.
For example, you call it a mystery concoction. It takes less than 2 secs to Google the 10 ingredients in the Pfizer vax. That's not exactly a mystery. I know you don't believe the information, and that's ok and your right, but most of us in health care hope most can see past the conspiracy theories and make choices based on data like that presented almost daily by our friend Davie. We don't have to agree on that. I think you would agree tho, even from your opposite side of the fence from me, that it's kinda sad so many are so inflexible in their opinions. We've gotten well past logic and reason and thought and we've created 2 Americas. Over almost everything. But covid has certainly widened the divide. I don't usually agree with your logic and reasoning and thinking on this topic, but you at least use those things all the damn time and i respect the hell outta you for it.
No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
The government and the messaging regarding vaccines and masking mandates has been a hot mess and done a lot of harm. This is discussed in the video I linked above and I highly recommend watching the entire video. They had one chance to get it right and they failed. Many people already have a high distrust of government and they have done things that have reinforced this distrust.Packchem91 said:No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
However, I think there are a lot of people out there who have been misinformed about "government intent" here, and think somehow that doing something taht is proven to improve their likelihood to survive this, is infringing upon their rights. And its often spoken from the mouths of those who complain that others have made this political. Like the mother/grandmother in the FB post from a friend of mine I shared above....who went with her rights above her health....now her young grandkids don't have a grandmother.
THAT, to me, should make doctors/health advocates/etc -- people who've spent their lives and careers trying to make others healthier -- very frustrated.
Daviewolf83 said:The government and the messaging regarding vaccines and masking mandates has been a hot mess and done a lot of harm. This is discussed in the video I linked above and I highly recommend watching the entire video. They had one chance to get it right and they failed. Many people already have a high distrust of government and they have done things that have reinforced this distrust.Packchem91 said:No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
However, I think there are a lot of people out there who have been misinformed about "government intent" here, and think somehow that doing something taht is proven to improve their likelihood to survive this, is infringing upon their rights. And its often spoken from the mouths of those who complain that others have made this political. Like the mother/grandmother in the FB post from a friend of mine I shared above....who went with her rights above her health....now her young grandkids don't have a grandmother.
THAT, to me, should make doctors/health advocates/etc -- people who've spent their lives and careers trying to make others healthier -- very frustrated.
Sadly, we are way too late for the mea culpa. I don't think anyone who is currently involved (and public facing) in the health policy decision making at a federal/state level could even feign the level of remorse needed to bring the public back.Mormad said:Daviewolf83 said:The government and the messaging regarding vaccines and masking mandates has been a hot mess and done a lot of harm. This is discussed in the video I linked above and I highly recommend watching the entire video. They had one chance to get it right and they failed. Many people already have a high distrust of government and they have done things that have reinforced this distrust.Packchem91 said:No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
However, I think there are a lot of people out there who have been misinformed about "government intent" here, and think somehow that doing something taht is proven to improve their likelihood to survive this, is infringing upon their rights. And its often spoken from the mouths of those who complain that others have made this political. Like the mother/grandmother in the FB post from a friend of mine I shared above....who went with her rights above her health....now her young grandkids don't have a grandmother.
THAT, to me, should make doctors/health advocates/etc -- people who've spent their lives and careers trying to make others healthier -- very frustrated.
I'd argue that they still have a chance to get it right. They have to be willing to compromise and admit when they've gotten it wrong. People are STARVING for that kind of leadership.
Edited to add that i know it'll never happen with the clowns in Washington (or Raleigh).
Wayland said:Sadly, we are way too late for the mea culpa. I don't think anyone who is currently involved (and public facing) in the health policy decision making at a federal/state level could even feign the level of remorse needed to bring the public back.Mormad said:Daviewolf83 said:The government and the messaging regarding vaccines and masking mandates has been a hot mess and done a lot of harm. This is discussed in the video I linked above and I highly recommend watching the entire video. They had one chance to get it right and they failed. Many people already have a high distrust of government and they have done things that have reinforced this distrust.Packchem91 said:No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
However, I think there are a lot of people out there who have been misinformed about "government intent" here, and think somehow that doing something taht is proven to improve their likelihood to survive this, is infringing upon their rights. And its often spoken from the mouths of those who complain that others have made this political. Like the mother/grandmother in the FB post from a friend of mine I shared above....who went with her rights above her health....now her young grandkids don't have a grandmother.
THAT, to me, should make doctors/health advocates/etc -- people who've spent their lives and careers trying to make others healthier -- very frustrated.
I'd argue that they still have a chance to get it right. They have to be willing to compromise and admit when they've gotten it wrong. People are STARVING for that kind of leadership.
Edited to add that i know it'll never happen with the clowns in Washington (or Raleigh).
Need to clean house completely, bring in fresh honest faces, who can admit the previous political hacks and self aggrandizing narcissists 'got it wrong'.
Then... and only then... can we start to rebuild public trust... one brick at a time.
As I don't have intimate knowledge of the organizational structure of the public health hierarchy, I wouldn't know, and I while I have 'my favorites'... I am sure anyone who has been at all public at this point will be considered tainted. But we need rational data oriented people, not political hysterics.caryking said:Wayland said:Sadly, we are way too late for the mea culpa. I don't think anyone who is currently involved (and public facing) in the health policy decision making at a federal/state level could even feign the level of remorse needed to bring the public back.Mormad said:Daviewolf83 said:The government and the messaging regarding vaccines and masking mandates has been a hot mess and done a lot of harm. This is discussed in the video I linked above and I highly recommend watching the entire video. They had one chance to get it right and they failed. Many people already have a high distrust of government and they have done things that have reinforced this distrust.Packchem91 said:No -- you absolutely have that right. I disagree with the conclusions you post on here, and particularly that this is some sort of new world order thing, but it's your right to object. Whether you are right or wrong, I know you have at least put lots of thought into it.GuerrillaPack said:Are you saying that people don't have the right to determine what goes into their own bodies, and whether or not they want to take an injection of some unknown mystery concoction into their body?Packchem91 said:
And speaking of "frustrating"...imagine the level of frustrations that trained medical doctors, virus specialists, and community health officials must think to say one thing, and have politics and "its my right" advocates on FB and social media try to fight them and dispute them all along teh line.
However, I think there are a lot of people out there who have been misinformed about "government intent" here, and think somehow that doing something taht is proven to improve their likelihood to survive this, is infringing upon their rights. And its often spoken from the mouths of those who complain that others have made this political. Like the mother/grandmother in the FB post from a friend of mine I shared above....who went with her rights above her health....now her young grandkids don't have a grandmother.
THAT, to me, should make doctors/health advocates/etc -- people who've spent their lives and careers trying to make others healthier -- very frustrated.
I'd argue that they still have a chance to get it right. They have to be willing to compromise and admit when they've gotten it wrong. People are STARVING for that kind of leadership.
Edited to add that i know it'll never happen with the clowns in Washington (or Raleigh).
Need to clean house completely, bring in fresh honest faces, who can admit the previous political hacks and self aggrandizing narcissists 'got it wrong'.
Then... and only then... can we start to rebuild public trust... one brick at a time.
Who should be part of the "clean house" group? Who would you recommend being brought in after the house is clean?
Perhaps you got the bold statement reversed... Remember, Trump brought in Scott Atlas as a new advisor. Probably because he didn't trust Fauci any longer. I've said this before: Trump was spot on with his assessment of the virus.Wayland said:
Basically, 'who' should be brought in is outside my purview
The short answer on who needs to go is 'EVERYBODY'. Is it practical... no. But it needs to be done.
But Fauci and Walensky (and basically whoever puts out the sham CDC cherry picked 'studies) should both be gone like yesterday. Or at least removed from public facing roles and gagged. It goes much broader than that, but that would be a start.
EDIT: Just to add. I get Fauci seemed like a dose of juxtaposed sanity when it came to the early pandemic and Trump. But if you really can not see him for the "me first" narcissistic bureaucrat (who it is not outside the realm of possibility had at least a small degree of fault for the pandemic), who's own self-interests MAY occasionally intersect with public health... BUT is likely to cause more harm than good.... I recommend you take a good hard look in the mirror and re-evaluate your entire world view.
Fauci is not a 'good actor'.
-Walensky is just a hysterical politicized MUPPET and if she at one point had any credibility, it is long gone.
To that CDC end, the CDC MMWR propaganda arm should be disbanded.... or at least reformed and include somebody who has greater than a high school level of statistics or data analysis. Additionally, all their cherry picked to fit a narrative, anecdotal studies should be subject to serious peer-review prior to being made public. The fact that the CDC has decided to eschew actual science and data in order to bow to whatever political winds happen to be blowing is a disservice to us all. It is great that they have a solid team infographic creators, but we don't need cute tweets right now.... we need ACTUAL science (not the narrative 'the science').
"NEWLY RELEASED documents provide details of US-funded research on..coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology..The Intercept has obtained more than 900 pages of documents detailing..work of..EcoHealth Alliance..at the Chinese lab.."https://t.co/n3OkFAq3kM
— Richard H. Ebright (@R_H_Ebright) September 7, 2021
LOL. Come on man. It's ok to say Trump completely whiffed (and mislead) the American people on how bad this was. Lots of folks did early on.caryking said:Perhaps you got the bold statement reversed... Remember, Trump brought in Scott Atlas as a new advisor. Probably because he didn't trust Fauci any longer. I've said this before: Trump was spot on with his assessment of the virus.Wayland said:
Basically, 'who' should be brought in is outside my purview
The short answer on who needs to go is 'EVERYBODY'. Is it practical... no. But it needs to be done.
But Fauci and Walensky (and basically whoever puts out the sham CDC cherry picked 'studies) should both be gone like yesterday. Or at least removed from public facing roles and gagged. It goes much broader than that, but that would be a start.
EDIT: Just to add. I get Fauci seemed like a dose of juxtaposed sanity when it came to the early pandemic and Trump. But if you really can not see him for the "me first" narcissistic bureaucrat (who it is not outside the realm of possibility had at least a small degree of fault for the pandemic), who's own self-interests MAY occasionally intersect with public health... BUT is likely to cause more harm than good.... I recommend you take a good hard look in the mirror and re-evaluate your entire world view.
Fauci is not a 'good actor'.
-Walensky is just a hysterical politicized MUPPET and if she at one point had any credibility, it is long gone.
To that CDC end, the CDC MMWR propaganda arm should be disbanded.... or at least reformed and include somebody who has greater than a high school level of statistics or data analysis. Additionally, all their cherry picked to fit a narrative, anecdotal studies should be subject to serious peer-review prior to being made public. The fact that the CDC has decided to eschew actual science and data in order to bow to whatever political winds happen to be blowing is a disservice to us all. It is great that they have a solid team infographic creators, but we don't need cute tweets right now.... we need ACTUAL science (not the narrative 'the science').
Yes, I understand he said we would beat this thing early on; however, he stood there daily and took questions and a beating, by the media. What's Biden done?
Trump is the epitome of an optimist! That's the way he operates. He wants people to feel as if everything is going to be ok. Nothing wrong with that as a leader. At the same time, he stood their and took question after question.
Finally, this juxtapose crap is a joke! Somebody needed to juxtapose Fauci! Fauci is EVIL!!!
Packchem91 said:LOL. Come on man. It's ok to say Trump completely whiffed (and mislead) the American people on how bad this was. Lots of folks did early on.caryking said:Perhaps you got the bold statement reversed... Remember, Trump brought in Scott Atlas as a new advisor. Probably because he didn't trust Fauci any longer. I've said this before: Trump was spot on with his assessment of the virus.Wayland said:
Basically, 'who' should be brought in is outside my purview
The short answer on who needs to go is 'EVERYBODY'. Is it practical... no. But it needs to be done.
But Fauci and Walensky (and basically whoever puts out the sham CDC cherry picked 'studies) should both be gone like yesterday. Or at least removed from public facing roles and gagged. It goes much broader than that, but that would be a start.
EDIT: Just to add. I get Fauci seemed like a dose of juxtaposed sanity when it came to the early pandemic and Trump. But if you really can not see him for the "me first" narcissistic bureaucrat (who it is not outside the realm of possibility had at least a small degree of fault for the pandemic), who's own self-interests MAY occasionally intersect with public health... BUT is likely to cause more harm than good.... I recommend you take a good hard look in the mirror and re-evaluate your entire world view.
Fauci is not a 'good actor'.
-Walensky is just a hysterical politicized MUPPET and if she at one point had any credibility, it is long gone.
To that CDC end, the CDC MMWR propaganda arm should be disbanded.... or at least reformed and include somebody who has greater than a high school level of statistics or data analysis. Additionally, all their cherry picked to fit a narrative, anecdotal studies should be subject to serious peer-review prior to being made public. The fact that the CDC has decided to eschew actual science and data in order to bow to whatever political winds happen to be blowing is a disservice to us all. It is great that they have a solid team infographic creators, but we don't need cute tweets right now.... we need ACTUAL science (not the narrative 'the science').
Yes, I understand he said we would beat this thing early on; however, he stood there daily and took questions and a beating, by the media. What's Biden done?
Trump is the epitome of an optimist! That's the way he operates. He wants people to feel as if everything is going to be ok. Nothing wrong with that as a leader. At the same time, he stood their and took question after question.
Finally, this juxtapose crap is a joke! Somebody needed to juxtapose Fauci! Fauci is EVIL!!!
This is like saying -- "I've said this before, but Edward Smith, was spot on with his assessment of the unsinkability of the Titanic".
"Yes, I know he ran it into an iceberg and sunk the unsinkable costing thousands of people who trusted him their lives but it was only because he was an optimist".
packgrad said:
Time for heads to start rolling."NEWLY RELEASED documents provide details of US-funded research on..coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology..The Intercept has obtained more than 900 pages of documents detailing..work of..EcoHealth Alliance..at the Chinese lab.."https://t.co/n3OkFAq3kM
— Richard H. Ebright (@R_H_Ebright) September 7, 2021
Surprise surprise - Fauci lied again
— Senator Rand Paul (@RandPaul) September 7, 2021
And I was right about his agency funding novel Coronavirus research at Wuhan.
Read this thread and the papers released. https://t.co/zQizKXLdbd
LOL, you just said he was spot on in his assessment about Covid on a public forum. If you wanted it to be a response to a single person, send them a message. You see, I tend to mock it whenever someone says something really stupid, whether its about Trump or Biden or whomever. And that comment, was pretty stupid.caryking said:Packchem91 said:LOL. Come on man. It's ok to say Trump completely whiffed (and mislead) the American people on how bad this was. Lots of folks did early on.caryking said:Perhaps you got the bold statement reversed... Remember, Trump brought in Scott Atlas as a new advisor. Probably because he didn't trust Fauci any longer. I've said this before: Trump was spot on with his assessment of the virus.Wayland said:
Basically, 'who' should be brought in is outside my purview
The short answer on who needs to go is 'EVERYBODY'. Is it practical... no. But it needs to be done.
But Fauci and Walensky (and basically whoever puts out the sham CDC cherry picked 'studies) should both be gone like yesterday. Or at least removed from public facing roles and gagged. It goes much broader than that, but that would be a start.
EDIT: Just to add. I get Fauci seemed like a dose of juxtaposed sanity when it came to the early pandemic and Trump. But if you really can not see him for the "me first" narcissistic bureaucrat (who it is not outside the realm of possibility had at least a small degree of fault for the pandemic), who's own self-interests MAY occasionally intersect with public health... BUT is likely to cause more harm than good.... I recommend you take a good hard look in the mirror and re-evaluate your entire world view.
Fauci is not a 'good actor'.
-Walensky is just a hysterical politicized MUPPET and if she at one point had any credibility, it is long gone.
To that CDC end, the CDC MMWR propaganda arm should be disbanded.... or at least reformed and include somebody who has greater than a high school level of statistics or data analysis. Additionally, all their cherry picked to fit a narrative, anecdotal studies should be subject to serious peer-review prior to being made public. The fact that the CDC has decided to eschew actual science and data in order to bow to whatever political winds happen to be blowing is a disservice to us all. It is great that they have a solid team infographic creators, but we don't need cute tweets right now.... we need ACTUAL science (not the narrative 'the science').
Yes, I understand he said we would beat this thing early on; however, he stood there daily and took questions and a beating, by the media. What's Biden done?
Trump is the epitome of an optimist! That's the way he operates. He wants people to feel as if everything is going to be ok. Nothing wrong with that as a leader. At the same time, he stood their and took question after question.
Finally, this juxtapose crap is a joke! Somebody needed to juxtapose Fauci! Fauci is EVIL!!!
This is like saying -- "I've said this before, but Edward Smith, was spot on with his assessment of the unsinkability of the Titanic".
"Yes, I know he ran it into an iceberg and sunk the unsinkable costing thousands of people who trusted him their lives but it was only because he was an optimist".
Chem, I wasn't talking to you. We all know how you feel about Trump! Please STOP!!!
Why?? The flu no longer exists. Anything and everything is Covid...caryking said:
You know what's crazy about all this mess... just this morning, I was at my doctor, doing my annual, and while there, I got the flu shot!!!
I believe most all are going to show some type of co-morbidity. But 45% of the US population has a co-morbidity of some type. People can live a lifetime with a co-morbidity, though, courtesy of medicine and technology.BBW12OG said:Why?? The flu no longer exists. Anything and everything is Covid...caryking said:
You know what's crazy about all this mess... just this morning, I was at my doctor, doing my annual, and while there, I got the flu shot!!!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. How many of these deaths are SOLELY the result of Covid and Covid only? No co-morbidities, no pre-existing health issues, no obesity, no respiratory issues, non-smokers etc....
We will never know.
