PackFansXL said:

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/chinas-social-credit-system-arrives-on-british-shores/

This is mind boggling to watch the English Prime Minister propose government oversight of every activity of his nation's citizens for the purpose of scoring their food choices and health status. This idea has been applied to all activities in communist China to control those citizens. It is a terrifying Big Brother idea that needs to die quickly before it is picked up by those who favor big government policies here in the USA.

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Sleepy Joe has been busing illegal immigrants to Florida for months. Wonder why Covid is increasing there? The lefties have one goal and one goal only. Absolute power.

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Another "glitch in the Matrix" that exposes this all as a fraud.

Covid is supposedly the most deadly virus in the history of mankind, and a worldwide crisis greater than the Black Death of the Middle Ages...and yet...the border is still wide open and the treasonous Feds are rolling out the red carpet for hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens pouring across the border, and then quietly bussing and flying them all over the country.

The Feds sure aren't worried about those illegals spreading covid. Almost makes you wonder if they are actually worried about covid AT ALL. Almost makes you wonder if this is all one big hoax, and the virus is actually not that big of a threat.

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That's a really good point. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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When we talk about this being a hoax, it's not that we're saying a novel strain of a cold or flu virus doesn't exist. The crucial point is that the alleged number of "cases" and "covid deaths" is fraudulent and vastly inflated (via the bogus PCR testing, counting "presumed" cases just based on symptoms, etc)....to create the illusion of a "crisis". In reality, it is no more dangerous than the regular flu, and they are essentially just taking all flu cases and re-naming them "covid".

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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When we talk about this being a hoax, it's not that we're saying a novel strain of a cold or flu virus doesn't exist. The crucial point is that the alleged number of "cases" and "covid deaths" is fraudulent and vastly inflated (via the bogus PCR testing, counting "presumed" cases just based on symptoms, etc)....to create the illusion of a "crisis". In reality, it is no more dangerous than the regular flu, and they are essentially just taking all flu cases and re-naming them "covid".

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If COVID's no more dangerous than flu, why have we had a couple million excess deaths worldwide since it hit?

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Wayland said:

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There have been many high Noble lies throughout the pandemic. And later we wonder why trust in experts has declined.
Pro tip: don't lie.

Our new piecehttps://t.co/xkUmcNW4Js

— Vinay Prasad, MD MPH 🎙️📷 (@VPrasadMDMPH) July 28, 2021

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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When we talk about this being a hoax, it's not that we're saying a novel strain of a cold or flu virus doesn't exist. The crucial point is that the alleged number of "cases" and "covid deaths" is fraudulent and vastly inflated (via the bogus PCR testing, counting "presumed" cases just based on symptoms, etc)....to create the illusion of a "crisis". In reality, it is no more dangerous than the regular flu, and they are essentially just taking all flu cases and re-naming them "covid".

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If COVID's no more dangerous than flu, why have we had a couple million excess deaths worldwide since it hit?

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They've been doctoring the "data" in all of this from the beginning. I don't believe that there has been a substantial jump in deaths year over year, showing that "covid" was the cause of this. I've seen data showing the opposite, and that there has NOT been such a substantial increase. There would be a slight increase in deaths no matter if there was no "pandemic", just due to the fact that the world population is constantly growing, and especially in 1st world nations, as those nations have aging populations, and you would see a somewhat significant increase in deaths year over year no matter what.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Sleepy Joe has been busing illegal immigrants to Florida for months. Wonder why Covid is increasing there? The lefties have one goal and one goal only. Absolute power.

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Another "glitch in the Matrix" that exposes this all as a fraud.

Covid is supposedly the most deadly virus in the history of mankind, and a worldwide crisis greater than the Black Death of the Middle Ages...and yet...the border is still wide open and the treasonous Feds are rolling out the red carpet for hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens pouring across the border, and then quietly bussing and flying them all over the country.

The Feds sure aren't worried about those illegals spreading covid. Almost makes you wonder if they are actually worried about covid AT ALL. Almost makes you wonder if this is all one big hoax, and the virus is actually not that big of a threat.

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That's a really good point. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

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I do not think the virus is a hoax! I listened to Perter Navarro yesterday and he said the following: back in the beginning (early last year) the Trump Administration was not counting on any vaccine and their plans were all about treatment.

They did not believe a vaccine could be developed and implemented in a fast manner. They truly believed that the therapeutics were the way to go. As we all know, they were ostracized for every mention of positive feedback made. At this point, we will never know how many lives could have saved.

In other words, it became very political!!! Remember: Biden and Harris said thing like: as long as Trump is involved, I'll never stick a needle in me. And, who's going to believe Trump that the vaccines are safe?

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Yea, I think this was a bio-weapon, by the CCP. They have no value of life and would release it intentionally. Now, the intentional release is not verified; however, a gain of function virus is damn near verified, at this point.

Based on that, I believe the deadlines of this virus is real. How could it not be?

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packgrad said:

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Wayland said:

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There have been many high Noble lies throughout the pandemic. And later we wonder why trust in experts has declined.
Pro tip: don't lie.

Our new piecehttps://t.co/xkUmcNW4Js

— Vinay Prasad, MD MPH 🎙️📷 (@VPrasadMDMPH) July 28, 2021

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Great read.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Haven't read that article. But the big lie is that masks actually do anything to prevent spread of disease. They would have been correct from the beginning to tell people to not wear masks. Nearly every health expert has been saying for decades that wearing masks provides no protection. And they were saying that in the first few months of this, in early 2020, including Fauci and the U.S. Surgeon General. Then, suddenly, around April of 2020, governments did a 180 degree flip and alleged "the science had changed" and they had "just conducted" some "new studies" that showed that masks work.

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Mormad said:

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I wish you would stop saying this stuff. While there is some truth in what you say, the overall "vast majority" did NOT die of their co-morbidities. They died of complications of severe covid. Their co-morbidities just made them more likely to die than those without. People lying prone in the icu intubated with lungs that look like swiss cheese didn't die of obesity, dementia, advanced age, or hypertension. I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand. Those things don't cause that kind of death. And unfortunately the young and healthy do die at times, but more often they suffer long dz which sucks. So while it's benign for most, it's not for all and thousands upon thousands have suffered and continue to do so because they won't just get the poison. And no matter what you say, the fact remains that the vaccines are the only thing other than seclusion that keeps people out of the hospital, reduces deaths from their "co, -morbidities," and reduces transmissions that would also reduce viral replication and therefore viral variance and could finally get us back to normal.

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Yea, I think this was a bio-weapon, by the CCP. They have no value of life and would release it intentionally. Now, the intentional release is not verified; however, a gain of function virus is damn near verified, at this point.

Based on that, I believe the deadlines of this virus is real. How could it not be?

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Are you talking about the alleged number of "covid deaths"? -- eg, "600k" in the U.S? If so, those clearly are inflated. For starters, look at how the PCR and other testing is completely unreliable, and returns huge numbers of false "positives". Given that, you have huge numbers of deaths where people have tested "positive" via this flawed testing and have been labelled "covid deaths", where the person did not actually have "covid" at all. Furthermore, in a huge number of deaths labeled "covid deaths", there was no testing of the person at all and they were merely "presumed" to have covid (based on having a few symptoms, such as a cough and headace, etc). In the vast majority of those "covid deaths", the person also did not actually have covid.

It is very important to remember that the vast majority of people who have been labeled "covid deaths" are people over 70 with pre-existing serious morbidities (heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer's, etc). They actually died from those pre-existing morbidities, not "covid". It's not like you have a bunch of 20, 30, 40, and 50 year olds dropping dead from a flu or cold. It's very elderly people who are already seriously sick. And it wasn't "covid" that pushed them over the edge and caused their death. They actually died from those pre-existing morbidities.

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I wish you would stop saying this stuff. While there is some truth in what you say, the overall "vast majority" did NOT die of their co-morbidities. They died of complications of severe covid. Their co-morbidities just made them more likely to die than those without. People lying prone in the icu intubated with lungs that look like swiss cheese didn't die of obesity, dementia, advanced age, or hypertension. I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand. Those things don't cause that kind of death. And unfortunately the young and healthy do die at times, but more often they suffer long dz which sucks. So while it's benign for most, it's not for all and thousands upon thousands have suffered and continue to do so because they won't just get the poison. And no matter what you say, the fact remains that the vaccines are the only thing other than seclusion that keeps people out of the hospital, reduces deaths from their "co, -morbidities," and reduces transmissions that would also reduce viral replication and therefore viral variance and could finally get us back to normal.

In the early days, before such shtty testing was widely available, some who died of flu-like or covid-like illness were listed as covid deaths I'm sure. But many infectious dz and community health experts think our numbers were STILL under estimated because of the people who died without testing and the COD was unknown. I'm sure in most cases it was just their Alzheimer's.

The talk of young and healthy gets tiresome. So many are fatter than they think, and are hypertensive and have no clue. There are millions of Americans with hypertension who are either untreated or unknown. Don't be so sure this disease will be so benign for you or your loved ones. The odds with the vaccine are so much better.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Mormad said:

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I wish you would stop saying this stuff. While there is some truth in what you say, the overall "vast majority" did NOT die of their co-morbidities. They died of complications of severe covid. Their co-morbidities just made them more likely to die than those without. People lying prone in the icu intubated with lungs that look like swiss cheese didn't die of obesity, dementia, advanced age, or hypertension. I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand. Those things don't cause that kind of death. And unfortunately the young and healthy do die at times, but more often they suffer long dz which sucks. So while it's benign for most, it's not for all and thousands upon thousands have suffered and continue to do so because they won't just get the poison. And no matter what you say, the fact remains that the vaccines are the only thing other than seclusion that keeps people out of the hospital, reduces deaths from their "co, -morbidities," and reduces transmissions that would also reduce viral replication and therefore viral variance and could finally get us back to normal.

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When people who are dying of heart failure or just "old age" die, many of them catch pneumonia and that is what "finishes them off". Their body and immune system is already so weakened, that they can easily die of the regular flu, pneumonia, or other respiratory illness. And in those cases, the true cause of those persons' deaths was the pre-existing condition that weakened their body and immune system to that state, such that something like the flu could kill them. So that's my point when I'm talking about the fact that it was not "covid" that truly caused the death of the vast majority of people who are classified as "covid deaths".

Even per the "official" narrative, covid is not something that just kills young and healthy people. Similar to the flu, it's something that is only a serious threat if you are already seriously ill or have a weak immune system.

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The CDC now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the coronavirus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no symptoms. Previously, it only recommended vaccinated people get tested if they were experiencing symptoms. https://t.co/IMhxLK7pH9

— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 28, 2021

GuerrillaPack said:

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Mormad said:

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I wish you would stop saying this stuff. While there is some truth in what you say, the overall "vast majority" did NOT die of their co-morbidities. They died of complications of severe covid. Their co-morbidities just made them more likely to die than those without. People lying prone in the icu intubated with lungs that look like swiss cheese didn't die of obesity, dementia, advanced age, or hypertension. I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand. Those things don't cause that kind of death. And unfortunately the young and healthy do die at times, but more often they suffer long dz which sucks. So while it's benign for most, it's not for all and thousands upon thousands have suffered and continue to do so because they won't just get the poison. And no matter what you say, the fact remains that the vaccines are the only thing other than seclusion that keeps people out of the hospital, reduces deaths from their "co, -morbidities," and reduces transmissions that would also reduce viral replication and therefore viral variance and could finally get us back to normal.

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When people who are dying of heart failure or just "old age" die, many of them catch pneumonia and that is what "finishes them off". Their body and immune system is already so weakened, that they can easily die of the regular flu, pneumonia, or other respiratory illness. And in those cases, the true cause of those persons' deaths was the pre-existing condition that weakened their body and immune system to that state, such that something like the flu could kill them. So that's my point when I'm talking about the fact that it was not "covid" that truly caused the death of the vast majority of people who are classified as "covid deaths".

Even per the "official" narrative, covid is not something that just kills young and healthy people. Similar to the flu, it's something that is only a serious threat if you are already seriously ill or have a weak immune system.

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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When we talk about this being a hoax, it's not that we're saying a novel strain of a cold or flu virus doesn't exist. The crucial point is that the alleged number of "cases" and "covid deaths" is fraudulent and vastly inflated (via the bogus PCR testing, counting "presumed" cases just based on symptoms, etc)....to create the illusion of a "crisis". In reality, it is no more dangerous than the regular flu, and they are essentially just taking all flu cases and re-naming them "covid".

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If COVID's no more dangerous than flu, why have we had a couple million excess deaths worldwide since it hit?

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BBW12OG said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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In case I'm one of those you asked and I missed it, from the time of my cancer recurrence (prior to Covid) to the present, my household has worn masks as directed by the oncologists. This has not been constant, but it has been consistent with their advice.

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