Hospitalizations are going up in NC. My question is simple. Is this all covid or a mixture of other things and covid? I assume it's a mixture and I'm sure someone will respond saying its all made up but I'm genuinely asking. Also says 56% of the 18+ is fully vaccinated. Hope that trend continues.

RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Hospitalizations are going up in NC. My question is simple. Is this all covid or a mixture of other things and covid? I assume it's a mixture and I'm sure someone will respond saying its all made up but I'm genuinely asking. Also says 56% of the 18+ is fully vaccinated. Hope that trend continues.

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I mean, there is more detectable COVID out there right now.

Unfortunately, we don't have reporting for FROM COVID vs WITH COVID admissions. I wouldn't be surprised if both are increasing right now.

As we saw from NC State baseball, it is certainly possible to be vaccinated, test positive for COVID, and not actually really be infectious.

But, summer seasonal increase not really surprising.

Someone posted in this thread a few days ago that they had independently checked by talking to a doctor at a hospital in NC who told them they had zero patients at their hospital for covid and said that "covid is over", and yet that was contradicted by the "official data" coming from the state which claimed there were covid patients there. So there is no doubt some monkeying with the numbers to show this supposed "rise" in the number of "cases".

Also, I've read that they define a "covid hospitalization" as anyone who is at the hospital who tests "positive" for covid. So you could have someone at the hospital for a car wreck, other accident, or an illness totally unrelated to covid, and they are tested and come back "positive" and then counted as a "covid hospitalization"...and those people are not exhibiting any symptoms of being sick with a flu-like disease. And, of course, it's now well known that the PCR test is a total joke and completely unreliable, coming back with huge numbers of false "positives" for people that are not sick at all and do not actually have any disease. It's not like you have droves of people going to the hospital with flu-like symptoms who are "sick with covid". They are engaging in all sorts of shenanigans to fabricate what they are claiming as "covid cases" and "covid hospitalizations".

Not only is that one of my favorite papers but I love this one too - the T cells have a "half life" (rate of decay) similar to that of T cells you get after yellow fever vax (usually given once in a lifetime & memory B cells also look long-lasting:https://t.co/EwppZu6zP6 https://t.co/RezsUJGeqh

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) July 13, 2021

Manlet Mafioso-wannabe Fraudci says that the vaccines are nearing FDA approval, and once that happens a lot more vaccine mandates on the "local" level (city and state, businesses, etc) will occur.

This will certainly be the case. Fauci is a puppet and insider to the elites' agenda and knows what is planned and coming next.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/07/11/fauci-vaccine-mandates-499147

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Fauci said he believes there is some hesitancy of vaccine requirements on the local level because the coronavirus vaccines have not yet been fully approved by the FDA, but instead were authorized for emergency use by the agency. "I think when you do see the official approval, Jake, you're going to see a lot more mandates," he said.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Manlet Mafioso-wannabe Fraudci says that the vaccines are nearing FDA approval, and once that happens a lot more vaccine mandates on the "local" level (city and state, businesses, etc) will occur.

This will certainly be the case. Fauci is a puppet and insider to the elites' agenda and knows what is planned and coming next.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/07/11/fauci-vaccine-mandates-499147

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Fauci said he believes there is some hesitancy of vaccine requirements on the local level because the coronavirus vaccines have not yet been fully approved by the FDA, but instead were authorized for emergency use by the agency. "I think when you do see the official approval, Jake, you're going to see a lot more mandates," he said.

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You will only see more mandates in Democrat run areas. Ridiculous that a coronavirus vaccine mandate would even be considered, but their position isn't "political".

Door-To-Door Vaccines Launch In North Carolina... pic.twitter.com/oWUlYMF9b5

— Covid-1984 (@Covid_1984_) July 13, 2021

Considering I looked at the CDC site yesterday and they showed roughly 5000 new case Saturday and Sunday and today it shows close to 20,000 for those days, I believe I am done paying attention to it. I've been fully vaccinated since April.

mdreid said:

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Door-To-Door Vaccines Launch In North Carolina... pic.twitter.com/oWUlYMF9b5

— Covid-1984 (@Covid_1984_) July 13, 2021

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That's awesome. Sure some people may not have put forth the effort to get the vaccine so far but any person that can get the vaccine if they want it and it's right there is great.

RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Considering I looked at the CDC site yesterday and they showed roughly 5000 new case Saturday and Sunday and today it shows close to 20,000 for those days, I believe I am done paying attention to it. I've been fully vaccinated since April.

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Yep, if you are fully vaccinated, I would not worry too much about case numbers going up. 90%+ are unvaccinated individuals. Even higher percentage for serious cases. These vaccines work really, really well.

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mdreid said:

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Door-To-Door Vaccines Launch In North Carolina... pic.twitter.com/oWUlYMF9b5

— Covid-1984 (@Covid_1984_) July 13, 2021

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Im sorry, they are giving out vaccines as well? That's slightly terrifying. People are putting their trust to random strangers that knock on their door with a syringe?

The hardest of passes

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No doubt. Lunacy.

It's unclear, but I think they're going door to door with info first, not needles. Then, if you want someone to come to your home to vaccinate you, you can request it. If that's what's happening, that's great. I agree, though, I would be pretty hesitant to let someone who just knocked on my door and flashed a badge to stick my arm!

Basically, we all agree that anyone coming to your door, ready to put a needle in you, is not a good idea. Yet, many have put a needle in them, on an FDA unapproved drug.

Yea, I see the logic there...

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'Vaccines Should Be Mandatory,' Says Woman Wearing My Body, My Choice T-Shirt https://t.co/dz8FCVHIyf

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) July 12, 2021

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This is a point I've been making from time to time. A right is not a right if it is merely selectively applied. The Socialists flip on a dime when it comes to abortion to vaccination. And I honestly don't think the clear-as-glass hypocrisy of it all even enters their pointy heads.

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If anybody doesn't see the comedy in this... well, let me know, as I want to put you on ignore...

Some local anecdotal evidence for vaccines, the youth at our church went on a local mission trip for a week and apparently brought COVID back with them. 11 teens have tested positive. We have a total of 42 cases within the church that have either tested positive or are symptomatic and refuse testing (work-related or COVID stigma). These are strictly individuals that can be traced back to the specific service in question.

From what we can tell, almost all were unvaccinated. Only 1 hospitalization so far that we are aware of (not a teen).

ETA: This is our first large county outbreak in 2-3 months.

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Perfect example of the quandary we are in now. For the last year, we've heard "follow the science", or you must be a mouth-breathing fundamentalist boob. Now, California is going to go against CDC guidance and make all kids wear masks in school, even if vaccinated.....because they don't want kids to be tagged unfairly, or to look different.

California K-12 students who refuse to wear masks will be barred from school grounds, state says | Fox News

Well, isn't that ironic. So....follow the science, until science hurts someone's feelings?
Will the media, will the Governor, will the POTUS call out the CA School system for going against science, or give them a pass because its a unique use case?

*And I don't even lose sleep over the decision...wearing masks isn't going to hurt anyone, even if its not overly protective. But its the hypocrisy of the situation I find frustrating...and continues to drive the divide in Americans.

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Just received a text this AM...my county, Union, just sent out a distribution text saying that the Board of Education voted to make masks optional for students and staff, on all campuses

Frankly, I'm not sure what other options were considered.

I'm next to you in Meck and I think my Kindergartner will be required to have a mask in the fall.

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It's unclear, but I think they're going door to door with info first, not needles. Then, if you want someone to come to your home to vaccinate you, you can request it. If that's what's happening, that's great. I agree, though, I would be pretty hesitant to let someone who just knocked on my door and flashed a badge to stick my arm!

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Yep - awesome that they're making medical professionals available to help come and bring the vaccine to them.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/homebound-persons.html

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I'm next to you in Meck and I think my Kindergartner will be required to have a mask in the fall.

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I'd have been shocked if Meck didn't / doesn't force the masking.

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Basically, we all agree that anyone coming to your door, ready to put a needle in you, is not a good idea. Yet, many have put a needle in them, on an FDA unapproved drug.

Yea, I see the logic there...

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I certainly did, although it was via a clinic arranged through my workplace. Emergency vaccine approval didn't mean a lack of clinical trials or medical reviews, so I was fine with it. Any risk from the abbreviated approval process far far outweighed the immediate Covid risk in my mind, but I gather you disagreed. Although, you seem like someone who would appreciate less red tape!

What is the Babylon Bee exactly? Is that a conservative knock-off of The Onion? Yours isn't the first post I've seen from there but I've never asked about it - that's just what it looks like.

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My purely anecdotal observation from my trip to Sam's club just now, there were three dozen or more people wearing masks, and one hundred percent of those were people of color. Sam's policy states that fully vaccinated people don't need to wear masks, and while it is wrong to assume that all of those wearing masks were not vaccinated, it's a pretty safe assumption I think. I did not poll those wearing masks as to their political affiliation, but I'm assuming again that they weren't all pubs. Of course, it is possible that not everyone that wasn't wearing a mask is being truthful with their vaccination status. The point of all of this is that I think it's a fallacy to simplify the vaccination issue down party lines. I know that it's the easy narrative, but regardless of what polls say, I think it's more complicated than that.

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Unfortunately that won't keep "them" from continuing to do so. We even have our resident libs trying to push it here on a regular, ongoing basis. Fortunately, no one pays much attention to their tripe here anymore... and their posts are increasingly falling on deaf ears.

Oh, and Great Post! Could not agree more with the general take...

I'm in a tourist zone (as you are as well in general) and I also see a small percentage of white women wearing masks in coastal grocery stores (which I would presume - but admittedly do not know - are vacationers from the NE corridor down here amongst us heathens!) and a very "miniscule" amount of white men wearing them... usually only when they are with their entire "masked" family. The overall amount of people wearing masks isn't even 10% down here.

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Someone posted in this thread a few days ago that they had independently checked by talking to a doctor at a hospital in NC who told them they had zero patients at their hospital for covid and said that "covid is over", and yet that was contradicted by the "official data" coming from the state which claimed there were covid patients there. So there is no doubt some monkeying with the numbers to show this supposed "rise" in the number of "cases".

Also, I've read that they define a "covid hospitalization" as anyone who is at the hospital who tests "positive" for covid. So you could have someone at the hospital for a car wreck, other accident, or an illness totally unrelated to covid, and they are tested and come back "positive" and then counted as a "covid hospitalization"...and those people are not exhibiting any symptoms of being sick with a flu-like disease. And, of course, it's now well known that the PCR test is a total joke and completely unreliable, coming back with huge numbers of false "positives" for people that are not sick at all and do not actually have any disease. It's not like you have droves of people going to the hospital with flu-like symptoms who are "sick with covid". They are engaging in all sorts of shenanigans to fabricate what they are claiming as "covid cases" and "covid hospitalizations".

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Yeah, you took a little "poetic license" with my earlier post about my ER MD friend, embellishing it somewhat for your own purposes (of course, as to be expected)... but in general your post is 80% spot on.

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mdreid said:

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Door-To-Door Vaccines Launch In North Carolina... pic.twitter.com/oWUlYMF9b5

— Covid-1984 (@Covid_1984_) July 13, 2021

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That's awesome. Sure some people may not have put forth the effort to get the vaccine so far but any person that can get the vaccine if they want it and it's right there is great.

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Don't you live around there?

Wonder why they had to start in "West Charlotte"?

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Some local anecdotal evidence for vaccines, the youth at our church went on a local mission trip for a week and apparently brought COVID back with them. 11 teens have tested positive. We have a total of 42 cases within the church that have either tested positive or are symptomatic and refuse testing (work-related or COVID stigma). These are strictly individuals that can be traced back to the specific service in question.

From what we can tell, almost all were unvaccinated. Only 1 hospitalization so far that we are aware of (not a teen).

ETA: This is our first large county outbreak in 2-3 months.

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Well, it looks like you provided the answer to your post and what the majority here have been saying for quite some time now... can't wait until everyone else catches on to this novel concept!

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I'm next to you in Meck and I think my Kindergartner will be required to have a mask in the fall.

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I'd have been shocked if Meck didn't / doesn't force the masking.

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Question: Why? Politics perhaps?

Oh, and 8 days and counting...

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Don't you live around there?

Wonder why they had to start in "West Charlotte"?

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My guess is they looked at the vaccination rates and saw that West Charlotte was lower than other parts of the city

My first thought when I saw people were going door to door to get people vaccinated

RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Considering I looked at the CDC site yesterday and they showed roughly 5000 new case Saturday and Sunday and today it shows close to 20,000 for those days, I believe I am done paying attention to it. I've been fully vaccinated since April.

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I hadn't been looking at the case counts at all really but this prompted me to go look. Definitely doesn't look like good trends, the below is sorted by largest % change over 14 days. Hopefully folks continue to get vaccinated.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

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TheStorm said:

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Don't you live around there?

Wonder why they had to start in "West Charlotte"?

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My guess is they looked at the vaccination rates and saw that West Charlotte was lower than other parts of the city

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What about all the "poor hicks" out in all these "rural" counties...

I'm not sure, I don't remember saying anything about rural communities? Might need to drive between houses though instead of walking!

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Oh, and 8 days and counting...

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I hear you storm...