Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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The FDA plans to say this week that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, according to four people who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions. https://t.co/5p5IyPRCp4

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) July 12, 2021

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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There's a HUGE disconnect in these numbers being "reported" for vaccination rates...as with all sorts of reported "data" (for "cases", "covid deaths", etc) regarding this Covid clown show. This article here (written just a few days ago) has analyzed the CDC data and says that only 47% of white Americans have received at least one dose, and only 34% of black Americans (looking at data from 40 states, the ones that report based on race).

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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How in the world can "80%" of Democrats have taken at least one shot, when only 34% of black people have taken at least one shot?

I don't deny that Republicans are less likely to be willing to be injected with this poison. But that's not because Republican politicians (or Fox News) are telling them "don't take the vaccine". Like I said, about 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines on their constituents, including the Bad Orange Man himself. Republican voters just so happen to be the more intelligent portion of the population...demonstrated by their higher level of distrust of the government and Establishment.

That said, the low rate of vaccination of black Americans is probably on par with the low rate among Republicans at large. Black Americans also appear to have a deep distrust of the government and Establishment in general.

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Mormad said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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GP coming on strong in BBW's absence...

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Wait. They're not the same guy?

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Packchem91 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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There's a HUGE disconnect in these numbers being "reported" for vaccination rates...as with all sorts of reported "data" (for "cases", "covid deaths", etc) regarding this Covid clown show. This article here (written just a few days ago) has analyzed the CDC data and says that only 47% of white Americans have received at least one dose, and only 34% of black Americans (looking at data from 40 states, the ones that report based on race).

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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How in the world can "80%" of Democrats have taken at least one shot, when only 34% of black people have taken at least one shot?

I don't deny that Republicans are less likely to be willing to be injected with this poison. But that's not because Republican politicians (or Fox News) are telling them "don't take the vaccine". Like I said, about 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines on their constituents, including the Bad Orange Man himself. Republican voters just so happen to be the more intelligent portion of the population...demonstrated by their higher level of distrust of the government and Establishment.

That said, the low rate of vaccination of black Americans is probably on par with the low rate among Republicans at large. Black Americans also appear to have a deep distrust of the government and Establishment in general.

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Saw something today that overlay the states by POTUS victor with vaccination rates, and the conclusion they drew was that Dem states were much higher % of vaccination. Of course, the highest states were predominantly the extremely Dem-leaning New England states.

But I too think that the black / hispanic vacc rates have to be lagging behind.
And so seems that the reasons those states are so much higher is due to the age of the population? Aren't most of those NE states predominantly the states with the oldest populations, which would be a great reason for them to be more vaccinated?

I'm sure these demographic data exists...and perhaps its published..

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Speaking of politicizing the virus, they're making the kids that are shagging balls in the outfield at the home run derby wear masks. Science.

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packgrad said:

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Speaking of politicizing the virus, they're making the kids that are shagging balls in the outfield at the home run derby wear masks. Science.

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PARIS, July 12 (Reuters) - All health workers in France must get COVID-19 jabs and anyone wanting to get into a cinema or board a train will need to show proof of vaccination or a negative test under new rules announced by President Emmanuel Macron on Monday.

Unveiling sweeping measures to combat a surge in infections, Macron said vaccination would not be compulsory for the general public for now but stressed that restrictions would focus on those who are not vaccinated.

"We must go towards vaccination of all French people, it is the only way towards a normal life," Macron said in a televised address to the nation.

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Speaking of politicizing the virus, they're making the kids that are shagging balls in the outfield at the home run derby wear masks. Science.

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I'm not watching, but Yeah, that's going overboard and seems for show.

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Mormad said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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GP coming in strong in BBW's absence...

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Wait. They're not the same guy?

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GuerrillaPack said:

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DLokit, thanks for the message of support. What were you searching on Google that lead you to this forum? And what part of the world are you from?

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TheStorm said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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There's a HUGE disconnect in these numbers being "reported" for vaccination rates...as with all sorts of reported "data" (for "cases", "covid deaths", etc) regarding this Covid clown show. This article here (written just a few days ago) has analyzed the CDC data and says that only 47% of white Americans have received at least one dose, and only 34% of black Americans (looking at data from 40 states, the ones that report based on race).

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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How in the world can "80%" of Democrats have taken at least one shot, when only 34% of black people have taken at least one shot?

I don't deny that Republicans are less likely to be willing to be injected with this poison. But that's not because Republican politicians (or Fox News) are telling them "don't take the vaccine". Like I said, about 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines on their constituents, including the Bad Orange Man himself. Republican voters just so happen to be the more intelligent portion of the population...demonstrated by their higher level of distrust of the government and Establishment.

That said, the low rate of vaccination of black Americans is probably on par with the low rate among Republicans at large. Black Americans also appear to have a deep distrust of the government and Establishment in general.

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It's easy to write a report nowadays and make it say exactly what you want it to... please remember that we have an unbiased media that is 100% trustworthy.

That drivel that Civ posted is just another example of "cooked numbers" to continue the ongoing politicization of covid... and by the way GP - like it or not - so is the Red State / Blue State chart that 91 is talking about (that you posted here a couple of weeks back).

Also, didn't someone post 2-3 weeks ago some numbers on North Carolina specific that Asians were getting vaccinated at a higher rate than Whites? Why are the citizens of Japan so dramatically different in rates than Asians in NC?

Seems like some want to continue to try to pigeon hole some of us into certain groups to fit their own political needs... and you can make a "report" show whatever you want it to now. That's why I don't believe 75% of what comes out of "mainstream" media anymore... Cue up the bogus media chart showing ABC, CBS, NBC sitting perfectly right in the middle of being "unbiased" - and then watch the news one night... I used to watch ABC every. single. night. Now, I haven't watched it for more than 5 minutes in at least 2 years.

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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There's a HUGE disconnect in these numbers being "reported" for vaccination rates...as with all sorts of reported "data" (for "cases", "covid deaths", etc) regarding this Covid clown show. This article here (written just a few days ago) has analyzed the CDC data and says that only 47% of white Americans have received at least one dose, and only 34% of black Americans (looking at data from 40 states, the ones that report based on race).

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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How in the world can "80%" of Democrats have taken at least one shot, when only 34% of black people have taken at least one shot?

I don't deny that Republicans are less likely to be willing to be injected with this poison. But that's not because Republican politicians (or Fox News) are telling them "don't take the vaccine". Like I said, about 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines on their constituents, including the Bad Orange Man himself. Republican voters just so happen to be the more intelligent portion of the population...demonstrated by their higher level of distrust of the government and Establishment.

That said, the low rate of vaccination of black Americans is probably on par with the low rate among Republicans at large. Black Americans also appear to have a deep distrust of the government and Establishment in general.

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It's easy to write a report nowadays and make it say exactly what you want it to... please remember that we have an unbiased media that is 100% trustworthy.

That drivel that Civ posted is just another example of "cooked numbers" to continue the ongoing politicization of covid... and by the way GP - like it or not - so is the Red State / Blue State chart that 91 is talking about (that you posted here a couple of weeks back).

Also, didn't someone post 2-3 weeks ago some numbers on North Carolina specific that Asians were getting vaccinated at a higher rate than Whites? Why are the citizens of Japan so dramatically different in rates than Asians in NC?

Seems like some want to continue to try to pigeon hole some of us into certain groups to fit their own political needs... and you can make a "report" show whatever you want it to now. That's why I don't believe 75% of what comes out of "mainstream" media anymore... Cue up the bogus media chart showing ABC, CBS, NBC sitting perfectly right in the middle of being "unbiased" - and then watch the news one night... I used to watch ABC every. single. night. Now, I haven't watched it for more than 5 minutes in at least 2 years.

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The "drivel I posted" was from the Wall Street Journal, not some liberal rag.

You can look at public vaxx rates by State and observe the same.

Give me some data, any reasonable data, that corroborates your assertion that vaxx rates are relatively evenly distributed across parties.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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MayorStoner said:

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People either getting vaccinated or getting sick is what will lead us there. If people would get vaccinated then this corner turn would come quicker....however, the vaccinations have now been politicized and people's egos wont allow them to get vaccinated.

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The "politicization" is not the problem. 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines as well, including Trump who created the "operation warp speed" to produce the vaccines. The real reason why ~30-40% of the population refuses to take the vaccines is because the do not trust that these vaccines are "safe" and/or believe that vaccines are harmful, including many people who believe that there is a nefarious reason why vaccines are pushed on the population (to deliberately cause harm to those taking the vaccines). And that includes many people who are democrats who refuse to take the vaccines. Black Americans have the lowest vaccination rate of any racial demographic group -- many of which do not trust vaccines due to things like the Tuskegee experiment.

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There's no one, singular problem.

But don't kid yourself, vaccine politicization is a huge problem.

As of last month, 50% of Republicans had had at least one shot, compared with 80%+ for Dems.

27% of Pubs are outright refusing vaccines, compared with 3% of Dems doing the same.

There is tremendous GOP resistance to vaccines. Vaccine adoption breaks more strongly among political lines than any other demographic data category, except for age.

We can all argue about how we got here, but let's not sugarcoat where we are.

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There's a HUGE disconnect in these numbers being "reported" for vaccination rates...as with all sorts of reported "data" (for "cases", "covid deaths", etc) regarding this Covid clown show. This article here (written just a few days ago) has analyzed the CDC data and says that only 47% of white Americans have received at least one dose, and only 34% of black Americans (looking at data from 40 states, the ones that report based on race).

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Overall, across these 40 states, the percent of White people who have received at least one COVID-19 vaccine dose (47%) was roughly 1.4 times higher than the rate for Black people (34%) and 1.2 times higher than the rate for Hispanic people (39%) as of July 6, 2021.

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How in the world can "80%" of Democrats have taken at least one shot, when only 34% of black people have taken at least one shot?

I don't deny that Republicans are less likely to be willing to be injected with this poison. But that's not because Republican politicians (or Fox News) are telling them "don't take the vaccine". Like I said, about 99% of Republican politicians are pushing the vaccines on their constituents, including the Bad Orange Man himself. Republican voters just so happen to be the more intelligent portion of the population...demonstrated by their higher level of distrust of the government and Establishment.

That said, the low rate of vaccination of black Americans is probably on par with the low rate among Republicans at large. Black Americans also appear to have a deep distrust of the government and Establishment in general.

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It's easy to write a report nowadays and make it say exactly what you want it to... please remember that we have an unbiased media that is 100% trustworthy.

That drivel that Civ posted is just another example of "cooked numbers" to continue the ongoing politicization of covid... and by the way GP - like it or not - so is the Red State / Blue State chart that 91 is talking about (that you posted here a couple of weeks back).

Also, didn't someone post 2-3 weeks ago some numbers on North Carolina specific that Asians were getting vaccinated at a higher rate than Whites? Why are the citizens of Japan so dramatically different in rates than Asians in NC?

Seems like some want to continue to try to pigeon hole some of us into certain groups to fit their own political needs... and you can make a "report" show whatever you want it to now. That's why I don't believe 75% of what comes out of "mainstream" media anymore... Cue up the bogus media chart showing ABC, CBS, NBC sitting perfectly right in the middle of being "unbiased" - and then watch the news one night... I used to watch ABC every. single. night. Now, I haven't watched it for more than 5 minutes in at least 2 years.

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The "drivel I posted" was from the Wall Street Journal, not some liberal rag.

You can look at public vaxx rates by State and observe the same.

Give me some data, any reasonable data, that corroborates your assertion that vaxx rates are relatively evenly distributed across parties.

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Civ, the Wall Street Journal may not be a liberal rag; however, the world isn't completely left/right in the normal sense. We also have Globalist/Corporatist vs Nationalist. The Wall Street Journalist is on the Globalist/Corporatist side of things.

I'm not saying I disagree with the data supplied; rather, I have a guarded opinion on many news outlets anymore. The agendas, of each, are so mixed, its just crazy... I don't even know what to believe!!!

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Yes, @EricTopol , the data from Israel and Singapore are so reassuring that the vaccines work against the delta variant. Real world data put together with antibody + B cell + T cell data. https://t.co/dQTfc5TBRg

— Monica Gandhi MD, MPH (@MonicaGandhi9) July 13, 2021

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Perfect example of the quandary we are in now. For the last year, we've heard "follow the science", or you must be a mouth-breathing fundamentalist boob. Now, California is going to go against CDC guidance and make all kids wear masks in school, even if vaccinated.....because they don't want kids to be tagged unfairly, or to look different.

California K-12 students who refuse to wear masks will be barred from school grounds, state says | Fox News

Well, isn't that ironic. So....follow the science, until science hurts someone's feelings?
Will the media, will the Governor, will the POTUS call out the CA School system for going against science, or give them a pass because its a unique use case?

*And I don't even lose sleep over the decision...wearing masks isn't going to hurt anyone, even if its not overly protective. But its the hypocrisy of the situation I find frustrating...and continues to drive the divide in Americans.

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Agree with most of what you said. However, there is the argument (well-founded IMO) that wearing of masks causes psychological harm to young children - hindering their social development, as they cannot see the facial expressions of others, etc.

And actually, it harms adults as well, for the same reasons. It "dehumanizes" us all, to an extent - lowering our social interactions, and making those interactions less pleasant. It makes the world a more cold, dull, unhappy place.

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hokiewolf said:

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Been casually keeping up with the news, but it seems pretty disgusting that some outlets are absolutely salivating at the idea of this delta variant wrecking havoc in red states. What a crazy stance to be in.

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