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Research has shown that vaccination will play a decisive role in the successful control of the COVID-19 pandemic. Japan, however, is clearly lagging behind other high-income countries in its vaccine rollout; indeed, it is experiencing a unique and complex situation with respect to vaccine hesitancy.

Contrary to recent Western "anti-vax" narratives that largely stem from misinformation, Japan's reluctance towards immunization is fuelled by a lengthy history with vaccine safety incidents. This history propelled the government to adopt a risk-averse strategy mainly to avoid liability from vaccine side effects, resulting in significant damages to the country's domestic vaccine manufacturing capacity as well as decreased public trust in vaccines. This has put Japan at a disadvantage in its battle against COVID-19, especially as Japan battles through a fourth wave of infections and as the government appears determined to proceed with hosting the Tokyo Olympics this summer.

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For the earlier debate on government pursuing the unvaccinated and reasons why.....found this study published by U of Minn Center for Infectious Disease Research. I have no idea of their political leanings.

Poorer US counties have lower COVID-19 vaccine uptake | CIDRAP (umn.edu)

Last paragraph talks about some of the reasons why lower socioeconomic areas have lower vaccination rates....and touch on some of the ideas Statefan91 proffered. Also article called out why those very same groups are the ones who likely are most at need to be vaccinated.

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" The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment."

Zero data to support that. Nonsense to assume that percentages are down in affected counties due to not knowing whether vaccine is free or having ability to get vaccine information or schedule an appointment. It's typical propaganda to support the government.

To sum up the study for those that don't want to read it, they say poor people and black people are not getting vaccines in similar percentages to other groups. Then the authors took liberty with the reason why "Because they're stupid and can't get on the internet", but using politically correct wording.

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statefan91 said:

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Technically there's multiple studies that we've linked to that you are calling BS on with no reason other than your own assumptions and observations. Not sure how you can get much more "message board guy" than that.

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packgrad said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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For the earlier debate on government pursuing the unvaccinated and reasons why.....found this study published by U of Minn Center for Infectious Disease Research. I have no idea of their political leanings.

Poorer US counties have lower COVID-19 vaccine uptake | CIDRAP (umn.edu)

Last paragraph talks about some of the reasons why lower socioeconomic areas have lower vaccination rates....and touch on some of the ideas Statefan91 proffered. Also article called out why those very same groups are the ones who likely are most at need to be vaccinated.

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" The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment."

Zero data to support that. Nonsense to assume that percentages are down in affected counties due to not knowing whether vaccine is free or having ability to get vaccine information or schedule an appointment. It's typical propaganda to support the government.

To sum up the study for those that don't want to read it, they say poor people and black people are not getting vaccines in similar percentages to other groups. Then the authors took liberty with the reason why "Because they're stupid and can't get on the internet", but using politically correct wording.

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Right...pictures of a dumptrack radio station message is a much better way to disprove that, right?

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Message board guy comeback. Congratulations on zero substance. Sorry I think your study is nonsense.

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• States with higher proportions of single parent households
• States with higher percent of households without internet
• States with lower percent of residents with bachelors degree or higher
• States with higher percent of uninsured residents
• States with lower household income

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Got it - I had replied to you on a previous page with this link so you can read this study:

Here is an analysis that shows correlation of lower vaccination rates with the following:

• States with higher proportions of single parent households
• States with higher percent of households without internet
• States with lower percent of residents with bachelors degree or higher
• States with higher percent of uninsured residents
• States with lower household income

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-privilege-gaps-between-states/

If the question is where to concentrate additional information and make it easier to get vaccinated, it makes sense to focus on those locations, which was the original question posed.

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Stepping out of the corral for a moment, the authors do appear to be glossing over the justification for their reasoning. Perhaps this is due to lack of data or a need to limit article length and complexity. Over-simplification sounds like racial profiling to some and simple opinion to others. Regardless, they didn't present data to justify reasons for their conclusions, unless I missed it.

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The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment.

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Stepping out of the corral for a moment, the authors do appear to be glossing over the justification for their reasoning. Perhaps this is due to lack of data or a need to limit article length and complexity. Over-simplification sounds like racial profiling to some and simple opinion to others. Regardless, they didn't present data to justify reasons for their conclusions, unless I missed it.

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The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment.

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Got it - I had replied to you on a previous page with this link so you can read this study:

Here is an analysis that shows correlation of lower vaccination rates with the following:

• States with higher proportions of single parent households
• States with higher percent of households without internet
• States with lower percent of residents with bachelors degree or higher
• States with higher percent of uninsured residents
• States with lower household income

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-privilege-gaps-between-states/

If the question is where to concentrate additional information and make it easier to get vaccinated, it makes sense to focus on those locations, which was the original question posed.

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Ok. I read it this time. I think that is more an opinion piece, but forgetting that, it does nothing to dissuade my opinion that people have had ample opportunity and time to get the vaccine if they so desire. Government officials going door to door is a waste of time and money.

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packgrad said:

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Got it - I had replied to you on a previous page with this link so you can read this study:

Here is an analysis that shows correlation of lower vaccination rates with the following:

• States with higher proportions of single parent households
• States with higher percent of households without internet
• States with lower percent of residents with bachelors degree or higher
• States with higher percent of uninsured residents
• States with lower household income

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-privilege-gaps-between-states/

If the question is where to concentrate additional information and make it easier to get vaccinated, it makes sense to focus on those locations, which was the original question posed.

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Ok. I read it this time. I think that is more an opinion piece, but forgetting that, it does nothing to dissuade my opinion that people have had ample opportunity and time to get the vaccine if they so desire. Government officials going door to door is a waste of time and money.

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At some point, the people need to be responsible for themselves, regardless of circumstance. Relying on the government is a crutch. It's not a solution, no matter how much anyone says it is.

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Stepping out of the corral for a moment, the authors do appear to be glossing over the justification for their reasoning. Perhaps this is due to lack of data or a need to limit article length and complexity. Over-simplification sounds like racial profiling to some and simple opinion to others. Regardless, they didn't present data to justify reasons for their conclusions, unless I missed it.

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The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment.

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Could be....maybe the researchers are relying on the typical factors that prevent these same people from getting dialysis care, preventative dental care, prenatal care, cancer screenings, etc.....different issues, but usually the same preventative measures that limit their taking advantage of things most of us are able to do.

I'm sure google is full of other analysis that studies average reasons why certain groups are less likely to get the vaccination. Do you think those reasons will be the same for Anson County as they are for Western Union County (I think you are a UC guy??).
I wonder how many of those analysis will point to the reasons above.....

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PackFansXL said:

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Stepping out of the corral for a moment, the authors do appear to be glossing over the justification for their reasoning. Perhaps this is due to lack of data or a need to limit article length and complexity. Over-simplification sounds like racial profiling to some and simple opinion to others. Regardless, they didn't present data to justify reasons for their conclusions, unless I missed it.

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The authors also pointed out that uninsured or low-income residents may see their healthcare providers less, not understand that vaccines are free, and have less access to the technology needed to gather vaccine information and make an appointment.

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Could be....maybe the researchers are relying on the typical factors that prevent these same people from getting dialysis care, preventative dental care, prenatal care, cancer screenings, etc.....different issues, but usually the same preventative measures that limit their taking advantage of things most of us are able to do.

I'm sure google is full of other analysis that studies average reasons why certain groups are less likely to get the vaccination. Do you think those reasons will be the same for Anson County as they are for Western Union County (I think you are a UC guy??).
I wonder how many of those analysis will point to the reasons above.....

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You may be right, but you know what they say about assuming. I don't know about why folks choose not to get vaccinated. I have several family members who have been exposed to all the medical info but remain in the hesitant group. I have presented the arguments for vaccination with each of them but only one finally gave in. His job announced they were going to reopen the office and anyone who wasn't vaccinated had to wear a mask all day. He didn't want to do that.

You are correct about my history with UC. I grew up in Marshville 40years ago. I hear things have changed a great deal on the western end of the county and are beginning to change in the Marshville area as well.

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Lol. You just love making up positions people have. People have had ample time and opportunity to get the info they need. Comprende? Waste of time and money sending Covid missionaries knocking on doors.

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Lol. You just love making up positions people have. People have had ample time and opportunity to get the info they need. Comprende? Waste of time and money sending Covid missionaries knocking on doors.

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I said, "...thats why we should not just assume people have gotten all the "factual" info they need, as packgrad and king want to do".

How are these two statements out of sync? you claim they have, I argue they have not.

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Lol. You just love making up positions people have. People have had ample time and opportunity to get the info they need. Comprende? Waste of time and money sending Covid missionaries knocking on doors.

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I said, "...thats why we should not just assume people have gotten all the "factual" info they need, as packgrad and king want to do".

How are these two statements out of sync? you claim they have, I argue they have not.

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You don't understand the difference between saying someone has had ample time and opportunity to get information and people getting all of the prescribed "factual information they need ? Ok. Some people just like to argue over nothing. I'll stop obliging you in that subject.

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packgrad said:

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Lol. You just love making up positions people have. People have had ample time and opportunity to get the info they need. Comprende? Waste of time and money sending Covid missionaries knocking on doors.

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Mormad said:

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Quick thoughts:

If you look up in the ER and see GP's registered head nurse taking care of you, drag ass out of that gurney and run, crawl, or slide out of there. Quickly.

An article that is an opinion piece by knowledgeable people who use experience and training as "data" can still be useful. We listen to Gibby tell us we're gonna be "really really good" and we cheer, but that's really just an opinion piece. He just happens to have a knowledgeable opinion.

There are veritable shtloads of reasons people get or avoid the vax. MOST of the reasons are either uninformed, poorly informed, misconstrued, or emotional imho (both ways). There has been ample opportunity to become informed, but most haven't taken the time to listen or the things they've "learned" are either wrong or misunderstood or could be proven wrong or they've had personal biases that make them either roll up their sleeves or roll down their sleeves. Do we really think most lay people making decisions about vaccines have become vaccine experts and are sophisticated enough to understand the ins and outs of their decisions? No way.

Whole lot of black and white arguments here about things that simply aren't black and white yet. When people here get dogmatic about what they think they know, i just smile. All any of us can say right now about the virus/vax/variants, and believe me that includes me, PA, Wayland and Davie, is that "this is what i THINK based on the information that we know right NOW, but that's subject to change at just about any time as this virus does its thing."

But by all means carry on. This is better than HBO max.

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Mormad said:

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Quick thoughts:


There are veritable shtloads of reasons people get or avoid the vax. MOST of the reasons are either uninformed, poorly informed, misconstrued, or emotional imho (both ways). There has been ample opportunity to become informed, but most haven't taken the time to listen or the things they've "learned" are either wrong or misunderstood or could be proven wrong or they've had personal biases that make them either roll up their sleeves or roll down their sleeves. Do we really think most lay people making decisions about vaccines have become vaccine experts and are sophisticated enough to understand the ins and outs of their decisions? No way.

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Do we really think those people are going to change their minds because government Covid missionaries knock on their doors? No way.

Waste of time and money.

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Mormad said:

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Quick thoughts:

If you look up in the ER and see GP's registered head nurse taking care of you, drag ass out of that gurney and run, crawl, or slide out of there. Quickly.

An article that is an opinion piece by knowledgeable people who use experience and training as "data" can still be useful. We listen to Gibby tell us we're gonna be "really really good" and we cheer, but that's really just an opinion piece. He just happens to have a knowledgeable opinion.

There are veritable shtloads of reasons people get or avoid the vax. MOST of the reasons are either uninformed, poorly informed, misconstrued, or emotional imho (both ways). There has been ample opportunity to become informed, but most haven't taken the time to listen or the things they've "learned" are either wrong or misunderstood or could be proven wrong or they've had personal biases that make them either roll up their sleeves or roll down their sleeves. Do we really think most lay people making decisions about vaccines have become vaccine experts and are sophisticated enough to understand the ins and outs of their decisions? No way.

Whole lot of black and white arguments here about things that simply aren't black and white yet. When people here get dogmatic about what they think they know, i just smile. All any of us can say right now about the virus/vax/variants, and believe me that includes me, PA, Wayland and Davie, is that "this is what i THINK based on the information that we know right NOW, but that's subject to change at just about any time as this virus does its thing."

But by all means carry on. This is better than HBO max.

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