Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Right --- i think its been more prevalent that I would have expected, frankly. Certainly by far the majority are w/o masks. And outdoors -- the only people I've seen have been some elderly folks.packgrad said:Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Nope. None. Didn't go to the doctors office over the weekend though.
To be fair, I didn't take a census. Just the people I interacted with.
Packchem91 said:Right --- i think its been more prevalent that I would have expected, frankly. Certainly by far the majority are w/o masks. And outdoors -- the only people I've seen have been some elderly folks.packgrad said:Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Nope. None. Didn't go to the doctors office over the weekend though.
To be fair, I didn't take a census. Just the people I interacted with.
But was in Costco last TH or so, and number of folks there still had them. And still see both young and old customers in some other big-box stores (higher volume of people) with masks. But highest volume seems t be amongst staff in stores/restaurants.
As for doctor's / PT offices....I've been to 3-4 different places over the past month, and everyone of them have still required.
Good news is -- any limitation of "doing stuff" seems to be long gone. Everywhere seems crowded again - not just touristy places, but just the every day life places are swarmed with people
I'll be honest, I've not paid attention to anything on that other than notices from my school system -- are there places considering doing something different than that at this point?Wayland said:Packchem91 said:Right --- i think its been more prevalent that I would have expected, frankly. Certainly by far the majority are w/o masks. And outdoors -- the only people I've seen have been some elderly folks.packgrad said:Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Nope. None. Didn't go to the doctors office over the weekend though.
To be fair, I didn't take a census. Just the people I interacted with.
But was in Costco last TH or so, and number of folks there still had them. And still see both young and old customers in some other big-box stores (higher volume of people) with masks. But highest volume seems t be amongst staff in stores/restaurants.
As for doctor's / PT offices....I've been to 3-4 different places over the past month, and everyone of them have still required.
Good news is -- any limitation of "doing stuff" seems to be long gone. Everywhere seems crowded again - not just touristy places, but just the every day life places are swarmed with people
Now, if we can just get everyone on board with schools being full and open, in person, with no restrictions (or theater).
Yes. The teachers unions are still off their rockers. So any impact they may have politically could affect the kids.Packchem91 said:I'll be honest, I've not paid attention to anything on that other than notices from my school system -- are there places considering doing something different than that at this point?Wayland said:Packchem91 said:Right --- i think its been more prevalent that I would have expected, frankly. Certainly by far the majority are w/o masks. And outdoors -- the only people I've seen have been some elderly folks.packgrad said:Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Nope. None. Didn't go to the doctors office over the weekend though.
To be fair, I didn't take a census. Just the people I interacted with.
But was in Costco last TH or so, and number of folks there still had them. And still see both young and old customers in some other big-box stores (higher volume of people) with masks. But highest volume seems t be amongst staff in stores/restaurants.
As for doctor's / PT offices....I've been to 3-4 different places over the past month, and everyone of them have still required.
Good news is -- any limitation of "doing stuff" seems to be long gone. Everywhere seems crowded again - not just touristy places, but just the every day life places are swarmed with people
Now, if we can just get everyone on board with schools being full and open, in person, with no restrictions (or theater).
(NOTE: I assume there will be media chatter of something more restricted as long as all the fear-mongering of variants are out there).
Ahhhh, unions. Welp, there you go.Wayland said:Yes. The teachers unions are still off their rockers. So any impact they may have politically could affect the kids.Packchem91 said:I'll be honest, I've not paid attention to anything on that other than notices from my school system -- are there places considering doing something different than that at this point?Wayland said:Packchem91 said:Right --- i think its been more prevalent that I would have expected, frankly. Certainly by far the majority are w/o masks. And outdoors -- the only people I've seen have been some elderly folks.packgrad said:Packchem91 said:Not even employees? I seem to still see kitchen staff and servers wearing masks in some (not all) local restaurants, though my local CFA seems to have just dropped its requirement for employees I noticed this AM.packgrad said:
Was in OIB for the holiday weekend. Did not see ONE person wearing a mask in any grocery store, restaurant, or retail shop we stopped in. The dance is over.
And still see doctors offices with requirement for masks.
Nope. None. Didn't go to the doctors office over the weekend though.
To be fair, I didn't take a census. Just the people I interacted with.
But was in Costco last TH or so, and number of folks there still had them. And still see both young and old customers in some other big-box stores (higher volume of people) with masks. But highest volume seems t be amongst staff in stores/restaurants.
As for doctor's / PT offices....I've been to 3-4 different places over the past month, and everyone of them have still required.
Good news is -- any limitation of "doing stuff" seems to be long gone. Everywhere seems crowded again - not just touristy places, but just the every day life places are swarmed with people
Now, if we can just get everyone on board with schools being full and open, in person, with no restrictions (or theater).
(NOTE: I assume there will be media chatter of something more restricted as long as all the fear-mongering of variants are out there).
Haaa...i played golf yesterday too, and with no breeze, it was hot. Can't imagine the mindset to wear a mask if you're paying golf by yourself (or even with others).johntom said:
I played golf yesterday and the dude behind us was playing by himself and wearing a mask. I'm done with them but won't make fun of people wearing them in a store or crowded setting if they're still that scared. Wearing one outside on a 92 degree day when you're by yourself is just stupid though.
Ask a wrestler... obviously she's trying to work up a sweat... not the longterm solution, but definitely makes her feel better when she gets back home and gets on the scale checking to see if she is "still holding serve".Packchem91 said:johntom said:
Then, I see a lady walking near my 'hood every morning, wearing long pants, a heavier jacket, a hat and a mask. I've so badly wanted to stop her to ask why, and if it was more stupid to be wearing a jacket when its this warm, or a mask.
Yes, stupidity is indeed bi-partisan.ciscopack said:
GOP governors implore residents to overcome vaccine hesitancy as delta variant rises
Haaa...I told my wife that when we started seeing her, "hey, maybe she's on a weigh loss regimen"....TheStorm said:Ask a wrestler... obviously she's trying to work up a sweat... not the longterm solution, but definitely makes her feel better when she gets back home and gets on the scale checking to see if she is "still holding serve".Packchem91 said:johntom said:
Then, I see a lady walking near my 'hood every morning, wearing long pants, a heavier jacket, a hat and a mask. I've so badly wanted to stop her to ask why, and if it was more stupid to be wearing a jacket when its this warm, or a mask.
Not against you on this one my friend, your logic is "dead on".
Jen Psaki: We will be going door-to-door to Americans who have not been vaccinated pic.twitter.com/S70VjPojfj
— Caleb Hull (@CalebJHull) July 6, 2021
BBW12OG said:
Wait until they start requiring "proof of vaccination" in order to receive government benefits, medicaid, medicare and IRS refunds.... It's coming...she just said the quiet part out loud. How do the "door knockers" know who has and who hasn't been vaccinated?
Way to go lefties... way to go. If we had a legit media that wasn't the propaganda arm for the left then this would be a hell of a story. Too bad the party that is leading this country into a divide doesn't care about anything other than maintaining power, single-party rule and making sure that the coastal elites lord over the rest of the country could care less.
Yeah... we listened to you and your lefties for four years on what President Trump said. You and your ilk took words and twisted them into what you wanted them to mean. What she said is that they are going "door to door" about vaccinations.Civilized said:BBW12OG said:
Wait until they start requiring "proof of vaccination" in order to receive government benefits, medicaid, medicare and IRS refunds.... It's coming...she just said the quiet part out loud. How do the "door knockers" know who has and who hasn't been vaccinated?
Way to go lefties... way to go. If we had a legit media that wasn't the propaganda arm for the left then this would be a hell of a story. Too bad the party that is leading this country into a divide doesn't care about anything other than maintaining power, single-party rule and making sure that the coastal elites lord over the rest of the country could care less.
Listen to the clip.
She did not say what Caleb Hull says she said.
And you're extrapolating and catastrophizing from his same erroneous point of origin.
Absolutely...... let's make sure we indoctrinate all the people in areas we need votes from that haven't had the vaccine... you know what demographic is the most reluctant?statefan91 said:
Yep - I listened to the clip - "door to door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated by ensuring they have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is"
BBW12OG said:Yeah... we listened to you and your lefties for four years on what President Trump said. You and your ilk took words and twisted them into what you wanted them to mean. What she said is that they are going "door to door" about vaccinations.Civilized said:BBW12OG said:
Wait until they start requiring "proof of vaccination" in order to receive government benefits, medicaid, medicare and IRS refunds.... It's coming...she just said the quiet part out loud. How do the "door knockers" know who has and who hasn't been vaccinated?
Way to go lefties... way to go. If we had a legit media that wasn't the propaganda arm for the left then this would be a hell of a story. Too bad the party that is leading this country into a divide doesn't care about anything other than maintaining power, single-party rule and making sure that the coastal elites lord over the rest of the country could care less.
Listen to the clip.
She did not say what Caleb Hull says she said.
And you're extrapolating and catastrophizing from his same erroneous point of origin.
Spin it how you want. I figured the lefties would. Like I said.. I have toned it down and I will continue to do so. Just know your hypocrisy is damn laughable. Appreciate you commenting and solidifying what I have been saying for months.
The fact you see nothing wrong with how she responded speaks volumes.
1. Neighborhoods that have low vaccination rates. That information is readily available on any public State COVID dashboard. Here is the one for NC if you would like it by county: https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/vaccinationsQuote:
- What neighborhoods are your comrades going to target?
- What demographics?
- How do the "door knockers" know who hasn't been vaccinated?
- What type of information is being disseminated by these "door knockers?"
- Is this going to be a bi-partisan undertaking or is it a left wing only attempt at further instilling fear into the most vulnerable in order to maintain power?
So they can mobilize to promote a vaccine that is totally voluntary in order to push a narrative that they are constantly changing, "updating" and urge people to take a shot that they can't guarantee that it works well enough that they don't need to wear masks? Got it.statefan91 said:1. Neighborhoods that have low vaccination rates. That information is readily available on any public State COVID dashboard. Here is the one for NC if you would like it by county: https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/vaccinationsQuote:
What neighborhoods are your comrades going to target?
- What demographics?
- How do the "door knockers" know who hasn't been vaccinated?
- What type of information is being disseminated by these "door knockers?"
- Is this going to be a bi-partisan undertaking or is it a left wing only attempt at further instilling fear into the most vulnerable in order to maintain power?
2. The demographics of the places with low vaccination rates. You can also find significant amounts of information on public State COVID dashboards. Here is the one for NC if you would it by race / gender / age / etc.: https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/dashboard/vaccinations
3. Likely they will canvas areas that with low vaccination rates to share information on safety and efficacy, much like any other canvassing effort (girl scout cookies, census, boy scout popcorn, politicians, vacuum salespeople)
4. Probably information on the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.
5. I'm sure the Biden administration would like to partner with any other politicians and policy makers that want to help get the country vaccinated.
1. I don't think there was a question in there.BBW12OG said:
1. So they can mobilize to promote a vaccine that is totally voluntary in order to push a narrative that they are constantly changing, "updating" and urge people to take a shot that they can't guarantee that it works well enough that they don't need to wear masks? Got it.
2. If they are that good at mobilizing why can't they mobilize people to get IDs in order to vote? 3. If they have the resources to push a vaccine on the "same people" that can't seem to be able to get an ID surely they could help them out with that as well right?
4. As far as the safety and efficacy why don't you share with us the latest greatest on the Delta Variant and the Lambda Variant and how your MSM overlords are already hyping it up as "affecting" the Red States at a higher rate than blue. The Delta, not the Lambda... they are saving that one for later.
5. And exactly how good is that information you provided? Do you blindly trust every government agency? Of course you do. You and the lefties love being spoon fed everything from the government. Makes it easier to not have to think for yourself! FACT.
It's a load of BS about how the extremes were and have been taken when a simple solution would have yielded the same results. I'm sure you are still masked up and will be until you are told otherwise by your handlers.
Government intervention should be used only when it is the last absolute option. Forcing the government will on the people isn't freedom. It's what created this country and what will ultimately decide it's fate. I know what side I am on and I am damn certain it ain't the one you support.
Here are a few quotes from one of the greatest Presidents ever. President Ronald Reagan -
Government Is the Problem
- Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives. (Speaking at the National Conference of the Building and Construction Trades, AFL-CIO on March 30, 1981)
- Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.
- Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. (First Inaugural Address on January 20, 1981)
- Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other. (Reagan during his gubernatorial campaign in 1965)
- Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets. (Address to the Nation on the Fiscal Year 1983 Federal Budget on April 29, 1982)
I know this flies in the face of your SOCIALIST/MARXIST dreams for this country but as long as there are people that are willing to call you and your ilk out for it I think we will be just fine. Even if you have the fancy "high repeating rifles..." that one of your comrades speaks of.
LMAO....
I will happily await your responses.Quote:
1. I don't think there was a question in there. Absolutely there was. If the vaccines work so well then why are the lefties still masking up? Are you still wearing a mask? Inquiring minds want to know.
2. I'm sure there will be many organizations mobilizing to help people get IDs if that is implemented as a requirement to vote. If that's the case then why haven't they done more to ensure that the ID deprived individuals don't already have ID's? You need an ID to cash a check, pick up a package, buy lottery tickets, purchase cigarettes, alcohol, enter certain establishments. Are you saying that demographic doesn't do any of these things? Are you saying they are incapable of obtaining an ID? Do explain.
3. I'm not sure what the venn diagram would like of people that haven't gotten the vaccine compared to people that haven't gotten an ID but I'm sure they would be happy to help people get IDs. You provided the data. What "people" are you referring to? You know the "people" you and the rest of your comrades have kept under your thumb for 50+ years in order to maintain your voting block. Go ahead and provide the information for us. I provide information on nearly every argument I make. Your turn.
4. Early reports out of Israel says Pfizer may not be as effective against Delta but they are still collecting data, thankfully it still protects well against severe cases: https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-is-less-effective-against-delta-variant-israeli-data-show-11625572796. I'm guessing the second part of yours is more that they think States with lower vaccination rates are more susceptible to COVID spread. So how many vaccines, boosters etc.. are we going to have to take? And you know as well as I do this is all about mail-in voting, extended voting days in order to assure another win in 2022 for your SOCIALIST/MARXIST Party. Please try and deny that one.
5. I don't know how good the data is, probably not great based on Wayland's posts, but there doesn't seem to be much cost / benefit to fudging demographic data. Really? You don't think that the data being fudged doesn't provide your MSM overlords more fodder to disparage any contradiction to the left's narrative? I would have thought you to be more informed than that. That is all I am going to say about that comment.
1. Vaccines aren't perfect but it doesn't seem like any State is locked down at this point. The only mask mandates that I know of are unvaccinated children in education settings (like my 5 yr old at daycare) and public transportation.BBW12OG said:I will happily await your responses.Quote:
1. I don't think there was a question in there. Absolutely there was. If the vaccines work so well then why are the lefties still masking up? Are you still wearing a mask? Inquiring minds want to know.
2. I'm sure there will be many organizations mobilizing to help people get IDs if that is implemented as a requirement to vote. If that's the case then why haven't they done more to ensure that the ID deprived individuals don't already have ID's? You need an ID to cash a check, pick up a package, buy lottery tickets, purchase cigarettes, alcohol, enter certain establishments. Are you saying that demographic doesn't do any of these things? Are you saying they are incapable of obtaining an ID? Do explain.
3. I'm not sure what the venn diagram would like of people that haven't gotten the vaccine compared to people that haven't gotten an ID but I'm sure they would be happy to help people get IDs. You provided the data. What "people" are you referring to? You know the "people" you and the rest of your comrades have kept under your thumb for 50+ years in order to maintain your voting block. Go ahead and provide the information for us. I provide information on nearly every argument I make. Your turn.
4. Early reports out of Israel says Pfizer may not be as effective against Delta but they are still collecting data, thankfully it still protects well against severe cases: https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-is-less-effective-against-delta-variant-israeli-data-show-11625572796. I'm guessing the second part of yours is more that they think States with lower vaccination rates are more susceptible to COVID spread. So how many vaccines, boosters etc.. are we going to have to take? And you know as well as I do this is all about mail-in voting, extended voting days in order to assure another win in 2022 for your SOCIALIST/MARXIST Party. Please try and deny that one.
5. I don't know how good the data is, probably not great based on Wayland's posts, but there doesn't seem to be much cost / benefit to fudging demographic data. Really? You don't think that the data being fudged doesn't provide your MSM overlords more fodder to disparage any contradiction to the left's narrative? I would have thought you to be more informed than that. That is all I am going to say about that comment.
I already knew you didn't. The fact you fail to see any media bias or manipulation by the media says a lot. At least you are willing to engage. I applaud you for that.Quote:
5. I don't know how good the data is, probably not great based on Wayland's posts, but there doesn't seem to be much cost / benefit to fudging demographic data. Really? You don't think that the data being fudged doesn't provide your MSM overlords more fodder to disparage any contradiction to the left's narrative? I would have thought you to be more informed than that. That is all I am going to say about that comment.
5. No I don't.
They seem low to me when I see my county is still only at 40%....but that is based only on feedback from people I know and have discussed....the only person I've personally heard from who had not gotten the shot was the nurse who gave me my first one -- and she suffered from lupus, so was still working thru the process with her docs.statefan91 said:
I guess I wonder what data you think is being fudged? Do you have estimates of what data on vaccination rates really is?
So its your claim that 100% of the population are informed and have made their decisions? I doubt either of us have empirical data to support it, but I don't buy that.packgrad said:
It's a complete waste of time and money sending people into communities to "educate" them on the virus and vaccines. But that is about what is to be expected from the Democrat party these days. Virtue signaling gestures with zero effect (when they're not ramming through legislation with negative effect).
statefan91 said:
Agreed - probably makes most sense to target places where people haven't had the time to look into the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, whether that's due to lack of resources (internet, personal friends that are in jobs like doctors) , lack of time (working a lot of hours at manual labor jobs that don't allow for browsing the internet and reading), or lack of interest.
You mean like all the kids who just disappeared from schools once everything went virtual....yeah, i think there are plenty of lower income folks whom either lack adequate exposure to the internet, or don't have the support infrastructure, etc to use if effectively.packgrad said:statefan91 said:
Agreed - probably makes most sense to target places where people haven't had the time to look into the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, whether that's due to lack of resources (internet, personal friends that are in jobs like doctors) , lack of time (working a lot of hours at manual labor jobs that don't allow for browsing the internet and reading), or lack of interest.
So "make believe" places in the United States with no internet where people work manual labor jobs that don't allow time to read. Lol. Godalmighty.
