So, are you saying that NC and other Democratic led states did "NOT" use politics when deciding on policy regarding COVID-19? I believe they did as well as certain Republican led States.Packchem91 said:Again, its difficult to have an adult conversation if you choose not to be informed or actually pay attention to what someone says. Also, two things can be true at the same time.....some Trump zealots (and Trump himself) could absolutely have gone overboard with conspiracy theories AND we should have always been very wary of anything the Chinese government said.BBW12OG said:
So Chem is it still a right wing conspiracy theory made up by Trumpies that the virus was man made???? Noticed you haven't acknowledged any of the new information about the lab leak.
Wonder why that is? It won't take much digging to remind folks what you and your lefty buddies have said in the past.
I've said from very early on in this thread the media / left have gone way too far with fear mongering and basically said some things just out of sheer anti-Trump.
The one thing I pushed back on a year ago was where some here were adamant that the only reason NC shut down was to hurt Trump. I thought that was silly (or , if correct, really misjudged) because of course people would / should blame the person who made that decision, just like we're seeing in Cali with the attempted recall.
So please, spend your time going back and looking at my postings in this thread.
We are about to go into a long weekend. So going to be a few days until we get data back.dogplasma said:
As soon as the Covid pressure stared to lift, this thread went south like Sherman.
If you wanted to, you could stop reading at this paragraph right at the beginning --- you've already hit the irrefutable truth that, IMO, has completely damaged the media and its ability to rationally cover a story any further:Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
Twitter had nothing to do with it... they weren't going to support anything that might be construed as helpful to "Trump" in any manner regardless, they were in full-on "electioneering" mode and they don't deserve a pass (or to be presented an "alternative excuse") for any of it. Everyone knows what it was...Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
BBW makes no bones about where he stands politically. Media types try and hide behind objective reporting. So, I would start with more leniency with BBW than Media types...Packchem91 said:If you wanted to, you could stop reading at this paragraph right at the beginning --- you've already hit the irrefutable truth that, IMO, has completely damaged the media and its ability to rationally cover a story any further:Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
What the episode does reveal is the vulnerabilities in the mainstream- and liberal-media ecosystem. Media coverage of the lab-leak hypothesis was a debacle, and a major source of that failure was groupthink cultivated on Twitter.
To me, worse, the activity of journalists on social media migrated from providing actual news updates (particularly for sports, which is why I followed so many sports journalists), to using the forum to espouse on all politics. So it completely unmasked them, and you can see all there biases -- R or L. And after that, it becomes much more difficult to really believe any "news" they report.
I mean, TBH, knowing BBW12's strong-willed biases (which are not necessarily any more ardent than some of the really vocally left media types out there), would you believe him if he tried to report the veracity of news facts? No way. And so it is with some of these loud-mouth "look at me" types like CNN is popping up everywhere.
Right -- my point is, 10 years ago, we may have assumed, but now, with SM, we KNOW. So that fuels the complete distrust even more. So then news/opinions become blurred, and its often difficult to discern.pineknollshoresking said:BBW makes no bones about where he stands politically. Media types try and hide behind objective reporting. So, I would start with more leniency with BBW than Media types...Packchem91 said:If you wanted to, you could stop reading at this paragraph right at the beginning --- you've already hit the irrefutable truth that, IMO, has completely damaged the media and its ability to rationally cover a story any further:Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
What the episode does reveal is the vulnerabilities in the mainstream- and liberal-media ecosystem. Media coverage of the lab-leak hypothesis was a debacle, and a major source of that failure was groupthink cultivated on Twitter.
To me, worse, the activity of journalists on social media migrated from providing actual news updates (particularly for sports, which is why I followed so many sports journalists), to using the forum to espouse on all politics. So it completely unmasked them, and you can see all there biases -- R or L. And after that, it becomes much more difficult to really believe any "news" they report.
I mean, TBH, knowing BBW12's strong-willed biases (which are not necessarily any more ardent than some of the really vocally left media types out there), would you believe him if he tried to report the veracity of news facts? No way. And so it is with some of these loud-mouth "look at me" types like CNN is popping up everywhere.
As I have mentioned several times. I read and watch news from different sources, both left-leaning and right-leaning. Where they agree is fact and where they disagree is opinion. I find a lot of what we call news today is really just opinion. As my mother used to say, do not believe everything you read and only half what you see.Packchem91 said:Right -- my point is, 10 years ago, we may have assumed, but now, with SM, we KNOW. So that fuels the complete distrust even more. So then news/opinions become blurred, and its often difficult to discern.pineknollshoresking said:BBW makes no bones about where he stands politically. Media types try and hide behind objective reporting. So, I would start with more leniency with BBW than Media types...Packchem91 said:If you wanted to, you could stop reading at this paragraph right at the beginning --- you've already hit the irrefutable truth that, IMO, has completely damaged the media and its ability to rationally cover a story any further:Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
What the episode does reveal is the vulnerabilities in the mainstream- and liberal-media ecosystem. Media coverage of the lab-leak hypothesis was a debacle, and a major source of that failure was groupthink cultivated on Twitter.
To me, worse, the activity of journalists on social media migrated from providing actual news updates (particularly for sports, which is why I followed so many sports journalists), to using the forum to espouse on all politics. So it completely unmasked them, and you can see all there biases -- R or L. And after that, it becomes much more difficult to really believe any "news" they report.
I mean, TBH, knowing BBW12's strong-willed biases (which are not necessarily any more ardent than some of the really vocally left media types out there), would you believe him if he tried to report the veracity of news facts? No way. And so it is with some of these loud-mouth "look at me" types like CNN is popping up everywhere.
And we as consumers then have morphed too...we want "team news", not news.
And to be clear, this is not a R/L issue....both sides are equally guilty
Well said. The bold section -- I think that is "most mainstream media", not just WRAL - and agree, it is a huge issue.Daviewolf83 said:As I have mentioned several times. I read and watch news from different sources, both left-leaning and right-leaning. Where they agree is fact and where they disagree is opinion. I find a lot of what we call news today is really just opinion. As my mother used to say, do not believe everything you read and only half what you see.Packchem91 said:Right -- my point is, 10 years ago, we may have assumed, but now, with SM, we KNOW. So that fuels the complete distrust even more. So then news/opinions become blurred, and its often difficult to discern.pineknollshoresking said:BBW makes no bones about where he stands politically. Media types try and hide behind objective reporting. So, I would start with more leniency with BBW than Media types...Packchem91 said:If you wanted to, you could stop reading at this paragraph right at the beginning --- you've already hit the irrefutable truth that, IMO, has completely damaged the media and its ability to rationally cover a story any further:Mormad said:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/lab-leak-media-liberals-covid-china-biden-fauci-investigation.html
This is an excellent article that seems to nutmeg the pitcher right down the middle, and makes some interesting assertions that will likely stimulate reactions here.
What the episode does reveal is the vulnerabilities in the mainstream- and liberal-media ecosystem. Media coverage of the lab-leak hypothesis was a debacle, and a major source of that failure was groupthink cultivated on Twitter.
To me, worse, the activity of journalists on social media migrated from providing actual news updates (particularly for sports, which is why I followed so many sports journalists), to using the forum to espouse on all politics. So it completely unmasked them, and you can see all there biases -- R or L. And after that, it becomes much more difficult to really believe any "news" they report.
I mean, TBH, knowing BBW12's strong-willed biases (which are not necessarily any more ardent than some of the really vocally left media types out there), would you believe him if he tried to report the veracity of news facts? No way. And so it is with some of these loud-mouth "look at me" types like CNN is popping up everywhere.
And we as consumers then have morphed too...we want "team news", not news.
And to be clear, this is not a R/L issue....both sides are equally guilty
As you said, there is bias on both sides. I consume news the way I mentioned, to try and cut through as much of the bias as possible. The big issue we have today with mainstream media is that many are just activists, posing as objective media. They are using their positions to advance a cause, just like any other special interest activists and lobbyists.
I have spent an entire year going after WRAL and some other organizations on Twitter for their sensationalized and blatantly biased reporting on Covid. I have done so with data, graphs, and science. WRAL's goal is not to inform, it is influence the general population and to sell advertising. The selling of advertising allows them the ability to advance their message and biases even further. The more sensational they can make the stories, the more eyeballs they can get and he more money they can charge for advertising.
Basically, WRAL (and other organizations) does not want the truth to get in the way of a good story.
bigeric said:
Anything going on with Corona today?
Hard to tell so far.
Daily admits to hospitals are now starting to trend in the 70 per day range, versus the 120+ range we saw for a few weeks. As a result, I do think you will see the number hospitalized fall to around 400 in the next three to four weeks. Hospitalizations are sticky and I do think many are long-haul patients who had very severe cases. Additionally, some of those hospitalized are older patients who have other health conditions, beyond Covid-19. They may have recovered from Covid, but the other health conditions are keeping them hospitalized. These patients would remain classified as Covid patients, even if they are hospitalized for other conditions.Wayland said:bigeric said:
Anything going on with Corona today?
Hard to tell so far.
All good. Hospitalizations staying in the high 600s, still too sticky.
COVID ICU number for NC is at an all time low at 200 (for reference when the number was first reported on June 4, 2020 it was 271).
7 day average of daily reported cases is in the 700s now.
Deaths have been in a slow flat decline since March. It is mostly noise now, somehow the state keeps finding deaths from last September. I think they reported 7 of them today.
There is not currently an emergency in NC, but for some reason still emergency orders.
In a newly resurfaced paper from 2012, Fauci argued that the benefits of gain-of-function research are worth the increased risk of a potential pandemic-causing lab accident. | https://t.co/0cjf7Xd6q4 pic.twitter.com/NmSgTIyykm
— National Review News Wire (@NRWire) May 28, 2021
Quote:
Fauci at one point declared the quarter-pounder to be "the worst sandwich of all time, a real anti-science disaster," before moments later calling it "a delicious burger and mankind's greatest achievement and anyone who does not order it is a bigot."
So now that it's looking like it came from the lab, we have to wonder, isn't US intelligence good enough to have known from the beginning that this was a distinct *possibility*? Of course.
— Joe Norman (@normonics) May 29, 2021
So then why were we gaslit for 1+ yr? Only conclusion I can come to is "to own trump".
Oldsouljer said:
More accurate to say that masks are ineffective at preventing viral-borne disease, masks can help against bacteria in some cases. But yes, it's ludicrous to think that corona viruses, which are equivalent in size to hemorrhagic fever viruses, can be protected against by anything less than a military-grade gas mask using activated charcoal filters. And hemorrhagic fever virus workers use tethered or portable supplied air, NOT filtered, respirators.
FOUND IT!!
— SCUBA MIKE🤿 (@scuba2024) May 28, 2021
Fauci's testimony 2012 on DURC. Dual Research (gain of function) https://t.co/W8Qs35iNOq
GuerrillaPack said:Oldsouljer said:
More accurate to say that masks are ineffective at preventing viral-borne disease, masks can help against bacteria in some cases. But yes, it's ludicrous to think that corona viruses, which are equivalent in size to hemorrhagic fever viruses, can be protected against by anything less than a military-grade gas mask using activated charcoal filters. And hemorrhagic fever virus workers use tethered or portable supplied air, NOT filtered, respirators.
If this thing was so deadly and like the second coming of the Black Plague, why weren't doctors in full hazmat suits around the Rona patients? But no, and they tell the public that tying a loose bandana on your face is going to do something. The whole thing is a farce of gigantic proportions.
Daviewolf83 said:
Here's a link to the video from 2012 where Dr. Fauci argues "gain of function" research is worth the risk of a pandemic. If you read the Twitter thread, you will see how the government has tried to hide this video and the Congressional record by scrubbing Dr. Fauci's name for the searchable records.
Additionally, Dr. Fauci failed to alert the Whitehouse when the "gain of function" research ban was lifted. As I have said before - Fauci is a big proponent of "gain of function" research, so we should not be surprised when he failed to let people know this research was possible again.
Just so everyone is aware, EcoHealth Alliance (I have mentioned them before) distributed nearly $600,000 of National Institute of Health (NIH) grant money over six years to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Much of this money was to study the risk of coronavirus outbreaks from bats. We also know from grant filings that some of this money funded "gain of function" research on coronaviruses obtained from bats. Remember Dr. Fauci testified under oath to the Senate a few weeks ago that the NIH does not nor has every funded "gain of function" research in Wuhan - which we now know was a lie.
I hope The Elf keeps talking, since the more he talks, the deeper he digs his hole.FOUND IT!!
— SCUBA MIKE🤿 (@scuba2024) May 28, 2021
Fauci's testimony 2012 on DURC. Dual Research (gain of function) https://t.co/W8Qs35iNOq
Government says you'll wear a mask to see your patients, you wear a mask to see your patients.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:Oldsouljer said:
More accurate to say that masks are ineffective at preventing viral-borne disease, masks can help against bacteria in some cases. But yes, it's ludicrous to think that corona viruses, which are equivalent in size to hemorrhagic fever viruses, can be protected against by anything less than a military-grade gas mask using activated charcoal filters. And hemorrhagic fever virus workers use tethered or portable supplied air, NOT filtered, respirators.
If this thing was so deadly and like the second coming of the Black Plague, why weren't doctors in full hazmat suits around the Rona patients? But no, and they tell the public that tying a loose bandana on your face is going to do something. The whole thing is a farce of gigantic proportions.
Oh, please tell us what doctors wear when in contact with known covid patients and the reasoning behind
Vaccinated consumers were less likely to go out to restaurants, salons and entertainment venues than those who don’t plan to get the vaccine, April spending and survey data show https://t.co/gBYcDYwlY2
— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) May 31, 2021
Which article? There were several on that homepage...Mormad said:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives
Wow. Just wow.
packgrad said:Vaccinated consumers were less likely to go out to restaurants, salons and entertainment venues than those who don’t plan to get the vaccine, April spending and survey data show https://t.co/gBYcDYwlY2
— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) May 31, 2021
Oldsouljer said:Government says you'll wear a mask to see your patients, you wear a mask to see your patients.Mormad said:GuerrillaPack said:Oldsouljer said:
More accurate to say that masks are ineffective at preventing viral-borne disease, masks can help against bacteria in some cases. But yes, it's ludicrous to think that corona viruses, which are equivalent in size to hemorrhagic fever viruses, can be protected against by anything less than a military-grade gas mask using activated charcoal filters. And hemorrhagic fever virus workers use tethered or portable supplied air, NOT filtered, respirators.
If this thing was so deadly and like the second coming of the Black Plague, why weren't doctors in full hazmat suits around the Rona patients? But no, and they tell the public that tying a loose bandana on your face is going to do something. The whole thing is a farce of gigantic proportions.
Oh, please tell us what doctors wear when in contact with known covid patients and the reasoning behind
wilmwolf80 said:
Found this interesting.
https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/05/26/novant-health-reports-nearly-third-staff-not-yet-covid-19-vaccinated/5060556001/
GuerrillaPack said:wilmwolf80 said:
Found this interesting.
https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/05/26/novant-health-reports-nearly-third-staff-not-yet-covid-19-vaccinated/5060556001/
Just as with the general population, there is a large portion within the medical community (nurses, doctors) who know that vaccines are harmful, and will not take them.
