Wayland said:

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Civilized said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?

Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".

But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.

There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

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Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.

People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.

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I've been wanting to say this for the last hour.

I'm gun-shy about using the word 'science' around here since it would elicit predictable and not altogether unwarranted pushback given uneven government and MSM messaging over the last year but like my science teacher wife's shirt says "Science is true whether or not you believe in it!"

Fauci/the CDC are damned if they do and damned if they don't at this point.

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When you have been speaking half-truths in order to manipulate the public into action and then come out with 'changed' guidance that should have been OBVOIUS for months and start with the gaslighting instead of a mea culpa.... of course they are damned.

Fauci and the CDC have been playing a political game all along.

So, yes, they get a sarcastic slow clap from me for finally getting something 'sort of right' after they had even lost CNN from their side (see my previous post with the Gupta video on CNN questioning just what the CDC was doing).

The tide had changed against the CDC/Fauci, so they quickly pivoted to what SHOULD have been the guidance all along (or much closer to it).

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Is it really necessary to bring up the former president in this thread? Really Glass? Just ignore GP, I promise you it's ok to not respond to everything he says.

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Glasswolf said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Is it really necessary to bring up the former president in this thread? Really Glass? Just ignore GP, I promise you it's ok to not respond to everything he says.

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I agree but we get called SOCIALIST, LEFTIST AND COMMUNIST in ever thread regardless

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?

Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".

But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.

There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

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Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.

People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.

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Even vaxxed people can still contract and spread the virus. People who have been jabbed are still a "risk" to everyone...just as big of a "risk" as unvaxxed people.

So shouldn't vaxxed people still be wearing masks too by the CDC's fallacious resoning?

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You're just wrong. Flat wrong. Most believe AT PRESENT that vaxxed are SIGNIFICANTLY lower risk of contracting and transmitting the virus. Same risk is the only fallacy l see.

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Mormad said:

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I'm taking the wilmwolf high road and not responding. Im taking the wilmwolf high road and not responding. I'm taking the wilmwolf high road and not responding.

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Glasswolf said:

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Mormad said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Getting harder and harder to sift through the back and forth to find the actual information in this thread.

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Lol

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It's not far from being locked and moved to the archives

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Now the scared mom's in my social media timeline are upset about the CDC's statement today because if people don't wear masks their kids might die. I even saw one comment that masks should be required until there is a vaccine for babies. It's really a wonder the human race has survived this long. If you are that concerned for your children, by all means continue wearing a mask, and keep your kids away from people who aren't.

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Not surprised, based on the reactions I saw on Twitter today. It is the same thought process that caused over half of the gas stations in NC to run out of gas.

With regards to kids, adults getting vaccinated helps protect kids. A study I posted a few weeks ago shows that for every twenty point increase in adult vaccinations, cases among kids are cut in half.

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Wayland said:

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Breaking. NBC News confirms: The CDC will announce that Americans who are fully vaccinated against COVID no longer need to wear masks or physically distance, indoors or outdoors in almost all circumstances. @MSNBC @NBCNews

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 13, 2021

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"Science" finally starting to prevail.

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Or public sentiment as to what a train wreck Walensky and the CDC are.

Saw this linked earlier today somewhere. When you lose CNN and Sanjay Gupta says you aren't following the science. What does the CDC even have anymore?

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/05/12/cnns-dr-gupta-science-is-not-necessarily-being-followed-by-cdc-were-probably-doing-things-that-we-dont-need-to/

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Civilized said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?

Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".

But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.

There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

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Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.

People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.

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I've been wanting to say this for the last hour.

I'm gun-shy about using the word 'science' around here since it would elicit predictable and not altogether unwarranted pushback given uneven government and MSM messaging over the last year but like my science teacher wife's shirt says "Science is true whether or not you believe in it!"

Fauci/the CDC are damned if they do and damned if they don't at this point.

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?

Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".

But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.

There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

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Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.

People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.

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I've been wanting to say this for the last hour.

I'm gun-shy about using the word 'science' around here since it would elicit predictable and not altogether unwarranted pushback given uneven government and MSM messaging over the last year but like my science teacher wife's shirt says "Science is true whether or not you believe in it!"

Fauci/the CDC are damned if they do and damned if they don't at this point.

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Anyone who thinks Science is automatically and universally a bastion of absolute truth, should read Retractionwatch. Almost daily, some scientist(s) somewhere in the world are being forced to retract their studies, usually because they got called on their BS.

http://retractionwatch.org/

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Oldsouljer said:

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Civilized said:

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Mormad said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Also...so funny how vaccinated people are still afraid of unvaccinated people. Wasn't your injection supposed to make you immune? So the vaccine doesn't even work?

Of course, I understand what they are saying about how the vaccine basically just "helps your body fight covid once you get it".

But they admit that vaccinated people will still contract and spread the virus. Sooooo...that means that vaccinated people are facing no more of a threat from unvaxxed people than vaxxed people. They can still contract it from both groups.

There is no legitimate reason for different rules for vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

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Oh, stop. The worry is not the vaxxed- unvaxxed interaction. The worry would remain the unvaxxed putting the unvaxxed at risk. So they are SUGGESTING that the unvaxxed should continue to mitigate risk as they have been doing (one would hope) by masking, social distancing and washing their hands because they are still at risk when around other unvaxxed people.

People bemoan the lack of common sense and "science" with every ****ing decision, and then a decision comes down that finally makes some ****ing sense and they still piss and moan.

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I've been wanting to say this for the last hour.

I'm gun-shy about using the word 'science' around here since it would elicit predictable and not altogether unwarranted pushback given uneven government and MSM messaging over the last year but like my science teacher wife's shirt says "Science is true whether or not you believe in it!"

Fauci/the CDC are damned if they do and damned if they don't at this point.

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Anyone who thinks Science is automatically and universally a bastion of absolute truth, should read Retractionwatch. Almost daily, some scientist(s) somewhere in the world are being forced to retract their studies, usually because they got called on their BS.

http://retractionwatch.org/

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Agree and this is a reason why I like to read the peer review comments to the studies. I find them to be very helpful when trying to find the holes in the studies.

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Wayland said:

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Looks like someone finally got around to giving Cooper a call. Updating EOs today?

Inbox: @NC_Governor has update schedule to include 1:30 presser re: changes to COVID-19 executive order #ncpol pic.twitter.com/4b9sBXBEzJ

— Nick Ochsner (@NickOchsnerWBTV) May 14, 2021

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