Question about congregate deaths - if a staff member dies of Covid, is that considered a congregate death, or are only residents classified that way? Anybody know?
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PackMom said:
Question about congregate deaths - if a staff member dies of Covid, is that considered a congregate death, or are only residents classified that way? Anybody know?
Both are counted. But I don't believe the number of staff has been significant.
Thanks. The retirement community where my aunt lives has had some staff members test positive, and it made me wonder how that would be counted. So far they're doing all right.
Dr. Simone Gold with a tweet the other day. Apparently The American Journal of Medicine just accepted in pre-press a study confirming that early treatment with Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin helps to significantly reduce widespread hospital resource consumption, morbidity and virus mortality rates. I think Dr. Risch from Yale had a hand in this too. So it does work.
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I actually responded to the young man's Tweet last night with the following retweet:packgrad said:
Far Davie and other parents. Perhaps liking and sharing is another way to lean on the governor.
"As a player parent, I agree. @NC_Governor decision to not allow 1,000 player parents to attend games is not logical. I can easily social distance & wear a mask in an effectively empty stadium (98% of seats empty). Safer than shopping with 500-1,000 strangers indoors @ Walmart."
The App player actually liked my comment.
I have Tweeted back at many people on this topic over the past several days and have written a lengthy post on Facebook. My wife and I have also been reaching out to parents at other schools in NC to try and coordinate letter writing campaigns to the Governor. Some of the parent player groups at the other universities are well organized and some are not at all. The one school we have not been able to reach out to is Duke. One parent reached out to some player parents they know associated with Duke football, but they did not really seem interested in pursuing the matter with the Governor.
After my Facebook post, I had one person tell me the Governor did not want to keep parents away from the games and it was the schools doing it. This could not be further from the truth and if anyone tells you this, they are simply ignorant of the situation and the facts.
As far as my son's school is concerned, they worked with the medical staff and doctor's at their medical school to put together several different options for the governor and DHHS to consider. These options ranged from player parents only (approximately 1,000 people in a 33,000 seat stadium - leaves 97% of the seats empty), player parents and staff families, player parents/staff families and limited students, player parents/staff families, limited students, limited fans. All options were rejected by the Governor and he stuck to his limit only allowing 50 people to meet in an outdoor gathering. We were told the Governor rejected the options because he did not want the appearance that there could be exceptions to his 50 person rule. So yes, Governor Cooper rejected the plans based on "optics" and not "science." He likes to say he is following the science, but in this case he is most certainly not doing so.
As a result, Wake Forest is going to allocate 50 tickets to player parents and provide 2 tickets for each player. The players who are in their last year of eligibility will be able to have parents at every game. If any of these players do not need the tickets for their parents, the fourth year players will have an option to request tickets, up to the max of 25 players. No visiting player parents will be allowed to attend and no boosters will be allowed to attend. All 50 tickets go to player parents. Parents attending will have assigned seats in the stadium, be allowed to enter 1 hour before the game begins, and wear a mask at all times. No concessions stands will be open and they will allow us to bring in some food (snacks) and drinks (no alcohol) in sealed containers. No coolers are allowed. My wife and I are fortunate that we will be able to attend the first game against Clemson next Saturday, but likely not the second game against Notre Dame. We will not be able to attend the away game at NC State, unless Governor Cooper changes his mind.
DrummerboyWolf said:
Dr. Simone Gold with a tweet the other day. Apparently The American Journal of Medicine just accepted in pre-press a study confirming that early treatment with Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin helps to significantly reduce widespread hospital resource consumption, morbidity and virus mortality rates. I think Dr. Risch from Yale had a hand in this too. So it does work.
This is extremely great news - that I expect to be summarily dismissed by the media.
Davie Wolf, bless you and all of the parents and families of the athletes on all of our teams.
Cooper is a smug, smart aleck political junkie, has been all of his elected official life. He will never let the State go past phase 2.5....until after the first week in November. A shame for you parents. If North Texas State can spread out their band in 3 sections at their stadium, you can durn sure spread out 300-400 family members at CFS. And at any stadium in NC for that matter. On each side of the stadium.
I feel really bad for you and these families that can't attend games.
Cooper is a smug, smart aleck political junkie, has been all of his elected official life. He will never let the State go past phase 2.5....until after the first week in November. A shame for you parents. If North Texas State can spread out their band in 3 sections at their stadium, you can durn sure spread out 300-400 family members at CFS. And at any stadium in NC for that matter. On each side of the stadium.
I feel really bad for you and these families that can't attend games.
It is asinine, but hey it's the worm Roy Cooper. The schools are going by the state dictates of no more than 50 people at outside gatherings. You could put 50 people in each section of Carter- Finley and never have to worry about social distancing. It's a complete crock. If anybody is thinking about voting for this idiot again, then although you cannot attend your son's game, you can send a message with your vote.Tootie4Pack said:
Davie Wolf, bless you and all of the parents and families of the athletes on all of our teams.
Cooper is a smug, smart aleck political junkie, has been all of his elected official life. He will never let the State go past phase 2.5....until after the first week in November. A shame for you parents. If North Texas State can spread out their band in 3 sections at their stadium, you can durn sure spread out 300-400 family members at CFS. And at any stadium in NC for that matter. On each side of the stadium.
I feel really bad for you and these families that can't attend games.
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
9/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (slightly delayed due to beach time)Wayland said:9/5/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/4/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/3/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/2/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/1/2020 Morning DHHS updateQuote:
8/31/2020 Morning DHHS update
NC Cases
167,313
NC Deaths
2702
Currently Hospitalized
923 <- 84% reporting (was 917 at 88%)
Completed Tests
2,256,172
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1368 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
450 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (3)
+10 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
884 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
1818 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+5)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 196 -> 195
Resident Care 104 -> 104
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2716* deaths
1186 positive cases over 12899* new tests. 9.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 12899 but DHHS claims only `12077 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 8/31
8/29(5), 8/28, 8/27(3)
One new missing Date of Death
NC Cases
169,424
NC Deaths
2741
Currently Hospitalized
946 <- 92% reporting (was 923 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,295,698
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1390 Deaths are now Congregate (+22)
452 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (2)
+39 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
899 Deaths assumed General Population (+15)
1842 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+24)
352 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 195 -> 193
Resident Care 104 -> 106
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 7
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2734* deaths
2111 positive cases over 39526* new tests. 5.3% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 39626 but DHHS claims only 11824 completed tests******************
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dates of Death Reported 9/1
8/31(3), 8/30(9), 8/29(16), 8/28(4), 8/27(2), 8/26(3), 8/11
NC Cases
170,553
NC Deaths
2779
Currently Hospitalized
858 <- 79% reporting (was 946 at 92%)
Completed Tests
2,315,310
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1408 Deaths are now Congregate (+18)
461 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+38 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
910 Deaths assumed General Population (+11)
1869 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+27)
346 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-6)
Nursing Homes 193 -> 190
Resident Care 106 -> 103
Correctional 46 -> 45
Other 7 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2778* deaths
1129 positive cases over 19612* new tests. 5.8% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 19612 but DHHS claims only 15870 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/2
9/1(4), 8/31(12), 8/30(3), 8/29(4), 8/28(6),8/27, 8/26, 8/25(2), 8/24, 8/17, 8/13, 7/28
1 additional missing DoD (6 total)
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2803
Currently Hospitalized
XXX <- XX% reporting (was 858 at 79%)
Completed Tests
2,347,837
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1419 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
467 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+6)
+24 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
917 Deaths assumed General Population (+7)
1886 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+17)
359 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+13)
Nursing Homes 190 -> 200 <--- +10!!!!!!
Resident Care 103 -> 106
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2807* deaths
1656 positive cases over 32527* new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32527 but DHHS claims only 20108 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/3
9/2(6), 9/1(10), 8/31(3), 8/29(2), 8/12, 6/26, 6/13
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2839
Currently Hospitalized
955 <- 82% reporting (was 858 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,389,096
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1443 Deaths are now Congregate (+24)
476 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+36 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
920 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1919 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+33)
367 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+8)
Nursing Homes 200 -> 203
Resident Care 106 -> 111
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2829* deaths
2045 positive cases over 41259* new tests. 5.0% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 41259 but DHHS claims only 23655 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/4
9/3(2), 9/2(14), 9/1(6), 8/31(2), 8/30, 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/21, 8/17, 8/10, 7/12, 7/10, 7/9, 7/4
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
THIRTY THREE CONGREGATE AND UNKNOWN
NC Cases
175,815
NC Deaths
2889
Currently Hospitalized
xxx <- 82% reporting (was 955 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,410,871
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+51)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-4)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
923 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+47)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-14)
Nursing Homes 203 -> 201
Resident Care 111 -> 102
Correctional 45 -> 42
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1561 positive cases over 21775* new tests. 7.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 21775 but DHHS claims only 16975 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/5
9/4(2), 9/3(9), 9/2(6), 8/31(2), 8/30(2), 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/26, 8/25(3), 8/24, 8/21, 8/20(2), 8/19, 8/18(4), 8/17(2), 8/16(2), 8/15, 8/14, 8/12(2), 8/11, 7/31
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
51.... FIFTY ONE.... 5 ... 1. .. CONGREGATE DEATHS TODAY.
At beach will fill in dates and numbers later.
NC Cases
176,901
NC Deaths
2890
Currently Hospitalized
830 <- 77% reporting (was 826 at XX%)
Completed Tests
2,442,950
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+0)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
924 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+0)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 42 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1086 positive cases over 32079* new tests. 3.5% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32079 but DHHS claims only 19925 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/6
9/5
After two subsequent negative tests, my business partner's mother has been moved out of the covid wing and back into her normal room at the nursing home. According to the administrator, her one false positive test will still count towards the state totals.
wilmwolf80 said:
After two subsequent negative tests, my business partner's mother has been moved out of the covid wing and back into her normal room at the nursing home. According to the administrator, her one false positive test will still count towards the state totals.
That's got me interested? How do you know she had a false positive test? Why shouldn't the positive test be counted? What was the timing between tests?
Tested positive Thursday but exhibiting no symptoms and the doctor at the facility didn't think she had it, but moved her to their covid wing following protocol. Tested negative Friday and Saturday, and was moved back to her room yesterday. As to why it shouldn't count, she doesn't have covid, so to my simple mind, that shouldn't count.
Gotcha
Mormad said:wilmwolf80 said:
After two subsequent negative tests, my business partner's mother has been moved out of the covid wing and back into her normal room at the nursing home. According to the administrator, her one false positive test will still count towards the state totals.
That's got me interested? How do you know she had a false positive test? Why shouldn't the positive test be counted? What was the timing between tests?
It shouldn't be counted because it wasn't an actual positive test. That seems pretty self explanatory to me. If you have a false positive, why in the Sam Hell would that be counted as an actual positive?
RunsWithWolves26 said:Mormad said:wilmwolf80 said:
After two subsequent negative tests, my business partner's mother has been moved out of the covid wing and back into her normal room at the nursing home. According to the administrator, her one false positive test will still count towards the state totals.
That's got me interested? How do you know she had a false positive test? Why shouldn't the positive test be counted? What was the timing between tests?
It shouldn't be counted because it wasn't an actual positive test. That seems pretty self explanatory to me. If you have a false positive, why in the Sam Hell would that be counted as an actual positive?
Well, I think it should for accounting purposes. Just like I think the 2 negatives should count in the negatives tally. It matters how the data is USED, and that's where you guys worry. We've known all along there is a sensitivity and specificity related to testing, so every positive test or negative test could be right or wrong, and they're still listed. While this seems pretty likely to be a false positive followed by 2 true negatives, there is still a small statistical chance that the positive test was correct followed by 2 false negatives. So I think it should be counted, even if most likely a false positive. Those need to known also, and of the positive tests already listed, a percentage of them are already false. The problem is not with adding this to the data, the problem is how the data is interpreted by idiots.
Remember: these tests are more specific than sensitive (fewer false positives than false negatives, false negatives could be as high as 30%). Many infected people are asymptomatic. And at some point, an infected person will test positive for some time period, only to finally test negative the next day. So even in this old lady's scenario, you could make a strong argument she was actually infected.
9/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (back from beach)Wayland said:9/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (slightly delayed due to beach time)Wayland said:9/5/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/4/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/3/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/2/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/1/2020 Morning DHHS updateQuote:
8/31/2020 Morning DHHS update
NC Cases
167,313
NC Deaths
2702
Currently Hospitalized
923 <- 84% reporting (was 917 at 88%)
Completed Tests
2,256,172
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1368 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
450 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (3)
+10 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
884 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
1818 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+5)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 196 -> 195
Resident Care 104 -> 104
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2716* deaths
1186 positive cases over 12899* new tests. 9.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 12899 but DHHS claims only `12077 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 8/31
8/29(5), 8/28, 8/27(3)
One new missing Date of Death
NC Cases
169,424
NC Deaths
2741
Currently Hospitalized
946 <- 92% reporting (was 923 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,295,698
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1390 Deaths are now Congregate (+22)
452 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (2)
+39 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
899 Deaths assumed General Population (+15)
1842 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+24)
352 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 195 -> 193
Resident Care 104 -> 106
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 7
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2734* deaths
2111 positive cases over 39526* new tests. 5.3% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 39626 but DHHS claims only 11824 completed tests******************
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dates of Death Reported 9/1
8/31(3), 8/30(9), 8/29(16), 8/28(4), 8/27(2), 8/26(3), 8/11
NC Cases
170,553
NC Deaths
2779
Currently Hospitalized
858 <- 79% reporting (was 946 at 92%)
Completed Tests
2,315,310
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1408 Deaths are now Congregate (+18)
461 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+38 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
910 Deaths assumed General Population (+11)
1869 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+27)
346 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-6)
Nursing Homes 193 -> 190
Resident Care 106 -> 103
Correctional 46 -> 45
Other 7 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2778* deaths
1129 positive cases over 19612* new tests. 5.8% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 19612 but DHHS claims only 15870 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/2
9/1(4), 8/31(12), 8/30(3), 8/29(4), 8/28(6),8/27, 8/26, 8/25(2), 8/24, 8/17, 8/13, 7/28
1 additional missing DoD (6 total)
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2803
Currently Hospitalized
XXX <- XX% reporting (was 858 at 79%)
Completed Tests
2,347,837
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1419 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
467 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+6)
+24 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
917 Deaths assumed General Population (+7)
1886 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+17)
359 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+13)
Nursing Homes 190 -> 200 <--- +10!!!!!!
Resident Care 103 -> 106
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2807* deaths
1656 positive cases over 32527* new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32527 but DHHS claims only 20108 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/3
9/2(6), 9/1(10), 8/31(3), 8/29(2), 8/12, 6/26, 6/13
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2839
Currently Hospitalized
955 <- 82% reporting (was 858 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,389,096
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1443 Deaths are now Congregate (+24)
476 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+36 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
920 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1919 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+33)
367 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+8)
Nursing Homes 200 -> 203
Resident Care 106 -> 111
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WRAL is at 2829* deaths
2045 positive cases over 41259* new tests. 5.0% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 41259 but DHHS claims only 23655 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/4
9/3(2), 9/2(14), 9/1(6), 8/31(2), 8/30, 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/21, 8/17, 8/10, 7/12, 7/10, 7/9, 7/4
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
THIRTY THREE CONGREGATE AND UNKNOWN
NC Cases
175,815
NC Deaths
2889
Currently Hospitalized
xxx <- 82% reporting (was 955 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,410,871
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+51)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-4)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
923 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+47)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-14)
Nursing Homes 203 -> 201
Resident Care 111 -> 102
Correctional 45 -> 42
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1561 positive cases over 21775* new tests. 7.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 21775 but DHHS claims only 16975 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/5
9/4(2), 9/3(9), 9/2(6), 8/31(2), 8/30(2), 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/26, 8/25(3), 8/24, 8/21, 8/20(2), 8/19, 8/18(4), 8/17(2), 8/16(2), 8/15, 8/14, 8/12(2), 8/11, 7/31
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
51.... FIFTY ONE.... 5 ... 1. .. CONGREGATE DEATHS TODAY.
At beach will fill in dates and numbers later.
NC Cases
176,901
NC Deaths
2890
Currently Hospitalized
830 <- 77% reporting (was 826 at XX%)
Completed Tests
2,442,950
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+0)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
924 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+0)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 42 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1086 positive cases over 32079* new tests. 3.5% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32079 but DHHS claims only 19925 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/6
9/5
NC Cases
177,919
NC Deaths
2897
Currently Hospitalized
765 <- 78% reporting (was 830 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,459,582
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1499 Deaths are now Congregate (+5)
473 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+7 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
925 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
1972 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+0)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1018 positive cases over 16632* new tests. 6.1% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 16632 but DHHS claims only 10730 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/7
9/5, 9/4, 9/2, 9/1(2), 8/30, 8/27, 8/20
One Date added from Missing Dates of Death
Are there very many instances of 94 year olds with multiple end of life health issues that get the virus and are asymptomatic? I've seen a few stories of people that old getting it and surviving, but most of the stories from that age range don't end well. All I can tell you, and this is second hand information, is that when she tested positive, the doctor told the family that he didn't believe she had the virus. They have had multiple outbreaks and fatalities at that facility, which is a very large, very nice place. They have a dedicated wing with covid patients, and she had to be moved there based on their protocols while they retested. She had been tested previously and was negative. I can't tell you how many times she has been tested, but I know she previously tested negative. She had not exhibited any symptoms prior to the test on Thursday, and has not since. In addition to her advanced dimentia, she has congestive heart failure and multiple other conditions. I just can't imagine that she had it and was asymptomatic, tested positive one day, then tested negative twice in the following days. I defer to you medically on the possibility of that happening, but the doctor in charge of her care told her son definitively that the positive test was a false positive. I just don't think that facility would put her back with the general population without being very confident that they were right in their diagnosis.
Quote:
"A Boston consumer genetics company that has batted away former employees' accusations of shoddy practices since at least 2019 is now under investigation by the state Department of Public Health for logging hundreds of false positive coronavirus test results. The company, Orig3n, has halted COVID-19 testing in the state. A company spokesman said the false positives were due to "human error" in processing the tests. In August, after learning about the Massachusetts investigation, North Carolina issued a stop order for its coronavirus testing contract with Orig3n."
https://www.thegardnernews.com/news/20200904/sudden-spike-in-mass-covid-19-cases-was-jarring-now-company-that-did-tests-is-under-investigation.
https://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-releases/ncdhhs-deploy-300-free-testing-sites-underserved-communities
Quote:
"As many as 300 temporary testing sites will be deployed throughout the month of July, including drive-thru and walk-up sites. North Carolina has identified two vendors to begin this work, Vidant Health and Orig3n, Inc. Both vendors will deploy new no-cost testing sites to underserved communities identified by DHHS and bring additional lab capacity to the state. The initiative will increase testing capacity in more than 100 ZIP codes, providing testing access for 2.2 million African American, LatinX/Hispanic and American Indian individuals. "
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I have twin nephews who live in Sweden. They work there full time and also play semi-pro football (American version). They have said they were happy to have gone through the virus there instead of their home state of Washington. They never wear masks and have continued working this whole time.They are currently in the middle of their football season (team is 2-1).packgrad said:
Are they kickers? Hey somebody had to ask the question. LOLDaviewolf83 said:I have twin nephews who live in Sweden. They work there full time and also play semi-pro football (American version). They have said they were happy to have gone through the virus there instead of their home state of Washington. They never wear masks and have continued working this whole time.They are currently in the middle of their football season (team is 2-1).packgrad said:
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
wilmwolf80 said:
Are there very many instances of 94 year olds with multiple end of life health issues that get the virus and are asymptomatic? I've seen a few stories of people that old getting it and surviving, but most of the stories from that age range don't end well. All I can tell you, and this is second hand information, is that when she tested positive, the doctor told the family that he didn't believe she had the virus. They have had multiple outbreaks and fatalities at that facility, which is a very large, very nice place. They have a dedicated wing with covid patients, and she had to be moved there based on their protocols while they retested. She had been tested previously and was negative. I can't tell you how many times she has been tested, but I know she previously tested negative. She had not exhibited any symptoms prior to the test on Thursday, and has not since. In addition to her advanced dimentia, she has congestive heart failure and multiple other conditions. I just can't imagine that she had it and was asymptomatic, tested positive one day, then tested negative twice in the following days. I defer to you medically on the possibility of that happening, but the doctor in charge of her care told her son definitively that the positive test was a false positive. I just don't think that facility would put her back with the general population without being very confident that they were right in their diagnosis.
Oh i get it. She may very well have been negative. And I'm sure the doc felt very confident before moving her back. At that point he was playing the game of risk to her being in a covid unit vs risk to his other population if he's wrong.
But i was asked "why in the Sam Hell" the positive result should be counted, and i gave an answer. That's all. Bottom line is, nobody will ever know if she was positive or not. We can speculate based on testing and reasonable assumptions about her age and morbidities, but when a test that comes back positive is right greater than 95% of the time and when it comes back negative it's wrong up to 30% of the time, it's reasonable to question the test in a situation like this and to admit we don't know. There was a less than 5 percent chance that positive test was wrong, and maybe a 30 percent chance those negative tests were wrong, so i asserted that it's not unreasonable to count the test results, because that leaves some doubt. But that doesn't fit what people wanna hear.
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Good one!! One is a linebacker (he played linebacker in college) and one is a DB (played in Junior College). My son is the only kicker/punter in the family.DrummerboyWolf said:Are they kickers? Hey somebody had to ask the question. LOLDaviewolf83 said:I have twin nephews who live in Sweden. They work there full time and also play semi-pro football (American version). They have said they were happy to have gone through the virus there instead of their home state of Washington. They never wear masks and have continued working this whole time.They are currently in the middle of their football season (team is 2-1).packgrad said:
Well it was obvious to me to ask. LOL Glad they are doing well and able to play.Daviewolf83 said:Good one!! One is a linebacker (he played linebacker in college) and one is a DB (played in Junior College). My son is the only kicker/punter in the family.DrummerboyWolf said:Are they kickers? Hey somebody had to ask the question. LOLDaviewolf83 said:I have twin nephews who live in Sweden. They work there full time and also play semi-pro football (American version). They have said they were happy to have gone through the virus there instead of their home state of Washington. They never wear masks and have continued working this whole time.They are currently in the middle of their football season (team is 2-1).packgrad said:
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"We have it well under control; it's one person coming in from China"
9/8/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (back from beach)Wayland said:9/6/2020 Morning DHHS update (slightly delayed due to beach time)Wayland said:9/5/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/4/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/3/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/2/2020 Morning DHHS updateWayland said:9/1/2020 Morning DHHS updateQuote:
8/31/2020 Morning DHHS update
NC Cases
167,313
NC Deaths
2702
Currently Hospitalized
923 <- 84% reporting (was 917 at 88%)
Completed Tests
2,256,172
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1368 Deaths are now Congregate (+2)
450 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (3)
+10 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
884 Deaths assumed General Population (+5)
1818 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+5)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 196 -> 195
Resident Care 104 -> 104
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 8
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WRAL is at 2716* deaths
1186 positive cases over 12899* new tests. 9.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 12899 but DHHS claims only `12077 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 8/31
8/29(5), 8/28, 8/27(3)
One new missing Date of Death
NC Cases
169,424
NC Deaths
2741
Currently Hospitalized
946 <- 92% reporting (was 923 at 84%)
Completed Tests
2,295,698
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1390 Deaths are now Congregate (+22)
452 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (2)
+39 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
899 Deaths assumed General Population (+15)
1842 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+24)
352 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-1)
Nursing Homes 195 -> 193
Resident Care 104 -> 106
Correctional 46 -> 46
Other 8 -> 7
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WRAL is at 2734* deaths
2111 positive cases over 39526* new tests. 5.3% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 39626 but DHHS claims only 11824 completed tests******************
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dates of Death Reported 9/1
8/31(3), 8/30(9), 8/29(16), 8/28(4), 8/27(2), 8/26(3), 8/11
NC Cases
170,553
NC Deaths
2779
Currently Hospitalized
858 <- 79% reporting (was 946 at 92%)
Completed Tests
2,315,310
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1408 Deaths are now Congregate (+18)
461 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+38 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
910 Deaths assumed General Population (+11)
1869 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+27)
346 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-6)
Nursing Homes 193 -> 190
Resident Care 106 -> 103
Correctional 46 -> 45
Other 7 -> 8
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WRAL is at 2778* deaths
1129 positive cases over 19612* new tests. 5.8% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 19612 but DHHS claims only 15870 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/2
9/1(4), 8/31(12), 8/30(3), 8/29(4), 8/28(6),8/27, 8/26, 8/25(2), 8/24, 8/17, 8/13, 7/28
1 additional missing DoD (6 total)
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2803
Currently Hospitalized
XXX <- XX% reporting (was 858 at 79%)
Completed Tests
2,347,837
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1419 Deaths are now Congregate (+11)
467 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+6)
+24 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
917 Deaths assumed General Population (+7)
1886 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+17)
359 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+13)
Nursing Homes 190 -> 200 <--- +10!!!!!!
Resident Care 103 -> 106
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
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WRAL is at 2807* deaths
1656 positive cases over 32527* new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32527 but DHHS claims only 20108 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/3
9/2(6), 9/1(10), 8/31(3), 8/29(2), 8/12, 6/26, 6/13
NC Cases
172,209
NC Deaths
2839
Currently Hospitalized
955 <- 82% reporting (was 858 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,389,096
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1443 Deaths are now Congregate (+24)
476 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+9)
+36 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
920 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1919 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+33)
367 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+8)
Nursing Homes 200 -> 203
Resident Care 106 -> 111
Correctional 45 -> 45
Other 8 -> 8
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WRAL is at 2829* deaths
2045 positive cases over 41259* new tests. 5.0% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 41259 but DHHS claims only 23655 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/4
9/3(2), 9/2(14), 9/1(6), 8/31(2), 8/30, 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/21, 8/17, 8/10, 7/12, 7/10, 7/9, 7/4
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
THIRTY THREE CONGREGATE AND UNKNOWN
NC Cases
175,815
NC Deaths
2889
Currently Hospitalized
xxx <- 82% reporting (was 955 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,410,871
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+51)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (-4)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
923 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+47)
353 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (-14)
Nursing Homes 203 -> 201
Resident Care 111 -> 102
Correctional 45 -> 42
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1561 positive cases over 21775* new tests. 7.2% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 21775 but DHHS claims only 16975 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/5
9/4(2), 9/3(9), 9/2(6), 8/31(2), 8/30(2), 8/29(3), 8/28, 8/27(2), 8/26, 8/25(3), 8/24, 8/21, 8/20(2), 8/19, 8/18(4), 8/17(2), 8/16(2), 8/15, 8/14, 8/12(2), 8/11, 7/31
THREE GENERAL POPULATION DEATHS today.
51.... FIFTY ONE.... 5 ... 1. .. CONGREGATE DEATHS TODAY.
At beach will fill in dates and numbers later.
NC Cases
176,901
NC Deaths
2890
Currently Hospitalized
830 <- 77% reporting (was 826 at XX%)
Completed Tests
2,442,950
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1494 Deaths are now Congregate (+0)
472 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+50 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
924 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
1966 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+0)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+1)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 42 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1086 positive cases over 32079* new tests. 3.5% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 32079 but DHHS claims only 19925 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/6
9/5
NC Cases
177,919
NC Deaths
2897
Currently Hospitalized
765 <- 78% reporting (was 830 at 77%)
Completed Tests
2,459,582
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1499 Deaths are now Congregate (+5)
473 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+7 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
925 Deaths assumed General Population (+1)
1972 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+6)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+0)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1018 positive cases over 16632* new tests. 6.1% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 16632 but DHHS claims only 10730 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/7
9/5, 9/4, 9/2, 9/1(2), 8/30, 8/27, 8/20
One Date added from Missing Dates of Death
NC Cases
178,635
NC Deaths
2909
Currently Hospitalized
827 <- 80% reporting (was 765 at 78%)
Completed Tests
2,469,977
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1505 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
476 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+3)
+12 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
928 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
1981 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+9)
354 Congregate Facilities now have an active outbreak. (+0)
Nursing Homes 201 -> 201
Resident Care 102 -> 102
Correctional 43 -> 43
Other 8 -> 8
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716 positive cases over 10395* new tests. 6.9% positive rate.
Delta completed tests 10395 but DHHS claims only7201 completed tests
Dates of Death Reported 9/8
9/7(3), 9/6(4), 9/5(3), 9/4, 8/26, 8/4
One previously missing DoD assigned date.
Numbers continue to look good.
Deaths *with* COVID will bump tomorrow as they start to process the weekend.statefan91 said:
Numbers continue to look good.
Cases shouldn't jump drastically until Thursday/Friday (since weekend numbers should be low due to holidays), but who knows what DHHS is sitting on.
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