Almost to the election. Just one more extension. But remember, it's not political!

packgrad said:

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Almost to the election. Just one more extension. But remember, it's not political!

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Yep, I can hear it now...."I'm so mad at Cohen and Cooper for keeping the bars closed, that I'm going to change my mind and vote for Biden!!".

**I'm not discounting that there is shady business going on here, but I've yet to see a person on here or Twitter who blames anyone but Cooper for all of these extensions. (especially when presented the evidence that every other state has opened many of these same operations)

I don't this this is necessarily political for Cooper.

I think he just has no clue what he's doing. Which is even worse to be honest.

Packchem91 said:

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packgrad said:

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Packchem91 said:

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King Leary said:

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I don't this this is necessarily political for Cooper.

I think he just has no clue what he's doing. Which is even worse to be honest.

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EXACTLY (or maybe moreso, for Cohen).

But this argument to impact the presidential election is just one of the dumber things ever.

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Lol. Coronavirus isn't politicized at all!! That is a freaking gem right there. You should really consider putting some thought into your posts instead of trying to be contrarian and calling names.

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I know I should drop this....but because you've put so much thought into it, its really a simple, couple-word answer for you.

Who gained politically today when the decision to leave things closed?
Who was hurt politically today when the same decision was made?

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I know it's not directed at me, but I will try.

1. The Democrats are trying to restrain the economy. Good economy equals good for Trump. Democrat run states are doing everything they can to hinder his re-election and they think shutting everything down is the best way to defeat him since everything else they have tried to conjure up has failed.

2. The Democrats are hurt politically if they keep this up(I think they have over played their hand), not to mention all the citizens of North Carolina and other places that cannot work and have no money to live on or pay bills. It's really sad that those citizens all over the country are being used as political pawns. Now you may not agree and that is fine, but this is how I see it.

I think 2020 has been a disaster for them. White House should have been a cake walk this year. Their coronavirus response and BLM/antifa terrorists response have shifted all momentum to the other side of the aisle.

With that said I look forward to when internal polling tells our feckless governor that it is ok for all businesses to reopen. Enough damage has been done.

dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

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The governor is not local. There has been plenty of pushback from small town government though. Remember our governor said sitting outside to watch a car race is illegal, but protesting is just fine. Check that, protesting liberal causes is ok. Protesting Dictator Roy will get you fined and jailed.

dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

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Yes, I believe they are shooting themselves in the foot. Their hatred for all things Donald Trump has blinded them. People are tired of being locked down and their rights trampled.

I don't trust the polls. As we get closer to the election they will get closer. Many of the polls you have seen in the last few months have been designed to shape public opinion and not reflect public opinion. The news media is also trying to get rid of Trump. This time 4 years ago, Hillary had a bigger lead than Biden does now and lost. I also think many Trump supporters do not answer the polls truthfully if at all.

dogplasma said:

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ETA: Maybe you already answered that by likening it to a game of political chicken with the governors overplaying their hand. I personally don't think it's been mostly political but more of a difference in where different people draw the line between public safety and economic impact. MHO.

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On this part of your question which I did not see as I was posting the first response I do agree it's a game of political chicken. If you look though, the states still with the most stringent lockdowns are all run by Democrat Governors. Three of those are swing states in Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Carolina. Unfortunately that side of the aisle does not generally trust the people. They feel they know better. Republicans usually are more in with personal responsibility.

dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

ETA: Maybe you already answered that by likening it to a game of political chicken with the governors overplaying their hand. I personally don't think it's been mostly political but more of a difference in where different people draw the line between public safety and economic impact. MHO.

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Yes they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Cooper's actions are politically unpopular. He's hurting his own re-election chances by keeping us closed down. He thinks it's the right thing to do, and he's doing it. You can argue he's wrong but it makes zero sense that he's doing it to help the party. If the state economy suffers because he keeps us locked down, who do people blame, him or Trump? They blame him because he's the one keeping us shut down.

No governor is more loyal to the party/Biden than they are to their own re-election chances.

Voters are not going to punish Trump for Cooper's actions.

It's just more stupid conspiracy theories by the right.

Orange man bad! Keep gyms closed! Mask my 5 year old! F-U-C-K off Goober Cooper.

Even the liberal cesspool that has celebrities and civilians fleeing like there's an incoming military attack, California, is drawing the ire of its residents because of lockdowns. There has been no hiding of their decisions being made simply to be contrary to what the president suggests. A couple of times they even announced the very next day they were not following his recommendations.

But the laws don't apply to the leaders though.

First you have to impose the lockdown orders so you can know what's in the lockdown orders.

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dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

ETA: Maybe you already answered that by likening it to a game of political chicken with the governors overplaying their hand. I personally don't think it's been mostly political but more of a difference in where different people draw the line between public safety and economic impact. MHO.

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Yes they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Cooper's actions are politically unpopular. He's hurting his own re-election chances by keeping us closed down. He thinks it's the right thing to do, and he's doing it. You can argue he's wrong but it makes zero sense that he's doing it to help the party. If the state economy suffers because he keeps us locked down, who do people blame, him or Trump? They blame him because he's the one keeping us shut down.

No governor is more loyal to the party/Biden than they are to their own re-election chances.

Voters are not going to punish Trump for Cooper's actions.

It's just more stupid conspiracy theories by the right.

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100%.

And I want Cooper out. I think he's been overly protective in many regards here. But all I see is anger at Cooper for these extensions. And I've never seen a politician willing to sacrifice their own skin.

But....it sounds good!

Packchem91 said:

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Civilized said:

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dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

ETA: Maybe you already answered that by likening it to a game of political chicken with the governors overplaying their hand. I personally don't think it's been mostly political but more of a difference in where different people draw the line between public safety and economic impact. MHO.

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Yes they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Cooper's actions are politically unpopular. He's hurting his own re-election chances by keeping us closed down. He thinks it's the right thing to do, and he's doing it. You can argue he's wrong but it makes zero sense that he's doing it to help the party. If the state economy suffers because he keeps us locked down, who do people blame, him or Trump? They blame him because he's the one keeping us shut down.

No governor is more loyal to the party/Biden than they are to their own re-election chances.

Voters are not going to punish Trump for Cooper's actions.

It's just more stupid conspiracy theories by the right.

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100%.

And I want Cooper out. I think he's been overly protective in many regards here. But all I see is anger at Cooper for these extensions. And I've never seen a politician willing to sacrifice their own skin.

But....it sounds good!

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Because he doesn't think he's sacrificing his own skin.

Packchem91 said:

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Civilized said:

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dogplasma said:

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I can understand where that viewpoint comes from, but since the pandemic response has been largely state-by-state, wouldn't the local officials be shooting themselves in the foot trying to oust Trump like that? It's not like Trump is way ahead in the polls, either.

ETA: Maybe you already answered that by likening it to a game of political chicken with the governors overplaying their hand. I personally don't think it's been mostly political but more of a difference in where different people draw the line between public safety and economic impact. MHO.

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Yes they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Cooper's actions are politically unpopular. He's hurting his own re-election chances by keeping us closed down. He thinks it's the right thing to do, and he's doing it. You can argue he's wrong but it makes zero sense that he's doing it to help the party. If the state economy suffers because he keeps us locked down, who do people blame, him or Trump? They blame him because he's the one keeping us shut down.

No governor is more loyal to the party/Biden than they are to their own re-election chances.

Voters are not going to punish Trump for Cooper's actions.

It's just more stupid conspiracy theories by the right.

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100%.

And I want Cooper out. I think he's been overly protective in many regards here. But all I see is anger at Cooper for these extensions. And I've never seen a politician willing to sacrifice their own skin.

But....it sounds good!

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Do you watch the local news broadcasts in NC? They aren't beating him up - quite the contrary.

packgrad said:

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Even the liberal cesspool that has celebrities and civilians fleeing like there's an incoming military attack, California, is drawing the ire of its residents because of lockdowns. There has been no hiding of their decisions being made simply to be contrary to what the president suggests. A couple of times they even announced the very next day they were not following his recommendations.

But the laws don't apply to the leaders though.

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What a sorry piece of trash she is!! Wonder if she was enjoying her gourmet ice cream while getting her hair done.