PackMom said:
Wearing my masks may not stop it, but it might keep it away from a few people. It's worth it to me.
Didn't mean it that way. Sorry I phrased it poorly.RunsWithWolves26 said:PackMom said:
Wearing my masks may not stop it, but it might keep it away from a few people. It's worth it to me.
Didn't say it wasn't. Simply responded back to someone saying doing distancing will never happen. It happened for months and the virus kept spreading and still is. If you want to wear a mask, by all means, wear a mask. Nothing I said says you shouldn't.
I tend to agree. I just got back into town from visiting my son. Had to take him the last set of things for his house and did his grocery shopping for him, so he does not have to risk exposure. He is currently negative for the virus (tested in last few days) and he wants to keep it that way. Staying negative for the virus allows him to continue conditioning and practicing on his own in the facilities.Mormad said:
I didn't see that many masks in public personally. I think effort or diligence or compliance (or whatever term makes you feel better) with masking would make a difference.
lumberpack5 said:
1. A lot of people are not very bright. Just a fact. I'd say this is half of those that do not wear.
2. There are some Trump and anti-government folks refusing to wear masks. I'd say this is 30% of those I run into and they are vociferous about it.
3. 20% forget.
I don't want to wear a mask. I just think its the considerate thing to do. And yes, I know that is something that is difficult to come by nowadays.RunsWithWolves26 said:Packchem91 said:Not like it is now.RunsWithWolves26 said:Mormad said:
I didn't see that many masks in public personally. I think effort or diligence or compliance (or whatever term makes you feel better) with masking would make a difference.
Everyone was locked down for months. Heard daily "15 to stop the spread" blah blah blah. Nothing changed. It kept spreading just like it will with mask being worn
Are you actually arguing we should not need to wear masks?
You've been griping for months to reopen. We have, in many cases. And we should expect some uptick in rates when doing so.
But it isn't asking you, or anyone else, too much to put a mask on so we don't, while going thru opening, putting us back into purgatory?
Actually, I was onboard and supported the shutdown for months. I responded to the never gonna happen comment. We tried all this shut down, wear masks, social distance, etc,etc, and the virus us still spreading. It ain't worked but if you wanna wear a mask, have at it. You ain't stopping this just like you ain't stopping the flu.
Packchem91 said:I don't want to wear a mask. I just think its the considerate thing to do. And yes, I know that is something that is difficult to come by nowadays.RunsWithWolves26 said:Packchem91 said:Not like it is now.RunsWithWolves26 said:Mormad said:
I didn't see that many masks in public personally. I think effort or diligence or compliance (or whatever term makes you feel better) with masking would make a difference.
Everyone was locked down for months. Heard daily "15 to stop the spread" blah blah blah. Nothing changed. It kept spreading just like it will with mask being worn
Are you actually arguing we should not need to wear masks?
You've been griping for months to reopen. We have, in many cases. And we should expect some uptick in rates when doing so.
But it isn't asking you, or anyone else, too much to put a mask on so we don't, while going thru opening, putting us back into purgatory?
Actually, I was onboard and supported the shutdown for months. I responded to the never gonna happen comment. We tried all this shut down, wear masks, social distance, etc,etc, and the virus us still spreading. It ain't worked but if you wanna wear a mask, have at it. You ain't stopping this just like you ain't stopping the flu.
And...pretty much every medical person, believer in science, and person of intelligence -- attributes I'd think NC State grads would be aligned with -- have suggested that while is most certainly not a preventative, it can absolutely reduce risks of spread.
There is a reason the United States and a bunch of backwards places like Brazil are still seeing rampant spread....where places accustomed to following orders of masks (and maybe...just maybe, more considerate people) are seeing a decline?
Daviewolf83 said:I tend to agree. I just got back into town from visiting my son. Had to take him the last set of things for his house and did his grocery shopping for him, so he does not have to risk exposure. He is currently negative for the virus (tested in last few days) and he wants to keep it that way. Staying negative for the virus allows him to continue conditioning and practicing on his own in the facilities.Mormad said:
I didn't see that many masks in public personally. I think effort or diligence or compliance (or whatever term makes you feel better) with masking would make a difference.
What I noticed this weekend with regards to masks is the following:
1. My wife and I went to a restaurant in the town of Wake Forest Friday night. We wore masks to enter (waited in car until table was ready), removed them to eat, put them on to leave. Of the patrons in the restaurant, I would estimate 25% wore masks - really a piss poor effort on the part of people.
2. On Saturday, went to a restaurant in Cameron Village and sat outside to eat. Wore masks until we decided to eat outside and the table was a good 8 feet or more away from others. My wife went inside to order and wore a mask. We sat outside without masks, since no one was near us. Put masks on to take our trash inside to dispose of it and kept masks on until in the car. Of the people I observed wearing a mask, I would estimate 80%, even though Raleigh now has a mask order in place.
3. After eating, went to one store in Cameron Village to shop. At the door, it said masks required to enter. My wife and I were already wearing masks, so not a problem at all. Everyone in the store was wearing a mask and seemed to be doing a good job of social distancing as well.
4. Saturday night, we chose to get takeout, due to our experience the night before at the Wake Forest restaurant.
5. In Winston-Salem, we had to to go to a grocery store. Of course, my wife and I wore masks and I would estimate 85-90% of people in the store were wearing masks.
6. My wife and I wore masks while dropping off stuff for my son. We got him takeout for lunch as well.
This was all of the social interaction we had this weekend and expect for the really poor job I saw of people wearing masks (or not wearing them), I was impressed with a couple of other locations. I really do not understand people's resistance to wearing a mask. It is easy and it does more good than harm. I really am tired of hearing excuses from people for not wearing one. It is our best hope of diminishing the spread of the virus and avoiding another lock-down. Plus, we really have to find a way to have college sports in the Fall. I can not express how devastating it will be to the athletes if the season is cancelled. If you are refusing to wear a mask now, you are just selfish. No other explanation will cut if for me.
Bottom line - your rights end where my lungs begin.
No. The two (2) liberal board experts have spoken. It's all Trump supporters!wilmwolf80 said:
Guess we should lump those inconsiderate backwards heathens in Sweden into that category.
wilmwolf80 said:
Guess we should lump those inconsiderate backwards heathens in Sweden into that category.
But those places that killed the most are done with the first wave. The plateau is coming from places that locked down before things got completely out of control but after the virus had already penetrated the community. It is exactly what 'flattening the curve' looks like. Ignore the healthcare capacity, since we didn't reach it. But at some point those who didn't control the virus (NY, NJ, MA, western Europe) have a curve that passes those that did. While those that were actually successful in preventing spiking continue to deal with it. That was kind of the point, wasn't it?Mormad said:
I have concerns that herd immunity is the answer with this or any virus.
For the same reasons, I have concerns about the efficacy of the current vaccines going to trial.
Both are dependent upon producing antibodies against the spike protein, a protein that will likely morph. We may produce antibodies, but we have no clue how long they'll last nor how much immunity they actually confer.
There are reasons we are still riding the plateaued wave of 25k cases a day and Europe has seen their wave decline. We can't get off the first wave to even start to discuss the possibility of a second wave.
TheStorm said:No. The two (2) liberal board experts have spoken. It's all Trump supporters!wilmwolf80 said:
Guess we should lump those inconsiderate backwards heathens in Sweden into that category.
I've been wearing a damn mask in public since the very beginning and more often than not I'm one of the very few wearing them. Still. Grocery stores there have been a higher percentage wearing them. Lowe's Home Improvement? Maybe 25% (and there are more now than there were at the beginning). ABC Stores? LOL.
I still have the damn thing around my neck anytime I go out, specifically so that if I am in the presence of others that are wearing one, I can put it on out of pure common courtesy. There is nothing wrong with anybody wanting to wear a mask and I can be courteous and wear one when it is necessary as well.
But it shouldn't become mandatory now. Not if it hasn't been mandatory all along. And definitely not for leftist politics. No - that's spelled N O - young people were wearing them for over two (2) months. Until the protests and riots that is. Why weren't they wearing them all along? Maybe they wear them at the protests for another convenient reason, who knows? (Lumber can do one of his famous scientific studies on it... and Civilized can chime in and agree with him)
I just stopped at a gas station / convenience store on Friday down here at the coast. I pretty much always pay at the pump - but this time I had to use the restroom, so I went inside. Place was packed. I was the only person wearing a mask. A lot of young people were in there on the way to the beach for the afternoon. No masks.
I'm still waiting to read about the first hot spot outbreak from one of the 350+/- ABC Stores around the state that were deemed as "essential services". Took them 2-3 weeks before they put up any splashguards... different construction method from store to store... about 1/4 of those workers are wearing masks anymore. They can't control who comes in and out of the door though. We talked about Lowe's Home Improvement and Home Depot. Why hasn't there been an outbreak from any place like that in North Carolina? These places get a heavy volume of Hispanic construction workers (within their mix of people from all backgrounds)... MAYBE you'll see one of the older ones (50+) wearing a mask.
But now all of a sudden after the riots and the looting and the pillaging... the masks are going to magically wipe out the virus - and anyone not wearing one is a Trump supporter. I guess Roy was a Trump supporter up until a couple of weeks ago, huh?
I definitely have the same concerns. People keep saying that we will be fine, once we get the vaccine and I cannot agree with them. I heard this yesterday from some family members. As I pointed out to them, a vaccine typically takes 5-10 years to develop, once it is developed it does not provide protection to all people, and even if effect, it will not be adopted by all people. Just look how hard it is for some people to allow their children to be vaccinated with the MMR vaccine. This is why I keep saying we are going to have to learn to deal with the virus and restart the economy with the virus present. One way to do this is by wearing masks.Mormad said:
I have concerns that herd immunity is the answer with this or any virus.
For the same reasons, I have concerns about the efficacy of the current vaccines going to trial.
Both are dependent upon producing antibodies against the spike protein, a protein that will likely morph. We may produce antibodies, but we have no clue how long they'll last nor how much immunity they actually confer.
There are reasons we are still riding the plateaued wave of 25k cases a day and Europe has seen their wave decline. We can't get off the first wave to even start to discuss the possibility of a second wave.
My father was a bit more restrictive.Daviewolf83 said:...Mormad said:
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Bottom line - your rights end where my lungs begin.
I agree with you. Ultimately, masks or no, other forms of preventative measures are needed -- like pairing with smart behavior and social distancing.wilmwolf80 said:
No amount of wearing masks will make it go away. Wearing masks is an extension of staying at home, designed just to slow the spread of the virus. If/until a vaccine or treatment is created, the virus will continue to exist and will continue to kill people. Actually, it will continue to do that forever, just like other similar viruses do, it will just fall down to the range of deaths that society has silently agreed are acceptable for whatever reason. Despite all of the concern that we are somehow mismanaging this thing, deaths countrywide were at a two month low yesterday. It will jump up when the weekend reporting catches up, but it is still trending downward. If not for the epic, mind blowing failures regarding long term care facilities, how much better would our numbers look?
I have no problem wearing a mask. I have been and will continue to do so. If it means we get back closer to normal sooner, I'm all for it. But people shouldn't be under the mistaken idea that they are going to get the virus from passing someone on the sidewalk who isn't wearing a mask. We also don't need to jump to shame people who aren't wearing masks inside places like grocery stores. If there are ten people in a store, and eight of them are wearing a mask, that's ok. Yes, I've seen the graphic your Aunt Karen posted on Facebook about the odds of transmission with one person wearing a mask versus both people wearing masks, but as long as you aren't engaged in an extended, close quarter conversation with that person, just go on about your business without worry. Politicizing wearing masks is stupid, and both sides are doing it, so there is no moral high ground there.
6/22/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)Wayland said:6/21/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)Wayland said:6/20/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)Wayland said:6/19/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)Wayland said:6/18/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)Wayland said:Quote:
6/16/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)
NC Cases
45,853
NC Deaths
1154
Currently Hospitalized
829 <- 85% still stable since increased from 73% yesterday reporting
Completed Tests
651,421
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723 Deaths are now Congregate (+17)
97 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+7)
+36 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
334 Deaths assumed General Population (+12)
820 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+24)
193 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+6)
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WRAL is at 1196* and NandO is at 1169 deaths
751 positive cases over 12,942 new tests. 5.8% positive rate.
6/17/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 12:00pm)
NC Cases
46,855
NC Deaths
1168
Currently Hospitalized
846 <- 86% reporting (was 829 at 85% yesterday)
Completed Tests
667,422
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729 Deaths are now Congregate (+6)
99 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+14 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
340 Deaths assumed General Population (+6)
828 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+8)
195 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)
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WRAL is at 1208* and NandO is at 1181 deaths
1002 positive cases over 16,001 new tests. 6.3% positive rate.
Dates of deaths reported today:
5/22 - 1
5/31 - 1
6/2 - 1
6/13 -2
6/14 - 2
6/15 - 3
6/16 - 4
Don't know who the back log belongs to. I think the majority of the deaths today were reported out of Meck/Guilford. But since they are also the two hardest places, just as likely to be the current reports.
NC Cases
48,188
NC Deaths
1175
Currently Hospitalized
857 <- 88% reporting (was 846 at 86% yesterday) still roughly stable. higher % report.
Completed Tests
693,678
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733 Deaths are now Congregate (+4)
99 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+0)
+14 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
343 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
832 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+4)
195 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+2)
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WRAL is at 1222* and NandO is at 1181 deaths
1333 positive cases over 26,256 new tests. 5.1% positive rate.
7 deaths reported today occurred between 6/11 and 6/17
54% of the delta in the case ethnicity data (where available) were Hispanic.
NC Cases
49,840
NC Deaths
1197
Currently Hospitalized
871 <- 91% reporting (was 857 at 88% yesterday) new high, but higher %. Roughly stable
Completed Tests
712,313
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745 Deaths are now Congregate (+12)
105 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+6)
+22 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
347 Deaths assumed General Population (+4)
850 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+18)
191 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (-4)
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WRAL is at 1235* and NandO is at 1181 deaths
1652 positive cases over 18,638 new tests. 8.9% positive rate.
These hospitalizations need to go down. The only bright side is that the % of reporting hospitals has increased each day that the overall number has increased. The number is relatively stable but NEEDS to decline.
The case total is lower than last Friday, so not a new high. That is a positive we see a little case stabilization, maybe.
16 of the deaths reported today are from the last week. There was an adjustment and one death was removed from 5/27. One death reported today was as far back as 5/17, one additional on 5/31.
Deaths are still being driven by congregate facilities.
Of the cases with a reported ethnicity, over 50% of new cases are Hispanic.
NC Cases
51389
NC Deaths
1212
Currently Hospitalized
883 <- 87% reporting (was 871 at 91% yesterday) new high.
Completed Tests
731,341
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749 Deaths are now Congregate (+4)
106 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+1)
+15 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
357 Deaths assumed General Population (+10)
855 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+5)
192 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (+1)
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WRAL is at 1262* deaths (Questionable sourcing. Doesn't make corrections when numbers adjusted)
NandO is at 1197 deaths (may be no longer keeping separate count from DHHS)
1549 positive cases over 19028 new tests. 8.1% positive rate.
Hospitalizations creeping up. Both ICU and overall are higher. Still need to turn that corner. First day in a while not driven by congregate deaths. Most of the ICU increases are coming out of EHPC (Eastern NC) and MHPC (Meck). Most other groups are relatively stable.
NC Cases
52801
NC Deaths
1220
Currently Hospitalized
845<- 74% reporting (was 883 at 87% yesterday) Lower reporting %. Stable/Small increase
Completed Tests
745,775
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752 Deaths are now Congregate (+3)
108 Deaths are now Unknown Setting (+2)
+8 Deaths Overall since yesterday.
360 Deaths assumed General Population (+3)
860 Congregate and Unknown Setting. (+5)
190 Congregate Facilities now have an outbreak. (-2)
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WRAL is at 1269* deaths (Questionable sourcing. Doesn't make corrections when numbers adjusted)
NandO is at 1197 deaths (may be no longer keeping separate count from DHHS)
1412 positive cases over 14434 new tests. 9.8% positive rate.
3 day case rate reported last 6/12-6/14 = 4638, 6/19-621 = 4613. Cases stable week over week.
60% of new cases with ethnicity reported today are Hispanic. Need to keep focusing resources there to help.
metcalfmafia said:
My pool reopened today. All is right in the world.
Civilized said:metcalfmafia said:
My pool reopened today. All is right in the world.
Cheers to that!
Our pool reopening a few weeks ago, is one of the few things that has kept me sane. Given me a place to go where things almost still feel normal.metcalfmafia said:Civilized said:metcalfmafia said:
My pool reopened today. All is right in the world.
Cheers to that!
Might cheers a little early today. Don't tell the boss!
packgrad said:
Ours too. We have 2 time periods where you can go so that the staff can clean between. You can only go to one session and you have to make reservations at least the day before and can't attend without a reservation. Our pool was rarely full before this. Not a fan of the reservation system, but at least we have the pool!
