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wolfpackin24 said:

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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Not angering me, and I understand your viewpoint as well. I think we are all very frustrated at this point with the entire situation because it has the grips on everyone. It just stinks because had we been proactive about this rather than reactive, maybe we aren't in the situation we are currently in.

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When my wife came home from the hospital this morning she told me that they were requiring everyone to wear a surgical mask that was in the hospital and that she had to drop it off in a box to be reused on the way out. She was also told that she wasn't allowed to wear her own mask underneath the mask that she was provided, even though what the hospital is providing is being reused. That's damn crazy and just asking for problems. I've tried to send her to work with a respirator or even just the smaller dust mask (n95) that i keep at the shop but she has been told she wasn't allowed.

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griff17matt said:

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Mormad said:

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wolfpackin24 said:

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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And I'm sure the single mother of 3 who lost her waitress job finds your "at least you'll sorta be alive" argument hollow as she gets kicked out of her house and can't put food on the table while you keep collecting that check, however well earned it may be. There are many facets to this and yes the human life that will be taken by this virus should be limited in any way possible. But you can't just shut down the country and peoples ability to provide for their families so you can protect those that are generally predisposed to succumbing to this virus. You just can't. If you save 2 million lives and completely ruin 3 generations for 20 million, which is worse? That's not a decision I want to make on my own, but it can't just be dismissed because of the field you're in and the cases you see.

With all that said, thank you for all you're doing to combat this and I hope this whole episode is behind us sooner rather than later.

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This just got very real for me. My wife and I are young and healthy enough that we were worried about our parents, but not really ourselves.

Well she's pregnant. We're really, really happy. Also really scared about what an infection could do this early in the pregnancy. She's considered an essential worker so she can't quarantine at home unless she wants to quit. We don't really know what to do at this point other than to be exceedingly careful.

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Congrats Ise on the upcoming baby. It was the happiest day of my life when I found out that i was gonna be a father.

I can't tell you what you or your wife should do, but we are in the same situation with my wife being pregnant and an nurse so she is essential, and I can tell you the conversation that we had just this morning. I told her that if she decided to walk away from her job until after everything blows over or she gave birth I would fully support her decision and we would figure out how to make things work. I also told her that it was her decision at the end of the day and if she wanted to continue to work i supported that as well. Its a tough situation for sure all the way around.

If you want to talk it through with someone who is in the same situation shoot me a message.

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griff17matt said:

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Mormad said:

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wolfpackin24 said:

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Mormad said:

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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And I'm sure the single mother of 3 who lost her waitress job finds your "at least you'll sorta be alive" argument hollow as she gets kicked out of her house and can't put food on the table while you keep collecting that check, however well earned it may be. There are many facets to this and yes the human life that will be taken by this virus should be limited in any way possible. But you can't just shut down the country and peoples ability to provide for their families so you can protect those that are generally predisposed to succumbing to this virus. You just can't. If you save 2 million lives and completely ruin 3 generations for 20 million, which is worse? That's not a decision I want to make on my own, but it can't just be dismissed because of the field you're in and the cases you see.

With all that said, thank you for all you're doing to combat this and I hope this whole episode is behind us sooner rather than later.

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That's the part I struggle to wrap my head around. What is the tipping point of saving lives from the virus and destroying our way of life for a generation? I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I lost my grandmother to complications from the flu in early March. Her poor health required her to live with an aunt. My grandmother was home bound other than doctor visits. She still got the flu and she died. It sucks, but we're all headed that way from the day we're born. Maybe it's a recency bias for me with her death, but I just can't help but feel like we're burning down the forest to keep from selectively logging it.

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Everpack said:

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griff17matt said:

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Mormad said:

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wolfpackin24 said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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Mormad said:

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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And I'm sure the single mother of 3 who lost her waitress job finds your "at least you'll sorta be alive" argument hollow as she gets kicked out of her house and can't put food on the table while you keep collecting that check, however well earned it may be. There are many facets to this and yes the human life that will be taken by this virus should be limited in any way possible. But you can't just shut down the country and peoples ability to provide for their families so you can protect those that are generally predisposed to succumbing to this virus. You just can't. If you save 2 million lives and completely ruin 3 generations for 20 million, which is worse? That's not a decision I want to make on my own, but it can't just be dismissed because of the field you're in and the cases you see.

With all that said, thank you for all you're doing to combat this and I hope this whole episode is behind us sooner rather than later.

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That's the part I struggle to wrap my head around. What is the tipping point of saving lives from the virus and destroying our way of life for a generation? I mentioned it earlier in the thread, but I lost my grandmother to complications from the flu in early March. Her poor health required her to live with an aunt. My grandmother was home bound other than doctor visits. She still got the flu and she died. It sucks, but we're all headed that way from the day we're born. Maybe it's a recency bias for me with her death, but I just can't help but feel like we're burning down the forest to keep from selectively logging it.

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That's the problem my brother, this virus doesn't selectively log. Babies, young and healthy, my peers...it doesn't care.

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This just got very real for me. My wife and I are young and healthy enough that we were worried about our parents, but not really ourselves.

Well she's pregnant. We're really, really happy. Also really scared about what an infection could do this early in the pregnancy. She's considered an essential worker so she can't quarantine at home unless she wants to quit. We don't really know what to do at this point other than to be exceedingly careful.

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Congrats Ise on the upcoming baby. It was the happiest day of my life when I found out that i was gonna be a father.

I can't tell you what you or your wife should do, but we are in the same situation with my wife being pregnant and an nurse so she is essential, and I can tell you the conversation that we had just this morning. I told her that if she decided to walk away from her job until after everything blows over or she gave birth I would fully support her decision and we would figure out how to make things work. I also told her that it was her decision at the end of the day and if she wanted to continue to work i supported that as well. Its a tough situation for sure all the way around.

If you want to talk it through with someone who is in the same situation shoot me a message.

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Thank you.

This is so new. We are still trying to talk about what the current situation needs for us.

Prayers for you and your wife to stay healthy.

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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Everything in government is political. It's political to investigate and political to not investigate.

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cowboypack02 said:

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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Everything in government is political. It's political to investigate and political to not investigate.

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Or the government could attempt to work together until we actually open back up the economy and they decide what they want to do from there. I think its pretty damn tone death of the democrats to go ahead and form a committee for this while folks cant even go to work yet.

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Ground_Chuck said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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Ground_Chuck said:

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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Everything in government is political. It's political to investigate and political to not investigate.

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Or the government could attempt to work together until we actually open back up the economy and they decide what they want to do from there. I think its pretty damn tone death of the democrats to go ahead and form a committee for this while folks cant even go to work yet.

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The government has passed 3 trillion dollars worth of relief. They've worked together as much as anyone can hope.

It doesn't make any difference which side of that you talk about either.....~50% is relief and ~50% is fluff. I know that's the way it always is but I wonder when that started getting out of hand? I guess fluff to one is not fluff to another but I see fluff on both sides that ain't relief. I guess a lot of the relief will be stolen too?

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cowboypack02 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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I know everyone gets uptight when politics get brought into this...but parts of our government have made this a political thing:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/with-virus-crisis-raging-pelosi-schiff-ramp-up-new-trump-investigations

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Everything in government is political. It's political to investigate and political to not investigate.

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Or the government could attempt to work together until we actually open back up the economy and they decide what they want to do from there. I think its pretty damn tone death of the democrats to go ahead and form a committee for this while folks cant even go to work yet.

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From what I'm seeing in our hospitals you couldn't be more wrong. Another dead and more intubated this am. ICU at our sister hospital already full. This sht is effing for real, and the sooner people realize that and stay the eff at home the better we'll be and the less that will die. Bottom line.

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The Georgia governor just found out that it can be passed by people who had no symptoms; in Georgia the home of the CDC. Florida and PA got on board yesterday. A lot of people used to call it all a HOAX. I heard it on FOX news and a dude on the radio stated it several times and a guy with a red hat on said he knew as much about it as the scientist and doctors behind him, he even stated maybe that is what he should be doing for a living. BIGtime.

Some states and their governor still are in that mode....and there is a common denominator...

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/490695-several-states-have-yet-to-issue-stay-at-home-orders

Dr. Fauci just stated that every state should issue a stay-at-home-order.

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NC continues to be below the lower limit on the model that Davie was tracking. The lower limit for yesterday was 20 deaths. We were at 18. We had 3 deaths in the state yesterday. Hope we continue to trend lower than the model.

Edit... did not mean this as a reply to a poster. Just a reply all.

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NC continues to be below the lower limit on the model that Davie was tracking. The lower limit for yesterday was 20 deaths. We were at 18. We had 3 deaths in the state yesterday. Hope we continue to trend lower than the model.

Edit... did not mean this as a reply to a poster. Just a reply all.

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NC seems to be outperforming some of our peer states. Knock on wood and hope this continues.

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I am waiting for NC to release their official numbers later this morning (typically around 11am), before I update my spreadsheet. I have seen conflicting numbers this morning on media reports (saw 18 and 20), which is why I always wait for the mid-day update. Some media reports include people traveling through NC that are not residents of the state and some do not, which is why I prefer to wait for the official number.

You can see the official numbers at the following site. There is also good information on the numbers for ICU beds and ventilators and ICU beds available.

NCDHHS Covid-19 Website

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