I'm almost certain that's 6.64 million NEW on top of the 3.3 million last week. We are at 10 million already over the last two weeks

At this point, there really isn't any difference in people milling around in Home Depot or Costco and people drinking at a bar. Unless you are going to force everyone to stay at home with the National Guard, people are going to go where they are allowed to go. If you leave some businesses open, people are going to go there. Maybe it slows it down enough to keep the hospitals from collapsing, but at some point, they're just going to have to open everything back up and let the chips fall where they may I think. I don't think we can sustain tens of millions of people on unemployment for very long.

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Respectfully, I don't think you do understand their role. if you are saying that it does not matter that they are a propaganda bullhorn for China.

Maybe you're just thread policing though. Who knows what is allowed to talk about on this thread anymore? Can't talk about deaths as they are related to traffic accidents, but can talk about condo rentals. The world health organization is now irrelevant, but early in the thread they were who we are supposed to listen to. Who knows?

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Maybe I don't understand their role, or maybe I don't understand your interpretation of their role.

I agree with your last comment. They are irrelevant now to US decisions. That was the point I was kind of getting at. Does it matter what the WHO is saying now?

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It specifically states their role. If you don't understand it, I can't make you. The WHO doesn't affect our decisions now. Perhaps they did before.

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I noticed the total deaths went up by 3,000-4,000 a day each of the past 2 days. Hoping to see that total increase each day decline soon. For some reason, j don't see total cases leveling off until around next weekend. Sure hope I am wrong

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Did you mean cases and not deaths? I am not seeing total deaths increasing by 3-4,000 a day. As you pointed out and as confirmed in the Worldometer tracking, new deaths increased by 1,049 yesterday.

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I did mean cases not deaths. Thanks for catching that!!!

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What are the chances I will be able to go to my honeymoon in Jamaica at the end of May?

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I'd see if they'll let you push the booking by a month.

I was hoping to plan a trip in June..., just wanted to see some national parks out West. So far I've held off

Could we see a point where infected Americans from places like NYC are actually sent to hospitals in other states where we have open beds, ventilators, etc? Or is that not feasible?

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Could we see a point where infected Americans from places like NYC are actually sent to hospitals in other states where we have open beds, ventilators, etc? Or is that not feasible?

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I guess it's possible, but I also think it would be a little nearsighted as those localities will end up getting hit as well at some point.

Transporting sick people from one area to another would violate every tenet about stopping the spread of an infectious disease. As bad as it is, and as bad as it will get, for the hospitals in the hotspot areas, they are going to have to endure.

Doctors/Nurses from metros around the country have been going to NY to help. Don't think we need to start sending their patients around the country though. It seems they still have plenty of room in areas outside of Queens (unfortunately where my sister lives).

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Could we see a point where infected Americans from places like NYC are actually sent to hospitals in other states where we have open beds, ventilators, etc? Or is that not feasible?

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I think the issue is more about ventilators than it is actual bed space. From this standpoint, I think it is possible you could see some states that are less hard hit sending ventilators to NYC than you would see moving patients to other states. Unfortunately, many of the neighboring states to NYC are also hard hit. The governor of NY has mention the possibility of balancing patients in NY and sending some from NYC to other hospitals in areas of NY that are less impacted.

The Federal government is also holding ventilators in the stockpile and not sending them out yet. They are waiting to see where the need is an send them out rapidly when an area gets to capacity. I personally believe this is the right decision at the moment.

https://www.ncdhhs.gov/covid-19-case-count-nc

3/31/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases*
1,498
NC Deaths**
8
Currently Hospitalized
157

4/1/2020 Morning DHHS update

NC Cases*
1584
NC Deaths**
10
Currently Hospitalized
204


4/2/2020 Morning DHHS update (as of 11:00am)

NC Cases*
1857
NC Deaths**
16
Currently Hospitalized
184

Hospitalizations down 20. About a roughly 6.7% positive test rate between yesterday and today.

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What are the chances I will be able to go to my honeymoon in Jamaica at the end of May?

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Congrats man!

But nah...don't think it's gonna happen

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Respectfully, I don't think you do understand their role. if you are saying that it does not matter that they are a propaganda bullhorn for China.

Maybe you're just thread policing though. Who knows what is allowed to talk about on this thread anymore? Can't talk about deaths as they are related to traffic accidents, but can talk about condo rentals. The world health organization is now irrelevant, but early in the thread they were who we are supposed to listen to. Who knows?

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Maybe I don't understand their role, or maybe I don't understand your interpretation of their role.

I agree with your last comment. They are irrelevant now to US decisions. That was the point I was kind of getting at. Does it matter what the WHO is saying now?

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It specifically states their role. If you don't understand it, I can't make you. The WHO doesn't affect our decisions now. Perhaps they did before.

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So we agree, doesn't matter now. We didn't listen before so it didn't really matter then either.

We knew this is what was going to happen. Actually, a large portion of this thread is people trying to convince people like you (and specifically you) that this was going to happen.

But you thought it was media hype and overreaction.

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The WHO absolutely affected our decision making process previously and to say it didn't is asinine. The WHO reporting the cases and info out of China made us believe...as has been stated by Dr. Birx..this was a SARS type infection (which to some degree it is and in the same family) but that containment would be similar to the SARS outbreak. It is not...and therefore preparedness suffered. I'm not saying that's the ONLY reason it suffered. There's plenty of blame to be laid. The WHO also reported chinas initial reports it was not transmitted person to person. As well the WHO is an organization still saying masks don't help. So stop..again...there's no one person group or organization to blame...but to say they didn't affect policy is not honest

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I did a quick google search, apparently blaming the WHO for the US slow reaction is a new talking point in conservative media.

FWIW, WHOs site recommends wearing a mask if you are coughing/sneezing, and when caring for a person who may have covid19.

The person to person claim comes from a mid January report. It was amended as data became available.

I don't see in evidence that this influenced the US to react as if covid19 was "just the flu" or a "hoax."

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The WHO absolutely affected our decision making process previously and to say it didn't is asinine. The WHO reporting the cases and info out of China made us believe...as has been stated by Dr. Birx..this was a SARS type infection (which to some degree it is and in the same family) but that containment would be similar to the SARS outbreak. It is not...and therefore preparedness suffered. I'm not saying that's the ONLY reason it suffered. There's plenty of blame to be laid. The WHO also reported chinas initial reports it was not transmitted person to person. As well the WHO is an organization still saying masks don't help. So stop..again...there's no one person group or organization to blame...but to say they didn't affect policy is not honest

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I did a quick google search, apparently blaming the WHO for the US slow reaction is a new talking point in conservative media.

FWIW, WHOs site recommends wearing a mask if you are coughing/sneezing, and when caring for a person who may have covid19.

The person to person claim comes from a mid January report. It was amended as data became available.

I don't see in evidence that this influenced the US to react as if covid19 was "just the flu" or a "hoax."

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"Hoax" is a liberal talking point/complete misrepresentation.

Things ramping up quickly. 4 more intubated this am at Wesley Long and ICU now full. The next 3 weeks are gonna be a wild ride.

From what I'm seeing in our hospitals you couldn't be more wrong. Another dead and more intubated this am. ICU at our sister hospital already full. This sht is effing for real, and the sooner people realize that and stay the eff at home the better we'll be and the less that will die. Bottom line.

Promising news

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/coronavirus-vaccine-pittsburgh-university-lancet-study-covid-pandemic-a9442536.html

How many icu beds does your and your sister hospital have?

I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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What are the chances I will be able to go to my honeymoon in Jamaica at the end of May?

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I'd see if they'll let you push the booking by a month.

I was hoping to plan a trip in June..., just wanted to see some national parks out West. So far I've held off

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I have reservations in West Yellowstone and Jackson for the week of July 4-11 to go to Yellowstone and Grand Tetons with the family. I gather the issue is the small towns on the edge of the park where people do stay -- which have very small home populations, and no infra to support if many of them get ill because world travelers are staying there.

The hosts of the two homes I've rented say they are hearing end of June....but of course, that is purely speculative.

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I guess it's possible, but I also think it would be a little nearsighted as those localities will end up getting hit as well at some point.

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They are sending them to other parts of NY -- like Albany, already.

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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Sobering perspective.

This just got very real for me. My wife and I are young and healthy enough that we were worried about our parents, but not really ourselves.

Well she's pregnant. We're really, really happy. Also really scared about what an infection could do this early in the pregnancy. She's considered an essential worker so she can't quarantine at home unless she wants to quit. We don't really know what to do at this point other than to be exceedingly careful.

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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This just got very real for me. My wife and I are young and healthy enough that we were worried about our parents, but not really ourselves.

Well she's pregnant. We're really, really happy. Also really scared about what an infection could do this early in the pregnancy. She's considered an essential worker so she can't quarantine at home unless she wants to quit. We don't really know what to do at this point other than to be exceedingly careful.

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Congrats Ise on the upcoming baby. It was the happiest day of my life when I found out that i was gonna be a father.

I can't tell you what you or your wife should do, but we are in the same situation with my wife being pregnant and an nurse so she is essential, and I can tell you the conversation that we had just this morning. I told her that if she decided to walk away from her job until after everything blows over or she gave birth I would fully support her decision and we would figure out how to make things work. I also told her that it was her decision at the end of the day and if she wanted to continue to work i supported that as well. Its a tough situation for sure all the way around.

If you want to talk it through with someone who is in the same situation shoot me a message.

When my wife came home from the hospital this morning she told me that they were requiring everyone to wear a surgical mask that was in the hospital and that she had to drop it off in a box to be reused on the way out. She was also told that she wasn't allowed to wear her own mask underneath the mask that she was provided, even though what the hospital is providing is being reused. That's damn crazy and just asking for problems. I've tried to send her to work with a respirator or even just the smaller dust mask (n95) that i keep at the shop but she has been told she wasn't allowed.

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I think Wesley has about 18, but that is a 500 percent increase in ICU cases in 3 days. 2 dead already. Our hospital has many more beds, but if Wesley filled up that fast, they'll fill ours up pretty quickly. It just chafes my ass when I leave the hospital after watching this virus destroy lives and destroy families to read nonsense about hysteria, politics, and overreaction. How many have to die before it becomes a real problem and one that people should heed the pleas, advice, and warnings of those who see it everyday? It's flabbergasting. Sorry to rant, but I just find it so ridiculous. I've lost a shtload of money, income, and I've seen my friends lose businesses, but there are outcomes worse than that, so I'm sensitive to those who are worried or angry about that aspect of this pandemic. But there are worse things you could lose, and we're simply trying to limit how often people lose their loved ones.

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For some on here, it will only be serious and not political, or a hoax, or whatever else when they have someone they are close to die. At that point, it will be to late to be outraged or upset about it. If you don't take it seriously when it isn't affecting your loved ones at the moment, don't take it seriously when it does.

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Same could be said regarding a variety of different topics. Imagine working in the hospitals on the south side of Chicago that are just a revolving door of gun shot victims. People die all the time and from a variety of different reasons. I am not saying that this virus isn't serious but I am not going to completely shut my life down because of it. (Or at least I wasn't until I was forced to). The issue is we weren't prepared and hospitals are overwhelmed, not the fact that the virus kills people.

Furthermore, if you have a history of depression and suicide in your family as I do, I am sure you would worry a lot more about how these extreme measures we are forcing people to take are affecting folks mental health. Let's not lose site of the collateral damage we are causing by virtually shutting down the country.

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Oh I agree there will certainly be collateral damage, but I suspect more would die of this virus than will die of the collateral damage. One way or the other we have to try to limit the death toll. The death toll for collateral damage will pale in comparison to this virus, especially if we just everybody continue to go about their business unchanged. You might not let it shut down your life, but you may let it take your life. And yes people are dying every day from one tragedy or another, but there are already measures to try to limit those deaths (we can argue effectiveness), and those deaths related to covid are IN ADDITION to those every day deaths. So measures have been taken, and yes they're drastic, but damn if they're not necessary. So I find the "people are dying every day" arguement to be hollow. Just let more die so you don't have to shut your life down? That sounds a little ridiculous? I'm really not trying to be a tailhole, so I hope I'm not angering anyone. This just hits really close to home for me.

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Not angering me, and I understand your viewpoint as well. I think we are all very frustrated at this point with the entire situation because it has the grips on everyone. It just stinks because had we been proactive about this rather than reactive, maybe we aren't in the situation we are currently in.