We all have. 2009 H1N1.ciscopack said:Ever been in a Pandemic before?WarrenPeace said:
It's so effin stupid. Absolutely ridiculous. It's like they are conditioning us for Socialism. Never thought I'd see the day where you can't go to church, can't go to work, can't go to school, can't go get a haircut, can't go out to eat, and can't have a kids birthday party. Over what? 77 people in the hospital. Ridiculous.
King Leary said:
I hate the reporters asking "can everyone have one" when it comes to tests or ventilators.
Of course all 300 million Americans can't ****ing have one. It's just them trying to catch POTUS with a gotcha question.
And here I was thinking it was a HOAX or something that Johnson and Johnson started. I guess Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci are either insane or habitual liars?....at least someone is a habitual liar.Pacfanweb said:We all have. 2009 H1N1.ciscopack said:Ever been in a Pandemic before?WarrenPeace said:
It's so effin stupid. Absolutely ridiculous. It's like they are conditioning us for Socialism. Never thought I'd see the day where you can't go to church, can't go to work, can't go to school, can't go get a haircut, can't go out to eat, and can't have a kids birthday party. Over what? 77 people in the hospital. Ridiculous.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-pandemic-timeline.html
Pacfanweb said:Yeah, it most certainly DID threaten hospitals.ncsualum05 said:H1N1 didn't threaten to overload the hospitals or shut down society. Wasn't near as lethal. I've never seen anything like this before. Obama admin barfed all over it because it should've never been as bad as it was. But only people who have seen anything like this would be over 100 years old now. And how difficult and expensive is to make and stock ventilators? How many do people keep on hand normally. Seems to me no one can answer the question or it's simply unfeasible to stockpile ventilators to the degree needed for this pandemic.RunsWithWolves26 said:
Trump can't answer the question about ventilator's. Was asked if everyone would have one. Can't answer the question. Also says noone has ever seen a pandemic the likes of this one before. Has he never heard of H1N1 10 years ago? I go back to what I've said here before. Please let Dr. Berx, Dr. Fauci, and VP Pence do the majority of the talking. The press conferences are much better that way.
"May 8, 2009 (CIDRAP News) With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads."
H1N1 had nearly 275,000 hospitalizations from 4/2009 to 4/2010, estimated (by CDC) 60 million cases, and nearly 12,500 deaths.
So far COVID has caused roughly 11,000 hospitalizations, 1530 deaths, and right at 100k cases.
Within 3 months of the first case of H1N1, we had 1 million cases of it. We're not tracking anywhere close to that with COVID so far.
It's not even CLOSE to being as bad as H1N1, but it's been hyped much more. Why?
Pacfanweb said:Yeah, it most certainly DID threaten hospitals.ncsualum05 said:H1N1 didn't threaten to overload the hospitals or shut down society. Wasn't near as lethal. I've never seen anything like this before. Obama admin barfed all over it because it should've never been as bad as it was. But only people who have seen anything like this would be over 100 years old now. And how difficult and expensive is to make and stock ventilators? How many do people keep on hand normally. Seems to me no one can answer the question or it's simply unfeasible to stockpile ventilators to the degree needed for this pandemic.RunsWithWolves26 said:
Trump can't answer the question about ventilator's. Was asked if everyone would have one. Can't answer the question. Also says noone has ever seen a pandemic the likes of this one before. Has he never heard of H1N1 10 years ago? I go back to what I've said here before. Please let Dr. Berx, Dr. Fauci, and VP Pence do the majority of the talking. The press conferences are much better that way.
"May 8, 2009 (CIDRAP News) With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads."
H1N1 had nearly 275,000 hospitalizations from 4/2009 to 4/2010, estimated (by CDC) 60 million cases, and nearly 12,500 deaths.
So far COVID has caused roughly 11,000 hospitalizations, 1530 deaths, and right at 100k cases.
Within 3 months of the first case of H1N1, we had 1 million cases of it. We're not tracking anywhere close to that with COVID so far.
It's not even CLOSE to being as bad as H1N1, but it's been hyped much more. Why?
Ground_Chuck said:Pacfanweb said:Yeah, it most certainly DID threaten hospitals.ncsualum05 said:H1N1 didn't threaten to overload the hospitals or shut down society. Wasn't near as lethal. I've never seen anything like this before. Obama admin barfed all over it because it should've never been as bad as it was. But only people who have seen anything like this would be over 100 years old now. And how difficult and expensive is to make and stock ventilators? How many do people keep on hand normally. Seems to me no one can answer the question or it's simply unfeasible to stockpile ventilators to the degree needed for this pandemic.RunsWithWolves26 said:
Trump can't answer the question about ventilator's. Was asked if everyone would have one. Can't answer the question. Also says noone has ever seen a pandemic the likes of this one before. Has he never heard of H1N1 10 years ago? I go back to what I've said here before. Please let Dr. Berx, Dr. Fauci, and VP Pence do the majority of the talking. The press conferences are much better that way.
"May 8, 2009 (CIDRAP News) With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads."
H1N1 had nearly 275,000 hospitalizations from 4/2009 to 4/2010, estimated (by CDC) 60 million cases, and nearly 12,500 deaths.
So far COVID has caused roughly 11,000 hospitalizations, 1530 deaths, and right at 100k cases.
Within 3 months of the first case of H1N1, we had 1 million cases of it. We're not tracking anywhere close to that with COVID so far.
It's not even CLOSE to being as bad as H1N1, but it's been hyped much more. Why?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid-19-pandemic-vs-swine-flu.html
According to this, the mortality rate of h1n1 was 0.02% with an R0 of 1.46. Estimates for the mortality rate of Covid19 is 2% with an R0 of somewhere between 2-2.5.
So covid19 has 100x the mortality rate and 50% more infectious.
Maybe. Maybe not. It's very early. There has been 11 years of revising the numbers for H1N1. They've added millions and millions of presumed cases to those numbers over the years, which has driven down the mortality rate.Ground_Chuck said:Pacfanweb said:Yeah, it most certainly DID threaten hospitals.ncsualum05 said:H1N1 didn't threaten to overload the hospitals or shut down society. Wasn't near as lethal. I've never seen anything like this before. Obama admin barfed all over it because it should've never been as bad as it was. But only people who have seen anything like this would be over 100 years old now. And how difficult and expensive is to make and stock ventilators? How many do people keep on hand normally. Seems to me no one can answer the question or it's simply unfeasible to stockpile ventilators to the degree needed for this pandemic.RunsWithWolves26 said:
Trump can't answer the question about ventilator's. Was asked if everyone would have one. Can't answer the question. Also says noone has ever seen a pandemic the likes of this one before. Has he never heard of H1N1 10 years ago? I go back to what I've said here before. Please let Dr. Berx, Dr. Fauci, and VP Pence do the majority of the talking. The press conferences are much better that way.
"May 8, 2009 (CIDRAP News) With the global outbreak of novel H1N1 influenza (swine flu) entering its fourth week, physicians at emergency rooms, clinics, and hospitals around the United States say they are overwhelmed with "worried well" who have as much as doubled their patient loads."
H1N1 had nearly 275,000 hospitalizations from 4/2009 to 4/2010, estimated (by CDC) 60 million cases, and nearly 12,500 deaths.
So far COVID has caused roughly 11,000 hospitalizations, 1530 deaths, and right at 100k cases.
Within 3 months of the first case of H1N1, we had 1 million cases of it. We're not tracking anywhere close to that with COVID so far.
It's not even CLOSE to being as bad as H1N1, but it's been hyped much more. Why?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid-19-pandemic-vs-swine-flu.html
According to this, the mortality rate of h1n1 was 0.02% with an R0 of 1.46. Estimates for the mortality rate of Covid19 is 2% with an R0 of somewhere between 2-2.5.
So covid19 has 100x the mortality rate and 50% more infectious.
We HAVE acted. The real numbers will come out eventually. I'm just commenting on the numbers.Mormad said:
I'm sorry but a 2 percent mortality rate is high. If I told my patients I had a 2 percent mortality in my surgeries I'd be run out of practice. Your point about not knowing the true incidence is well taken, but until we do know the true incidence we can't really afford to assume the best when the downside risk is a 2 percent mortality of a virus that could infect a very large number of people, right? Or should we just wait for 1000s upon 1000s to die before we decide to act and let the disease prove its death rate? There are indeed instances when stating 100x something is overly dramatic, but it's silly to say a .02 percent mortality rate is comparable IN ANY WAY to a 2 percent mortality rate.
Steve Williams said:
All broadcast TV needed to slow its ratings decline was a coronavirus pandemic
Coronavirus is putting a temporary halt to the decades-long decline in broadcast television viewership.
TV ratings for the four major US broadcast networksABC, NBC, Fox, and CBShave increased each week since March 1. Evening news shows are bringing in their largest audiences in decades, the New York Times reported. An average of 32 million Americans watched the evening news last week, up 42% from the same period last year.
The pandemic has been especially good to reality TV, medical dramas, and shows about first responders. ABC's American Idol has grown its total audience three weeks in a row. The March 18 episode of Game of Games, hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, had its most viewers in more than a year, jumping 36% from the prior week. The March 11 finale of The Bachelor was the dating show's most-watched installment since 2016.
https://qz.com/1824422/coronavirus-has-stopped-the-decline-of-broadcast-tv-ratings/
Mormad said:
True, but the governors aren't making decisions unilaterally. They're taking advice from the best sources they have (CDC, NCDHHS, doctor panels, etc). There are reasons to restrict these drugs for the time being. That said, this is all fluid and rapidly changing.
Ground_Chuck said:
952 confirmed cases in N.C., 115k nationwide.
We added 35k cases in the last two days.
Mormad said:
They're not being restricted, at least in NC, for "those about to die" when there's nothing to lose. That's exactly who they're being saved for, my friend. This, for once, has nothing to do with liability. In fact, there is to my knowledge no restriction on ordering for inpatients.
RunsWithWolves26 said:Ground_Chuck said:
952 confirmed cases in N.C., 115k nationwide.
We added 35k cases in the last two days.
53,000 cases in NY alone
The FDA has said the drugs can be used to treat coronavirus and are approved for off-label use. Dr. Birx clearly said this days ago. The government should not be inserting itself between a doctor and patient, particularly at the state level. As long as the governors are not restricting the use, it is okay.Mormad said:
True, but the governors aren't making decisions unilaterally. They're taking advice from the best sources they have (CDC, NCDHHS, doctor panels, etc). There are reasons to restrict these drugs for the time being. That said, this is all fluid and rapidly changing.
