TheStorm said:
Civilized said:
TheStorm said:
Yes, Civ... your service provider is taking extreme poetic license with the truth... that letter is not truthful. Period.
Respectfully Storm, I think I'll take the word of three doctors and their nurses with boatloads of clinical experience and who have their licenses, reputations, and business on the line over the word of anti-establishment guys on a message board who have absolutely none of that skin in the game.
Just more revisionist history.
NCDHHS was still tracking covid hospitalizations and deaths at still inflated rates just this exact time last year even (Wayland was still posting links sporadically)... the vaccines were rolled out 1.5 years before that.
But your special doctor's office didn't have anyone vaccinated ever have to go to the hospital? That's too funny to even bother responding to. It's a lie.
They also said they didn't have any unvaxxed patients die from COVID.
Were they lying about that too, or no, because that fact fits your agenda?
I have zero reason to doubt either observation.
First, they don't treat a million people. Their sample size is relatively small and not random. A self-selecting group of people seeks out medical care like they provide and those people are in a fairly affluent and educated city with great medical resources. That in an of itself improves medical outcomes relative to the average American.
Second do you have any idea what the risk of COVID hospitalization is for vaccinated individuals? It's between 5 and 60 per 100,000 per month depending on age. It's 2x-4x that for unvaxxed.
The relative risk is higher if you're unvaxxed but both are fortunately still rare outcomes overall even if they were higher during the early part of the pandemic. I think I read as of December 2020, to that point in the pandemic, without vaccines, with little natural immunity, and with a more severe strain in circulation, around 3% of COVID cases ended in hospitalization. 15% of those cases were fatal.
The risk of dying is now between 1 and 7 per 100,000 per month if you're vaxxed and 2.5x higher if you're unvaxxed.
So if a doctor has a clinic with 1,000 patients, how many patients of theirs would you expect to be hospitalized from or die from COVID?
You do the math and tell me again why you think their clinical observations must be a lie.