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Packchem91
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PackFansXL said:

^^ There were plenty of "own it, be more responsible, should have protected yourselves, follow the rulz" tone deaf posts made recently. Change the choice to unprotected sex and see how much support you'll find for throwing women under the bus for their failure to protect themselves. We have millions of people celebrating the freedom of these women so they can willingly run down to the clinic for a quick extraction before they get back in the game. Right and wrong be damned, but hey, we got rulz.
Here's the difference....those women weren't getting ready to play as a team in the CWS, where there were distributed rules saying what would be expected. While I get the frustration (and the calls for hypocrisy of the NCAA), I'm amazed this is still an argument about what the potential risks were.

Its like my son, who got a speeding ticket down near Whiteville several years ago, driving form WILM to CLT. First thing out of his mouth was, 'but it was a speed trap...blah blah blah". When I finally drove that section, I saw exactly what he meant, craziness to have the limit changing like that on what was a wide-open, flat, safe 4-lane road.
But...it did change (Dropped) and it gave you notice it was going to. So, as I told him at the time, the rule said "60", not "70". Its up to you to drop, or take the risk.

BTW, as for your example....your "what would the other side say", goes both ways....I'd bet a lot of the people screaming "you can't make me get a shot" would be the ones lining up to say "heyul no, you can't go down to the clinic" Strange bedfellows, indeed.

PackFansXL
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My post was not intended as an "argument about potential risks." It was a comment regarding the flippant attitudes of some "State fans" towards their school and administration.
Mormad
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Expanding on Wayland's info, we have only 12 admitted with covid over 4 campuses in Alamance and Guilford counties. Not sure where 41 comes from, tho i can guess.
Packchem91
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PackFansXL said:

My post was not intended as an "argument about potential risks." It was a comment regarding the flippant attitudes of some "State fans" towards their school and administration.
flippant attitudes? We got kicked out of the NCAA CWS, a series of events started by our own actions (and bad luck). Should we have been celebrating that and our preparation for the Covid testing that was promised in Omaha?

I thought James comments yesterday were spot-on --- setting aside vaccinations, someone came up with the plans that allowed unvaccinated players to room together, to allow those players to interact with fans, with families, reportedly take road trips, etc.

If normal students, fans, us, with nothing to account for, 100% sounds like a great time. But if you justify not getting vaccinated (and I get it, with players not wanting to miss game after not having vaccines avail til mid-season), then take other preventative measures.

I don't know...maybe our frustration should have been voiced at completely made-up stories about Tim Corbin instead?

ETA: I'll stop here....this thread is intended to be devoted to Corona and its metrics, latest news, etc...and lord knows there is a long-running debate on the baseball threads about this particular story
Mormad
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Daviewolf83 said:

statefan91 said:

Can't read the whole article but I've been monitoring the Delta stuff because my kids are too young to be vaccinated. Hopefully it doesn't develop into a problem.


"Only five severe cases have been reported in Israel in the last 10 days."

This means the vaccines are working. Reports I read a couple of days ago indicated the unvaccinated are transmitting it to vaccinated people, but those who are vaccinated are relatively free of severe symptoms. Vaccines reduce your likelihood of developing a severe infection and reduce hospitalizations. They also reduce the ability to transmit the virus to others. They do not prevent you from testing positive (as we just saw with the four State baseball players).


Exactly. Hopefully this will remain the case. I'm living my life like this will remain the case.
Daviewolf83
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statefan91 said:

Sounds good - I wonder how they're finding infected people amongst the vaccinated. I know at this point if I develop symptoms that are covid like I just assume it's allergies / cold and haven't been interested in getting tested.
They are testing vaccinated people who are either contact traced to a Covid positive or using surveillance testing. One report I saw said most of the vaccinated people who are testing positive in Israel are asymptomatic, which is what you would expect.
Daviewolf83
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As I predicted, here come the mask mandates due to the Delta variant. What is the over/under on how long it will take Cooper and Mandy to jump on board. Note - regardless of vaccination status. They are practicing some real good "science" in Lala Land.

PackFansXL
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I guess as a fully vaccinated Pro-Lifer, I should stop discussing the nuances and accept the position that matches my world view. We all have choices to make and we are to be held accountable to those regardless of the circumstances.

I will say this is the first time I have experienced something like the pain that can result from being associated with someone who perhaps made the wrong choice. It truly hurts. I understand why there are so many who back the woman's choice for a second chance instead of being responsible for the first one even though I don't agree.

Mistakes were made and it cost us a chance at a once in a lifetime CWS win.
Mistakes are made on a daily basis and approximately 1 million US babies are destroyed per year.
Such is life.
Packchem91
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Davie, Wayland, Mormad, etal: Are there metrics out there about testing + when already vaccinated?
The NC State baseball team situation got me to worrying a bit on a personal level.

Going to Honduras in a month with 21 YO son. We're both vaccinated (Moderna) and I'm completely comfortable that we'll remain healthy. Had received news that AA had changed its policy, so would not have to be tested if we had proof of vaccine. However, turns out that is not agreed upon for our return flight from Honduras to US, so we do have to be tested there.

I assumed the risk was like 1 in a bazillion....but with 4 out of 14 players being asymptomatic and still testing +, it got me to thinking.....are there any real metrics?
I'd think testing vaccinated is pretty rare so had not paid any attention to if anything was being published on numbers?

While I have no fear of being sick, I sure don't want to have to burn a week or more of additional PTO time stuck in remote Honduras! If there is a history of higher than you'd think + results, I may need to reconsider my trip

ETA: Sorry about the emoticon....no idea how that one got there.
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Yeah....i'm done with the mask and the whole quarantining thing.

We started with the coronavirus and everyone had to get vaccinated before we could open things back up....then we went to the we're gonna open up somethings because people are getting vaccinated but its recommended that you still social distance and wear 2 mask. Then we got a variant when the numbers of infected people started to come down. Folks ignored that for the most part and now we have a deadlier variant and regardless of if you got the vaccine or not you have to re-mask and everything needs to be shut down again.

We have a virus that 85% of the population needs to be tested for it because they are asymptomatic. We no longer have flu, pneumonia, and other viruses because they apparently are all scared of covid and have disappeared.

I am not denying that people have died of covid...but at the same time this has absolutely been turned into fear porn and a political football for the most part. Look at what Cooper is doing today when its politically advantageous to push responsibility to someone else in terms of Covid. For the last year he has said that he doesn't need anyone else to enforce his rules. Forest even took him to court over it and lost. Now it looks like he can score political points by pushing things back to the counsel of the state and he is doing it.

The media and politicians have turned the entire thing into a joke
RunsWithWolves26
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So, with this new variant, what are the odds that the drum beat gets louder for more "stimulus" money? I sort of figured this would hold off until next year this time to buy votes but maybe now, there will be a round 5 next year. The people demand "free" money.
Wayland
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RunsWithWolves26 said:

So, with this new variant, what are the odds that the drum beat gets louder for more "stimulus" money? I sort of figured this would hold off until next year this time to buy votes but maybe now, there will be a round 5 next year. The people demand "free" money.
Are we talking new variant 'Delta' or the new new variant 'Lambda'?

I know nothing about Lambda other than I have seen it scroll by on some feeds.

But, I joke.
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Wayland said:

RunsWithWolves26 said:

So, with this new variant, what are the odds that the drum beat gets louder for more "stimulus" money? I sort of figured this would hold off until next year this time to buy votes but maybe now, there will be a round 5 next year. The people demand "free" money.
Are we talking new variant 'Delta' or the new new variant 'Lambda'?

I know nothing about Lambda other than I have seen it scroll by on some feeds.

But, I joke.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
statefan91
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RunsWithWolves26 said:

So, with this new variant, what are the odds that the drum beat gets louder for more "stimulus" money? I sort of figured this would hold off until next year this time to buy votes but maybe now, there will be a round 5 next year. The people demand "free" money.
I would assume that would be tied to if things shutdown again or we see a huge spike in unemployment. For the time being it shows 5.8% with labor shortages pretty much everywhere. I don't think there will be a huge stimulus package anytime in the future unless things take a very, very bad turn at some point.
Daviewolf83
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I personally like Delta. Seems like it would be a fun virus, but it is likely to get us put on double-secret probation.

BBW12OG
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Glad to see many of the "comrades" out.... I trust you all are wearing your masks when you are on here..... gotta keep up the company line right comrades?

Like I said a few times before.... this is nothing but a political set up for mail-in voting, ballot harvesting and extended voting days in order to assure the SOCIALIST/MARXIST PARTY keeps power.

Funny how the ones that were slobbering all over their God Fauci have now all of a sudden come out of hiding. I wonder if they are going to openly admit what most of us with 1/2 a brain knew last year. That this WAS ALWAYS about politics and it continues to be today.

Here you go... more proof.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/new-covid-variant-scientists-detect-lambda-variant-here-s-all-you-need-to-know-11624885114609.html

With the mortality rate for people under 20....and I'm going from memory so it may possibly be off a little... somewhere around 0.0001% why in the hell would any of you lefties be worried? If you are that worried you know what else you should be worried about? Riding in cars, swimming, swimming in the ocean, lightening strikes, meteor collisions....alien invasions that take over the world... and most of all a zombie apocalypse.

The fear that your MSM overlords has instilled in you is very indicative of your supposed intelligence. It is unreal that supposed educated individuals can be so easily manipulated by the media. But... I guess if you make statements like "high repeating rifles" you damn sure will believe anything you hear on your state run media networks. And then repeat it....
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Wayland
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Found this info when looking at the dataset showing the lack of pediatric COVID patients in NC. It is basically zero, any patients that are out there are so few that the data is hidden.

But this data is from the week of 6/18/21. Here is where according to healthdata.gov patients are hospitalized.

BBW12OG
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Yeah... but with the Delta Variant already wreaking havoc across the world.. but getting brought under control... we need to start preparing for the Lambda variant that will decimate 0.000001% of the world's population in less than two weeks before the newer, more deadlier version of it is announced from Fraternity Row....

By this time next year for Greek Week we should all go as syringes....
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GuerrillaPack
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Interesting graphic on vaccination rates per state showing the disparity between red and blue states...which also exposes 5 of the states that were blatantly stolen in the rigged 2020 election (ie, those 5 blue balls in the group on the left):

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GuerrillaPack said:

Interesting graphic on vaccination rates per state showing the disparity between red and blue states...which also exposes 5 of the states that were blatantly stolen in the rigged 2020 election (ie, those 5 blue balls in the group on the left):


You really think all the percentages here represent votes for Biden? In case you didn't know, people who voted for Trump have gotten a vaccine.

I'm a conservative and I don't think the election was stolen. If you think the democrats wanted to steal an election, don't you think they would've stolen 2016 as much hate as Trump got (some warranted).

Was talking to a friend the other day...the high voter turnout did not surprise me. 2020 has to be one of the most pro "go vote" years I've ever seen (TV, social media). It was in your face every 5 seconds to go vote. Every time I saw an ad to go vote, I couldn't help but think "they're telling you to go vote Biden."

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^^ and I don't believe that graphic for even half a second...
RunsWithWolves26
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Noticed on the CDC website, the running 7 day average has gone up 11 straight days if I'm not mistaken.
BBW12OG
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RunsWithWolves26 said:

Noticed on the CDC website, the running 7 day average has gone up 11 straight days if I'm not mistaken.
Yes... the CDC and WHO... both are the organizations that we all should hitch our wagon too.....

Nothing screams "truth and honesty" like those two organizations.

Gotta keep the sheep in the pen.
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caryking
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PackFansXL said:

^^ There were plenty of "own it, be more responsible, should have protected yourselves, follow the rulz" tone deaf posts made recently. Change the choice to unprotected sex and see how much support you'll find for throwing women under the bus for their failure to protect themselves. We have millions of people celebrating the freedom of these women so they can willingly run down to the clinic for a quick extraction before they get back in the game. Right and wrong be damned, but hey, we got rulz.
Probably one the greatest comparisons I've seen...
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
caryking
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RunsWithWolves26 said:

So, with this new variant, what are the odds that the drum beat gets louder for more "stimulus" money? I sort of figured this would hold off until next year this time to buy votes but maybe now, there will be a round 5 next year. The people demand "free" money.
Watch the debt ceiling issue forthcoming... it's not being talked about in the MSM; however, Yellin mentioned it the other day.

The debt ceiling is the "only" bargaining chip, real Republicans have to slow down the Marxist agenda!!!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
caryking
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wolfman18 said:

GuerrillaPack said:

Interesting graphic on vaccination rates per state showing the disparity between red and blue states...which also exposes 5 of the states that were blatantly stolen in the rigged 2020 election (ie, those 5 blue balls in the group on the left):


You really think all the percentages here represent votes for Biden? In case you didn't know, people who voted for Trump have gotten a vaccine.

I'm a conservative and I don't think the election was stolen. If you think the democrats wanted to steal an election, don't you think they would've stolen 2016 as much hate as Trump got (some warranted).

Was talking to a friend the other day...the high voter turnout did not surprise me. 2020 has to be one of the most pro "go vote" years I've ever seen (TV, social media). It was in your face every 5 seconds to go vote. Every time I saw an ad to go vote, I couldn't help but think "they're telling you to go vote Biden."


Truth will be forthcoming....
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
statefan91
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RunsWithWolves26 said:

Noticed on the CDC website, the running 7 day average has gone up 11 straight days if I'm not mistaken.
Definitely not a great trend, but I also noticed that the CDC site has had 7 straight days of adding "historic cases", adding an average of 400 cases per day. That's an artificial bump of about 3-4% per day if I'm calculating correctly.

If you look at the NYT site you can sort by highest % increase: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Unfortunately only 4 of the States showing an increase are > 50% vaccination. The numbers are also a bit subject to bigger swings of percentage due to the lower denominator it's starting with.
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I throw this out as a hypothetical for those much smarter than I---would it be possible to change the sensitivity threshold for PCR tests and in doing so, have a major impact on negative/positive test results. Not saying it would happen but just in theory, couldn't you manipulate the thresholds to achieve just about any outcome you're looking for? I remember a study coming out months ago that the tests were so sensitive that they deemed people positive who probably shouldn't have been which in turn artificially inflated the infection numbers.
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Steve Williams said:

I throw this out as a hypothetical for those much smarter than I---would it be possible to change the sensitivity threshold for PCR tests and in doing so, have a major impact on negative/positive test results. Not saying it would happen but just in theory, couldn't you manipulate the thresholds to achieve just about any outcome you're looking for? I remember a study coming out months ago that the tests were so sensitive that they deemed people positive who probably shouldn't have been which in turn artificially inflated the infection numbers.
Did you mean to post this in one of the threads on Pack the Doak about the NCAA screwing us this past weekend?
Daviewolf83
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Steve Williams said:

I throw this out as a hypothetical for those much smarter than I---would it be possible to change the sensitivity threshold for PCR tests and in doing so, have a major impact on negative/positive test results. Not saying it would happen but just in theory, couldn't you manipulate the thresholds to achieve just about any outcome you're looking for? I remember a study coming out months ago that the tests were so sensitive that they deemed people positive who probably shouldn't have been which in turn artificially inflated the infection numbers.
In short answer - yes, it is possible to change the CT value for the test and as a result, it can effect who is and is not reported as a positive case. For example, I would love for the NCAA to tell us what the CT value was for the vaccinated players who were tested last week.
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So, again playing devil's advocate, couldn't you in effect turn it off and on to get whatever overall numbers you'd like to achieve? What a damn shame that our government has become so untrustworthy that anyone (mainly me) would even ponder this notion.
caryking
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bsorry11 said:

Steve Williams said:

I throw this out as a hypothetical for those much smarter than I---would it be possible to change the sensitivity threshold for PCR tests and in doing so, have a major impact on negative/positive test results. Not saying it would happen but just in theory, couldn't you manipulate the thresholds to achieve just about any outcome you're looking for? I remember a study coming out months ago that the tests were so sensitive that they deemed people positive who probably shouldn't have been which in turn artificially inflated the infection numbers.
Did you mean to post this in one of the threads on Pack the Doak about the NCAA screwing us this past weekend?
that gets the "Funny Post of the Day" award!!!
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

Joe Biden
Daviewolf83
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Steve Williams said:

So, again playing devil's advocate, couldn't you in effect turn it off and on to get whatever overall numbers you'd like to achieve? What a damn shame that our government has become so untrustworthy that anyone (mainly me) would even ponder this notion.
According to Mandy, when this question came up months ago (regarding the high CT value used by the NCDHHS lab), she deferred the question to the equipment suppliers. She basically said they were following their guidance on the appropriate CT value for the text equipment. If I remember correctly, the NCDHHS lab uses PCR test equipment supplied by Thermo Fisher Scientific.

In the NY Times article published months ago on this topic, they singled out the NCDHHS lab and the higher value used by the lab. In the article, they included input from several people familiar with PCR testing and the appropriate CT values for coronavirus testing. These experts indicated in the article that CT values above 30 were likely returning positive test results for people who are likely not infectious.
Wayland
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NC reported a net of -3 COVID deaths today. Maybe Walking Dead is coming to NC





They still seem to be removing a good bit of old cases from the logs leading to slightly low reported cases. Cases by specimen are still mostly flat (with a small tick up this week). So, our 'summer surge'

BBW12OG
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Would love to actually have the "real" number of Covid deaths without the traffic accidents, heart attacks, suicides etc.... not counted if the victims tested positive post mortem......

I'm sure there are going to be some of the mask wearing God Fauci worshiping folks on here that will ridicule that but get over it.... It was never anything but political and the high risk individuals that survived are still high risk for flu and whatever other virus China decides to cook up and release on the world.
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