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cowboypack02 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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So the drug that Trump said was helpful was actually helpful and politicians in states refused to let people have it because Trump said they should? Now doctors are saying that the virus came from a lab but didn't want to say that before because Trump said it?

I get that Trump can run his mouth and go over the top a bit but damn dude.....stuff like that is a whole other level than anything Trump ever said or did...and Trump will still be viewed as the bad guy.

Trump railed against politicians and doctors and was demonized about it for not trusting the science while at the same time the people in charge of the science were more than happy to lie in order to make Trump look bad....wow man

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I hear you cowboy and don't completely disagree. Like I've said a million times on here, the MSM is biased and has an agenda. I don't argue this point.

I do push back though when in hindsight people act like actors act the way they did with Trump because he's allegedly conservative or Republican (even though he's barely either) and not because he's a blowhard that says a ton of **** that's just patently false to craft a reality that's beneficial or comfortable to himself.

Here's are my related questions.

Did Trump know that his Kung Flu came from the lab in Wuhan or that hydroxychloriquine + azithromycin increased survival in specifically in ventilated COVID patients when he said those things?

How could he have, when we still don't even know those things definitively now?

Were there other political benefits for Trump to say these things?

If the media or medical establishment knew that Trump didn't know these things that he was saying were true and that he was just hoping that they were for his own political benefit and not because there was good evidence they were, should they reasonably push back on that?

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was (not) from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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Can you show me exactly in that wonderful post of mine that you quoted where I said it was political? Thanks in advance.

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was (not) from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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Can you show me exactly in that wonderful post of mine that you quoted where I said it was political? Thanks in advance.

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My bad... typo... YOU said from the beginning to keep "politics out of it.."

I didn't reread my post. I will do better next time so as not to misquote or misrepresent my dedicated followers.

I should have proofed my post so as to not have misquoted you.

But... you should thank me. My mistake actually made you look a lot better. It was and always has been political. Read my post and you will see that I was clearly pointing out the fact that you started a thread claiming it had nothing to do with politics when in FACT it was 100% about politics and now the entire world knows it. And the information that is being slowly leaked out is only the tip of the iceberg.

You are welcome.

*I edited but left the original script in play to let everyone know when I make a mistake I own it. I don't delete it and then act like it never happened. Again, my apologies. I should have proof read my post.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was (not) from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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Can you show me exactly in that wonderful post of mine that you quoted where I said it was political? Thanks in advance.

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My bad... typo... YOU said from the beginning to keep "politics out of it.."

I didn't reread my post. I will do better next time so as not to misquote or misrepresent my dedicated followers.

I should have proofed my post so as to not have misquoted you.

But... you should thank me. My mistake actually made you look a lot better. It was and always has been political. Read my post and you will see that I was clearly pointing out the fact that you started a thread claiming it had nothing to do with politics when in FACT it was 100% about politics and now the entire world knows it. And the information that is being slowly leaked out is only the tip of the iceberg.

You are welcome.

*I edited but left the original script in play to let everyone know when I make a mistake I own it. I don't delete it and then act like it never happened. Again, my apologies. I should have proof read my post.

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Again, can you show me in that wonderful quote of mine that you got a so excited about posting where I said it had nothing to do with politics? Thanks in advance.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was (not) from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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Can you show me exactly in that wonderful post of mine that you quoted where I said it was political? Thanks in advance.

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My bad... typo... YOU said from the beginning to keep "politics out of it.."

I didn't reread my post. I will do better next time so as not to misquote or misrepresent my dedicated followers.

I should have proofed my post so as to not have misquoted you.

But... you should thank me. My mistake actually made you look a lot better. It was and always has been political. Read my post and you will see that I was clearly pointing out the fact that you started a thread claiming it had nothing to do with politics when in FACT it was 100% about politics and now the entire world knows it. And the information that is being slowly leaked out is only the tip of the iceberg.

You are welcome.

*I edited but left the original script in play to let everyone know when I make a mistake I own it. I don't delete it and then act like it never happened. Again, my apologies. I should have proof read my post.

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Again, can you show me in that wonderful quote of mine that you got a so excited about posting where I said it had nothing to do with politics? Thanks in advance.

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Damn... are you missing me or something. I have no desire to interact with you. You already deleted two posts today that had zero issues other than you didn't like who posted them. You have a vendetta against me and it is well known.

The first post of the thread back in February 2020. You are playing semantics like you always do. You know damn well what you meant when you posted it. I'll leave it at that and this is my last response to you on the subject matter.

No way am I going to let you bait me into saying something that will break board rules. Here is the post that I am referring to.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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"try to keep this from being political..." It was always political whether you want/wanted to accept it or not is up to you. You didn't want politics involved in the thread when you started it. Anyone with a minimal understanding of the English language interprets that into meaning that "politics have nothing to do with this thread..."

My faux pas made you look like Nostradamus. Again, you are welcome.

Have a good evening.

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packgrad said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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BBW12OG said:

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Mormad said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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Packchem91 said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

Quote:

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was (not) from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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Can you show me exactly in that wonderful post of mine that you quoted where I said it was political? Thanks in advance.

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My bad... typo... YOU said from the beginning to keep "politics out of it.."

I didn't reread my post. I will do better next time so as not to misquote or misrepresent my dedicated followers.

I should have proofed my post so as to not have misquoted you.

But... you should thank me. My mistake actually made you look a lot better. It was and always has been political. Read my post and you will see that I was clearly pointing out the fact that you started a thread claiming it had nothing to do with politics when in FACT it was 100% about politics and now the entire world knows it. And the information that is being slowly leaked out is only the tip of the iceberg.

You are welcome.

*I edited but left the original script in play to let everyone know when I make a mistake I own it. I don't delete it and then act like it never happened. Again, my apologies. I should have proof read my post.

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Again, can you show me in that wonderful quote of mine that you got a so excited about posting where I said it had nothing to do with politics? Thanks in advance.

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Damn... are you missing me or something. I have no desire to interact with you. You already deleted two posts today that had zero issues other than you didn't like who posted them. You have a vendetta against me and it is well known.

The first post of the thread back in February 2020. You are playing semantics like you always do. You know damn well what you meant when you posted it. I'll leave it at that and this is my last response to you on the subject matter.

No way am I going to let you bait me into saying something that will break board rules. Here is the post that I am referring to.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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"try to keep this from being political..." It was always political whether you want/wanted to accept it or not is up to you. You didn't want politics involved in the thread when you started it. Anyone with a minimal understanding of the English language interprets that into meaning that "politics have nothing to do with this thread..."

My faux pas made you look like Nostradamus. Again, you are welcome.

Have a good evening.

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You said I posted something I didn't. You got called out twice and then you resort to symantics, whine and cry because you got called out. I know exactly what I meant when I posted it and I posted exactly what I meant. I'm sure it's just because I'm one of those idiots you talk about because I wear a mask but don't come here telling me what I meant. You made your worthless accusation twice. You got called out twice and then you resort to your continuing childish bull***** You couldn't answer the question obviously. Next time, try harder or at least have a coherent and truthful response back to yet another one of your pathetic accusations.

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The "mod" that cusses at posters, then deletes his posts, trying to call out other posters for how they post. Classic. Social media!!!!

Not sure where I was "crying" in my response.... but... again... I'm taking he high road on this one.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Vaccination rates by race/ethnicity are interesting. Nationwide, 45% of whites, 36% of Hispanics, and 32% of blacks have been vaccinated.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

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Mormad said:

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Does that mean you guys are done??

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Civilized said:

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It's fascinating to go back to the beginning of the thread and read through, following people's thoughts and actions as COVID exploded in the US and as our understanding of and response to the situation struggled to keep up.

Don't want to go back to those days anytime soon but hope lessons learned make next time more manageable.

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Mormad said:

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Does that mean you guys are done??

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Below is a graph that shows the latest vaccinations by age group for NC. Please note that over 50% of the "adult" population is now fully vaccinated and partial vaccination is approaching 60% and should exceed 60% in by mid to late July at current vaccination rates (~140k doses per week).





As far as vaccination by race is concerned, here are the following results for NC.




What this graph shows it the following:

• African-Americans make up 23% of the population in NC and of those receiving their first dose, 18% have been African American.
• For White people, they make up 72% of the total population in NC and of those receiving their first dose, 69% have been White.
• For the Asian population, they are getting vaccinated at a rate that matches their percentage of the population.

For African-Americans, there a couple of factors that lead to their lower participation rates:

• Historical and justified distrust in vaccinations
• Difficulty in reaching vaccination locations
• Inability to take time-off from work to get vaccinated and deal with the associated side-effects

The second and third points listed above likely also effects the level of White participation, but it may not be to the same proportion. The first point is definitely an impact and is a reason why there needs to be concerted efforts to address this point.

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Why do we keep up with those specific numbers? Are we being tracked?

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We sure are. Every single second of every single day via our cellphones.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Why do we keep up with those specific numbers? Are we being tracked?

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We sure are. Every single second of every single day via our cellphones.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Why do we keep up with those specific numbers? Are we being tracked?

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We sure are. Every single second of every single day via our cellphones.

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Yea, yea, yea... i know that. I'm being specific about the vaccines.

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Why do we keep up with those specific numbers? Are we being tracked?

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We sure are. Every single second of every single day via our cellphones.

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Yea, yea, yea... i know that. I'm being specific about the vaccines.

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Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, we are all being tracked.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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RunsWithWolves26 said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Why do we keep up with those specific numbers? Are we being tracked?

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We sure are. Every single second of every single day via our cellphones.

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Yea, yea, yea... i know that. I'm being specific about the vaccines.

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Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, we are all being tracked.

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How do we get the statistics, previously posted, if they are now gathering data?

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