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I'm seeing very different numbers on the vaccination rates. I thought I saw figures a week or so ago saying around 60% of US adults had taken at least one injection. However, in this piece today from CBS trying to scare people into getting injected because of the delta force, they are citing the CDC, saying that only 52.7% of US adults are partially vaccinated, and only "44.1% of the population" fully vaccinated (see at 3:10 in video).

I think they are monkeying with the numbers.

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Was watching ABC nat' news tonight, and after getting to hear the "fair and balanced" Martha Raddatz tell us how Biden accomplished exactly what he wanted to today, got to hear several minutes about how bad this Delta strain is, and how easy it is to spread. But when they told the numbers of where it was in the US, it didn't really sound that bad (outside India, where of course it was terrible).
I see CNN has pretty much a daily article of "experts FEAR......" about the spread.

Question for you --- over the past year, the thread was these were to "hurt Trump"....but who is to hurt now?
Or is it simply, w/o Trump, they have to generate ratings somehow?

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Defeating Trump was certainly on the agenda of the Leftist-run media and Establishment, but that was just a "bonus". They are still escalating this in countries that already have Leftist governments.

They are engineering this Scamdemic in order to radically alter society - including destroying the economy and bringing in a communist agenda (eg, paying people to stay at home and collect a check), destroying small businesses and consolidating power in the elite-owned super big corporations, destroying world fiat currencies (with massive debt and inflation) in preparation for a new currency and cashless society in the future, establishing the precedent for tracking and tracing the population and lockdowns and all sorts of other tyrannical measures, mandatory vaccines as a precursor of a "mark of the Beast" system in the future to be able to participate in society, and much more.

Look into this agenda for a worldwide "Great Reset" of society that the elite are now promoting in the aftermath of covid. It's basically them admitting their agenda for a worldwide communist takeover.

https://time.com/collection/great-reset/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/504499-introducing-the-great-reset-world-leaders-radical-plan-to%3famp

In talking about this "Great Reset", they admit that they WANT the economy and capitalism to "crash", so that they can "build a better economy" (ie, socialism). They are also obsessed with the climate change agenda and all other sorts of leftist and "social justice" agendas that have nothing to do with covid - but these people just want to use ANY "crisis" as the excuse to radically change society to align with their Marxist agenda.

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I'm seeing very different numbers on the vaccination rates. I thought I saw figures a week or so ago saying around 60% of US adults had taken at least one injection. However, in this piece today from CBS trying to scare people into getting injected because of the delta force, they are citing the CDC, saying that only 52.7% of US adults are partially vaccinated, and only "44.1% of the population" fully vaccinated (see at 3:10 in video).

I think they are monkeying with the numbers.

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Was watching ABC nat' news tonight, and after getting to hear the "fair and balanced" Martha Raddatz tell us how Biden accomplished exactly what he wanted to today, got to hear several minutes about how bad this Delta strain is, and how easy it is to spread. But when they told the numbers of where it was in the US, it didn't really sound that bad (outside India, where of course it was terrible).
I see CNN has pretty much a daily article of "experts FEAR......" about the spread.

Question for you --- over the past year, the thread was these were to "hurt Trump"....but who is to hurt now?

Or is it simply, w/o Trump, they have to generate ratings somehow?

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Have you seen the "Delta" strain blamed on Biden anywhere? Just asking .

Maybe, with a "friendly" press propping him up, the coverage of the "Delta" strain is somewhat to take the eyeballs off of Biden... although with the fawning coverage of Biden yesterday (ie. as if he beat Putin in a pushup contest), I am now convinced that they are taking their approach to covering this administration straight out of the George Costanza handbook ("It's not a lie if you believe it" - or in this case just repeat it over and over until the sheep repeat it as well)...

And I'm not arguing with you, because I know that you know this as well and have seen you post as much about our MSM. I'm just trying to offer you a potential answer to your question.

LOL.... the Trump hatred is strong with the "lefty."

Of course he will never admit it. Only thing he can do is spout SOCIALIST talking points from his MSM overlords.

There will be several variants to this "virus." The deadliest will hit next summer and will require mail-in voting across the country. Write it down. It will happen.

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I'm seeing very different numbers on the vaccination rates. I thought I saw figures a week or so ago saying around 60% of US adults had taken at least one injection. However, in this piece today from CBS trying to scare people into getting injected because of the delta force, they are citing the CDC, saying that only 52.7% of US adults are partially vaccinated, and only "44.1% of the population" fully vaccinated (see at 3:10 in video).

I think they are monkeying with the numbers.

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Was watching ABC nat' news tonight, and after getting to hear the "fair and balanced" Martha Raddatz tell us how Biden accomplished exactly what he wanted to today, got to hear several minutes about how bad this Delta strain is, and how easy it is to spread. But when they told the numbers of where it was in the US, it didn't really sound that bad (outside India, where of course it was terrible).
I see CNN has pretty much a daily article of "experts FEAR......" about the spread.

Question for you --- over the past year, the thread was these were to "hurt Trump"....but who is to hurt now?

Or is it simply, w/o Trump, they have to generate ratings somehow?

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Have you seen the "Delta" strain blamed on Biden anywhere? Just asking .

Maybe, with a "friendly" press propping him up, the coverage of the "Delta" strain is somewhat to take the eyeballs off of Biden... although with the fawning coverage of Biden yesterday (ie. as if he beat Putin in a pushup contest), I am now convinced that they are taking their approach to covering this administration straight out of the George Costanza handbook ("It's not a lie if you believe it" - or in this case just repeat it over and over until the sheep repeat it as well)...

And I'm not arguing with you, because I know that you know this as well and have seen you post as much about our MSM. I'm just trying to offer you a potential answer to your question.

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I think that is much more plausible than the media corps trying to move us to socialism.

I also think that fear is a story that sells. Fear Trump, Fear Covid. And I 100% agree the storylines from the media last year were in great part to hurt Trump

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LOL.... the Trump hatred is strong with the "lefty."

Of course he will never admit it. Only thing he can do is spout SOCIALIST talking points from his MSM overlords.

There will be several variants to this "virus." The deadliest will hit next summer and will require mail-in voting across the country. Write it down. It will happen.

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To be fair, I personally have the impression (from over time) that Chem91 is a lot more conservative than any of the other "independents" on here (and I don't think it's even close).

He does like to argue with anybody about anything though... and with you (now) in particular.

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LOL.... the Trump hatred is strong with the "lefty."

Of course he will never admit it. Only thing he can do is spout SOCIALIST talking points from his MSM overlords.

There will be several variants to this "virus." The deadliest will hit next summer and will require mail-in voting across the country. Write it down. It will happen.

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To be fair, I personally have the impression (from over time) that Chem91 is a lot more conservative than any of the other "independents" on here (and I don't think it's even close).

He does like to argue with anybody about anything though... and with you (now) in particular.

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Yeah... He does. He should pay more attention to the facts and his posts when he makes his laughable claims. I have seen some of the other "disputes" he has been involved in. He changes positions like runway models change clothes.

I think he has some sort of message board fetish for being a punching bag.

Davie or Wayland, y'all got any numbers updates to get this thread back on track?

For those in the Charlotte area, Price's Chicken Coop -- an absolute staple -- has announced it is closing shop this week after 59 years in the SouthEnd area.
They Blame labor shortage, rising food costs and coin shortages (they are a cash-only business still)

I don't know if it is really covid-related, or the fact they happen to reside in an area where the owner can become a rich man by selling his property to a developer, but this past year has certainly proven the fragility of restaurant business.

Sad day for Charlotte

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For those in the Charlotte area, Price's Chicken Coop -- an absolute staple -- has announced it is closing shop this week after 59 years in the SouthEnd area.
They Blame labor shortage, rising food costs and coin shortages (they are a cash-only business still)

I don't know if it is really covid-related, or the fact they happen to reside in an area where the owner can become a rich man by selling his property to a developer, but this past year has certainly proven the fragility of restaurant business.

Sad day for Charlotte

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All of that is directly related to the Scamdemic - Inflation and food shortages, labor shortages, coin shortages.

And this is all by design. They are intentionally driving small businesses out of business, and making the elite-owned big corporations even more powerful, as they grab that market share.

Breaking News: US to spend $3 billion to develop a pill to treat COVID-19 https://t.co/VO2r4Fmn8w

— WRAL NEWS in NC (@WRAL) June 17, 2021

I swear Im not trying to start anything when I ask this, but is there a medical need for a pill?

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Davie or Wayland, y'all got any numbers updates to get this thread back on track?

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I am actually working on some analysis of case rates and hospitalization rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Still tweaking the information, but I might have it ready for posting tomorrow. I am still doing lots of number tracking, but have not posted as much lately, since I am buried by a major project I am running as part of my full-time job that launches in the next couple of months.

A pill would be preferable to having to schedule an appointment for a shot IMO, if one wants to get one every year. Having said that though, I guess they do it with the flu shot already, which I pretty much never get, now.

Thank you for the response. My initial reaction to see that was "why is this needed?", but your response makes perfect sense.

Thanks for the insight, it is appreciated

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Davie or Wayland, y'all got any numbers updates to get this thread back on track?

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I am actually working on some analysis of case rates and hospitalization rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Still tweaking the information, but I might have it ready for posting tomorrow. I am still doing lots of number tracking, but have not posted as much lately, since I am buried by a major project I am running as part of my full-time job that launches in the next couple of months.

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Looking at the CDC numbers for ED hospitalizations and comparing them to the daily new COVID admits from NC DHHS, the VAST majority of admits coming in to NC hospitals at this point are not coming from the ED and are likely getting caught in incidental testing.

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For those in the Charlotte area, Price's Chicken Coop -- an absolute staple -- has announced it is closing shop this week after 59 years in the SouthEnd area.
They Blame labor shortage, rising food costs and coin shortages (they are a cash-only business still)

I don't know if it is really covid-related, or the fact they happen to reside in an area where the owner can become a rich man by selling his property to a developer, but this past year has certainly proven the fragility of restaurant business.

Sad day for Charlotte

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Off topic but this is absolutely because they are tired of running a chicken shop and want to cash out while Southend continues to boom and real estate prices are crazy.

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For those in the Charlotte area, Price's Chicken Coop -- an absolute staple -- has announced it is closing shop this week after 59 years in the SouthEnd area.
They Blame labor shortage, rising food costs and coin shortages (they are a cash-only business still)

I don't know if it is really covid-related, or the fact they happen to reside in an area where the owner can become a rich man by selling his property to a developer, but this past year has certainly proven the fragility of restaurant business.

Sad day for Charlotte

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Off topic but this is absolutely because they are tired of running a chicken shop and want to cash out while Southend continues to boom and real estate prices are crazy.

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I lived in Charlotte for close to 9 years. Place is iconic. So many "iconic" restaurants have disappeared in the last 10 years or so in that area.

That chunk of dirt is worth high 7 figures if not more. Finding help is a good way of saying "my ass just got paid."

Ask the owner of the legendary Penguin why he closed the doors 5 years ago or so. When you get generational wealth, or what should be, you take the damn offer.

I feel like we are kind of levelling a little in cases. To the point that data adjustments made by DHHS are beginning to affect reporting numbers a little.



Over all hospitalizations down to 485, but hospitals are reporting 50-65 new COVID admits a day still. This is kind of counter to the CDC numbers which say only 0.3% of ED admits have diagnosed COVID. So we have to be detecting some incidental COVID, as the numbers get low test reliability and false positives become more of an issue. But at least we are still seeing a slow decline, whatever the number means.



For cases, the next four weeks are important as they coincide with the Southern (potentially) seasonal surge in 2020. Worth keeping an eye on, I'd think if we make it past early/mid July without much noise, we should be mostly good until Winter season.

FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!!

The delta farce is invading!!

The communists at CBS are PISSED that we "dumb hicks" here in the South dare to distrust them and the Gubbamint and aren't taking their injections.

So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

No it's 100% real. And you see just how far the left went in order to submarine President Trump and the GOP in the 2020 elections. The entire damn lot of them needs to remember this.

Karma is a ***** and she is undefeated.

Scientist Backing Probe Into Wuhan Lab: We Waited Because We Didn’t Want ‘To Be Associated With Trump’ https://t.co/NECG4iqDvh pic.twitter.com/oCvY2tmTJb

— The Daily Wire (@realDailyWire) June 17, 2021

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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Agree 100%..... and with the power that the social medial overlords have they controlled the narrative.

I've even had a couple of posts on this very thread deleted this morning.

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What's your thoughts on this? Are you taking steps to pretext against it or just going about your daily routine? Has it changed the way you do things at all? Let's try to keep this from being political. Thanks

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I posted this quote by the poster who started this thread who seems to like to delete posts he doesn't agree with and said that it was from the beginning political. It has always been about politics and removing Donald J. Trump from office at all costs.

The costs were 100's of thousands of lives if not more. I hope that this one will remain up. If not... at least a few of you can see the hypocrisy in thinking this wasn't ever about politics.

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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So do I, and I have never understood this sentiment. I dont give one iota of a **** what a random stranger I dont know thinks about me. If you dont know or interact with them, why do you care what their opinion is? It is literally meaningless.

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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It's a symptom of politics becoming in increasingly high stakes sport where everything is us vs. them. It's the same as people who didn't want to take masks off after vaccination purely because they didn't want to "look like a Trump supporter." Yes I know people who said that

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... Or bring told you're somehow complicit in racism if you voted Trump.

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I think it is both of these things. Everything now is us vs them (just look at how differing opinions are viewed here).
And yes, the theme became "you don't want to be associated with Trump" in "proper circles" because it did get assumed you are a redneck local yokel with leanigns towards the bad parts of nationalism (Which, of course, was true of some, but a very small, group of his followers -- who somehow, became the entire focal point)

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So I'm reading through the news and ai come across an article on NBC from a group of doctors that said that they suspected that the virus originated from a bad but didn't want to say it because they didn't want to be associated with Trump. That can't be real ..right?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna1191?__twitter_impression=true

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I think its real. I think the fear of being associated with Trump by your peers....of being a "MAGA", was very very real. Easier to live in the echo chamber than challenge that popular opinion at times.

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So the drug that Trump said was helpful was actually helpful and politicians in states refused to let people have it because Trump said they should? Now doctors are saying that the virus came from a lab but didn't want to say that before because Trump said it?

I get that Trump can run his mouth and go over the top a bit but damn dude.....stuff like that is a whole other level than anything Trump ever said or did...and Trump will still be viewed as the bad guy.

Trump railed against politicians and doctors and was demonized about it for not trusting the science while at the same time the people in charge of the science were more than happy to lie in order to make Trump look bad....wow man

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I hear you cowboy and don't completely disagree. Like I've said a million times on here, the MSM is biased and has an agenda. I don't argue this point.

I do push back though when in hindsight people act like actors act the way they did with Trump because he's allegedly conservative or Republican (even though he's barely either) and not because he's a blowhard that says a ton of **** that's just patently false to craft a reality that's beneficial or comfortable to himself.

Here's are my related questions.

Did Trump know that his Kung Flu came from the lab in Wuhan or that hydroxychloriquine + azithromycin increased survival in specifically in ventilated COVID patients when he said those things?

How could he have, when we still don't even know those things definitively now?

Were there other political benefits for Trump to say these things?

If the media or medical establishment knew that Trump didn't know these things that he was saying were true and that he was just hoping that they were for his own political benefit and not because there was good evidence they were, should they reasonably push back on that?