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May 4, 2023
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NC State’s season took an abrupt u-turn when they got swept at home by Clemson a couple of weeks ago, and with it, their tournament outlook changed dramatically.

How did we end up here?

10 days ago the talk was about hosting, but now State might be a bubble team – if you want to be optimistic. You can’t get swept at home by anybody, particularly Clemson, even though they look better now. This happened last year against Wake Forest and it cost State. It cost them again this year even if they still find a way to dance.

The upside projecting State a month ago was looking at the schedule and thinking eventually their poor luck would turn. Well, they went 3-3 at home against FSU and Clemson, so the comfortable schedule is gone.

Their luck turned with a couple of tight wins against FSU (State is now 4-3 in one run ACC games, even though their +1 run differential indicates a team that should be .500 in ACC play, not four games under), but they simply have not played as well as they did earlier in the year -- even though they weren’t winning those games. I haven’t been inspired by the last four games of non-conference play, either, despite the win over ECU.

Looking back, a couple of losses sting, but none as much as the last BC game. If that’s a win, State is probably fine, but it wasn’t. An inexplicable loss at the time has gotten worse as the season has gone on.

The Resume

State’s resume is being carried by their RPI of 24. I haven’t figured out how it’s at 24, but the non conference schedule has somehow held up. There’s no dead weight in the ACC, so that’s certainly helped the case, too.

The positives are that State has no ugly losses on the resume.  They’re 22-1 in games against teams outside the top 50. The series win over Louisville has lost steam, but it’s still nice. Wins over Coastal and ECU should matter, but the committee did not care about it last year, so who knows.

7-13 in top 50 games, lack of quality series wins, and ACC record are the biggest barriers for State. The Pack really needs the Louisville series to mean more than it does. If State wasn’t 8-12 it’s not as big of an issue, but at the same time, they wouldn’t be 8-12 with another series win. This is where the BC loss hurts the most.

What Needs To Happen?

There’s nine ACC games left plus the ACC Tournament, although the committee has repeatedly shown they don’t care about the latter. Additionally, the Pack is currently only 0.5 games clear of missing the conference tournament, which is another problem to worry about.

6-3 would get the Pack to 14-15 in the league, likely with a top-20 RPI.  That gets you in. The Pack is currently 2-5 in league series this year which is something that was an issue last year, hence why series wins are important against fellow bubble teams Notre Dame and UNC. Note that I don’t think 6-3 is a lock if it involves a series loss to one of those teams.

I don’t see the Pack getting in with a 5-4 finish. That would put them at 13-16, which would not be an unprecedented inclusion to the tournament, but it’s a major uphill battle. With the lack of quality series wins, I don’t think it’s enough. And are you really going to count on the NCAA committee to do any sort of favor for NC State?

Will They Get It Done?

I’ve been the high man on this team all year but I’m now in “prove-it” mode. They are 2-5 in ACC series this year after going 4-6 last year. How can you project them to suddenly win three series in a row and/or six games out of nine? They’ve only done that once the last two seasons: a sweep vs GT and then two of three on the road at Clemson last year.

Will this team go quietly into the night? Absolutely not; they will be heard from down the stretch. Despite how high the ceiling is, this group has not been able to string together multiple weeks of playing up to their potential, so it’s hard to suddenly think they will as this season enters do-or-die time.

BASEBALL: Will the Pack Make the NCAA Tournament?

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Glasswolf
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pack2010 said:

last 2 series are against Pitt (RPI 71) and UNC (RPI 36). Gotta go 4-2 to feel good about it, IMO
At least
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Bismarck
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Pack at #19 in RPI.

Crazy how the margin seems so thin. Were we to sweep UNC, the talk could be that we could host if we win the Pitt series. Conversely, lose the series to UNC and the talk could be we need to sweep Pitt to get in the tourney.
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ACC baseball seems to always be that way. Typically outside the top two or three teams, anything can happen. Lots of movement possible the last few weeks of the season. All about getting things going at the right time.
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Glasswolf said:

pack2010 said:

last 2 series are against Pitt (RPI 71) and UNC (RPI 36). Gotta go 4-2 to feel good about it, IMO
At least
Going into the second half of ACC play, I felt winning two-of-three for the rest of the way would be good. That would have been 10-5. If NC State wins two-of-three in the last two ACC series, it would be 9-6, but I think the ECU win gives it enough fluff to push them into the dance. Of course, there is then what happens in Durham. However, it would not surprise me at all if NC State plays for the title for a third year in a row.
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Pack at #19 in RPI.

Crazy how the margin seems so thin. Were we to sweep UNC, the talk could be that we could host if we win the Pitt series. Conversely, lose the series to UNC and the talk could be we need to sweep Pitt to get in the tourney.
Agree. Letting that Friday win get away hurts because would have given them some room for error
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: Week 13
TOP STORIES D1 Baseball Staff - May 10, 2023

https://d1baseball.com/top-stories/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-week-13/

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last five in to last five out, from strongest to weakest:

60. NC State
61. Texas Tech
62. UTSA
63. Texas State
64. Troy

Here are our postseason overall field changes from last week:

IN: Texas State and UNC Wilmington (UNCW was moved to the automatic bid for the Colonial)

#3 seed in Conway regional
Coastal Carolina #12 national seed

The SEC has the most projected bids with 11, and all three bubble teams Auburn, Texas A&M and Georgia strengthened their positions over the past week. The ACC is next with 9, followed by the Pac-12 (five), Big 12 (five), Sun Belt (four) and Big Ten (three).

pack2010
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Getting Tennessee as a 2 would be TOUGH. They aren't close to what they were last year, but still have have the best team ERA in the SEC and have been playing good baseball.

granted, we have to worry about ourselves first
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Wolfer79 said:

D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: Week 13
TOP STORIES D1 Baseball Staff - May 10, 2023

https://d1baseball.com/top-stories/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-week-13/

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last five in to last five out, from strongest to weakest:

60. NC State
61. Texas Tech
62. UTSA
63. Texas State
64. Troy

Here are our postseason overall field changes from last week:

IN: Texas State and UNC Wilmington (UNCW was moved to the automatic bid for the Colonial)

#3 seed in Conway regional
Coastal Carolina #12 national seed

The SEC has the most projected bids with 11, and all three bubble teams Auburn, Texas A&M and Georgia strengthened their positions over the past week. The ACC is next with 9, followed by the Pac-12 (five), Big 12 (five), Sun Belt (four) and Big Ten (three).


Keep winning, since we already have beaten Coastal, I don't think that is a bad place to go.
Wolfer79
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after last night
3-6 in ACC series

RPI still in 20s
Wolfer79
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Andrew Sanders on radio post game said today that NC State even with a sweep of Pittsburgh in final regular season series NC State would not get NCAAT bid and #Pack9 has to win ACCT to make NCAAT
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Wolfer79 said:

Andrew Sanders on radio post game said today that NC State even with a sweep of Pittsburgh in final regular season series NC State would not get NCAAT bid and #Pack9 has to win ACCT to make NCAAT


No surprise there after getting swept by the holes
Wolfer79
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standings
May 14

Atlantic
Wake Forest 20-6 .769
Clemson 17-10 .630
Boston College, Notre Dame 14-13 .519
NC State 10-16 .385
Louisville 9-18 .333
Florida State 7-20 .259

Coastal
Miami Virginia 16-11 .593
Duke 15-11 .577
unc-ch 14-11 .560
Georgia Tech 12-15 .444
Virginia Tech 11-15 .423 edit
Pittsburgh 10-15 .400

May 18-20 all series Thursday through Saturday
Notre Dame @ Boston College
unc-ch @ Clemson
Virginia Tech @ Wake Forest
Pittsburgh @ NC State
Virginia @ Georgia Tech
Florida State @ Louisville
Duke @ Miami
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Glasswolf said:


thank you
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https://d1baseball.com/projections/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-17/

NC State out

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61. UC Irvine
62. Oklahoma
63. Arizona State
64. TCU
CUTOFF
65. Texas State
66. Georgia Tech
67. Rutgers
68. Louisiana

castlewood107
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The bubble is really, really soft. We are likely going to be one game short again, as crazy as that sounds.

Notre Dame is a 3 seed and not even among Last Four In -- and they have an RPI >50, abysmal non-conf SOS and likely going to finish under .500 in the league. Ugh. That's all it would have taken!

Strangely, we really are kinda back in the convo with a sweep of Pitt and just a little bit of help elsewhere. Though Pitt has not been swept all year I think......
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castlewood107 said:

The bubble is really, really soft. We are likely going to be one game short again, as crazy as that sounds.

Notre Dame is a 3 seed and not even among Last Four In -- and they have an RPI >50, abysmal non-conf SOS and likely going to finish under .500 in the league. Ugh. That's all it would have taken!

Strangely, we really are kinda back in the convo with a sweep of Pitt and just a little bit of help elsewhere. Though Pitt has not been swept all year I think......


i do not count 1 game series vs unc-ch as a sweep, but tecnically it is a sweep

from Pittsburgj series topic

Pittsburgh 10-15 .400

@ Florida State 1-2
unc-ch 0-1
Virginia Tech 2-1
@ Duke 1-2
Notre Dame 1-3
@ Virginia 2-1
Wake Forest 1-2
@ Georgia Tech 1-2
Miami 1-2
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castlewood107 said:

The bubble is really, really soft. We are likely going to be one game short again, as crazy as that sounds.

Notre Dame is a 3 seed and not even among Last Four In -- and they have an RPI >50, abysmal non-conf SOS and likely going to finish under .500 in the league. Ugh. That's all it would have taken!

Strangely, we really are kinda back in the convo with a sweep of Pitt and just a little bit of help elsewhere. Though Pitt has not been swept all year I think......
Yep after last weekend I thought we were done no matter what happened with Pitt but a sweep I think puts us back in the conversation at least.
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Just win the damn ACC tournament. Problem solved.
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If the pattern plays out, State will lose to wake in the ACC title game this year.
wilmwolf
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I think we are on the outside looking in still, but I actually think our resume is much better than last year numbers wise, and we were supposedly the last team out last year. I still think last year's snub was political, and it's really hard to know what the committee will do from one year to the next. All I know for certain is if we win the ACC tourney we'll be in, so let's get rolling!
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wilmwolf80 said:

I think we are on the outside looking in still, but I actually think our resume is much better than last year numbers wise, and we were supposedly the last team out last year. I still think last year's snub was political, and it's really hard to know what the committee will do from one year to the next. All I know for certain is if we win the ACC tourney we'll be in, so let's get rolling!
Let's look at the resume.

Final Regular Season RPI 26
13-16 vs ACC Finished 9th in the overall ACC standings
21-2 vs Non Conference opponents

9-17 vs Top 50 RPI
8-1 vs 51-100
2-0 vs 101-150
15-0 vs 151-305

State played 14 series and won 8 of those.
Non-Conference wins against:
Wagner (249 RPI)
Belmont (227 RPI)
NJIT (217 RPI)
Citadel (234 RPI)

ACC Series Wins against
14th place FSU RPI 59
13th place Louisville RPI 41
12th place Pitt RPI 74
8th place ND RPI 48

ACC Series Losses
1st place Wake RPI 1
2nd place Virginia RPI 9
3rd place Clemson RPI 7
4th place Miami RPI 18
6th place BC RPI 14
7th place UNC RPI 29

Non-Conference Losses
Elon RPI 60
ECU RPI 23

Non-Conference wins
Coastal RPI 13
Longwood RPI 230
Radford RPI 295
UNCG x2 RPI 145
Elon RPI 60
UNCW x2 RPI 56
ECU RPI 23
Davidson RPI 213
NC A&T RPI 181

I have no idea if this will be good enough to make the postseason. They beat the teams they were supposed to beat and only lost one series and 1 OOC game to a lower RPI team.
castlewood107
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Obviously winning the ACCT is best path, so let's do it. Everyone in the world had us in LY and we got screwed. Who knows what will happen.

But I was bored this morning and looked at the bubble -- think right now there are 8 spots for these 10 teams. So we are both an outlier in RPI (very good) and conf record (bad).

(Sorted by RPI with conf record below)

26 NCSU 13-16
35 Troy 18-12
36 Oklahoma 11-13
38 TCU 13-11
44 TxTech 12-12
45 UCIrvine 15-11
48 N Dame 15-15
50 AZ St 16-13
51 USC 17-13
54 K State 13-11

1-bid leagues where we need certain teams to win: ECU (AAC), Campbell (Big South), Indiana State (MWC), UConn (Big East), Northeastern (CAA)

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You never really know what they care about year to year, but in the past it has been said they care about series record more than individual wins and losses. You also have to wonder what weight they give to playing in possibly the best, and certainly top two, conference. All of our series losses are to teams in the field, and half of them are to potential top 8 seeds. I doubt most other teams on the bubble faced that kind of competition.

I feel like narrative is important, since you are dealing with the human selection committee, and right now the narrative is that we don't deserve a bid (which is why I'm not a fan of NC State related sites writing and tweeting some of the stuff they have over the last few weeks that reinforce that narrative). More than anything, I think that's the hardest thing to overcome, because you can make a descent case that we deserve to be in the field.
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It's always interesting with the northern teams. UCONN is a lock and is talked about to host.

Yet, their RPI is right there with State and they are 1-2 (!) against tier 1 teams.

For State, just need to flip two games (say last BC game and first UNC game) and I think we'd be in great shape. Frustrating.
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Winning the ACC Tournament is only real shot to make NCAA Tournament this year. While varies year to year last season showed making the ACC finals did not even matter, doubt it does this year as well.
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Wolfpack91 said:

Winning the ACC Tournament is only real shot to make NCAA Tournament this year. While varies year to year last season showed making the ACC finals did not even matter, doubt it does this year as well.
Resume and metrics are better this year. It's still unlikely but there is still a chance we get in without winning the ACC Tournament
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D1 said NCSU is "probably in the field" if they beat Duke and Miami
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I think State is in a better spot than everyone else seems to think. Win one of two against Miami or Duke. I don't see how you justify leaving a top 25 RPI team out of the field, when teams with similar/worse RPIs are being talked as being potential host.

Add in the fact that State likely for screwed last year, and then the CWS screw job... I would think the NCAA would have enough foresight to err on the side of caution this year and throw State a bone.
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Any ACC guys on the selection committee this year? I feel like people pointed out there was 0 acc representation when we got screwed last year.
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FlockaWolf said:

Any ACC guys on the selection committee this year? I feel like people pointed out there was 0 acc representation when we got screwed last year.

All I could find was John Cohen of Auburn (formerly of Miss State) was the new chairman.
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CLTWolf said:

FlockaWolf said:

Any ACC guys on the selection committee this year? I feel like people pointed out there was 0 acc representation when we got screwed last year.

All I could find was John Cohen of Auburn (formerly of Miss State) was the new chairman.


I can't locate a definitive list. Saw that ECU and FSU guys were selected to the committee, but not effective until September.
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FlockaWolf said:

Any ACC guys on the selection committee this year? I feel like people pointed out there was 0 acc representation when we got screwed last year.
It probably didn't help, but I always felt that was a weak excuse to point to - lot of conferences not getting representation in that committee.

The big knock was 4 conference series wins last year, which is a strange metric btw, and we have the same amount this year - with none of them being as impressive as last year's sweep of GT.

Just go into it assuming we need to win the title - which we have a great setup to do imo.
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pack2010 said:

D1 said NCSU is "probably in the field" if they beat Duke and Miami
What was D1's projection last year ahead of selection day? I am 99.9% sure they had us comfortably in the field.
 
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