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BASEBALL: Will the Pack Make the NCAA Tournament?

May 4, 2023
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NC State’s season took an abrupt u-turn when they got swept at home by Clemson a couple of weeks ago, and with it, their tournament outlook changed dramatically.

How did we end up here?

10 days ago the talk was about hosting, but now State might be a bubble team – if you want to be optimistic. You can’t get swept at home by anybody, particularly Clemson, even though they look better now. This happened last year against Wake Forest and it cost State. It cost them again this year even if they still find a way to dance.

The upside projecting State a month ago was looking at the schedule and thinking eventually their poor luck would turn. Well, they went 3-3 at home against FSU and Clemson, so the comfortable schedule is gone.

Their luck turned with a couple of tight wins against FSU (State is now 4-3 in one run ACC games, even though their +1 run differential indicates a team that should be .500 in ACC play, not four games under), but they simply have not played as well as they did earlier in the year -- even though they weren’t winning those games. I haven’t been inspired by the last four games of non-conference play, either, despite the win over ECU.

Looking back, a couple of losses sting, but none as much as the last BC game. If that’s a win, State is probably fine, but it wasn’t. An inexplicable loss at the time has gotten worse as the season has gone on.

The Resume

State’s resume is being carried by their RPI of 24. I haven’t figured out how it’s at 24, but the non conference schedule has somehow held up. There’s no dead weight in the ACC, so that’s certainly helped the case, too.

The positives are that State has no ugly losses on the resume.  They’re 22-1 in games against teams outside the top 50. The series win over Louisville has lost steam, but it’s still nice. Wins over Coastal and ECU should matter, but the committee did not care about it last year, so who knows.

7-13 in top 50 games, lack of quality series wins, and ACC record are the biggest barriers for State. The Pack really needs the Louisville series to mean more than it does. If State wasn’t 8-12 it’s not as big of an issue, but at the same time, they wouldn’t be 8-12 with another series win. This is where the BC loss hurts the most.

What Needs To Happen?

There’s nine ACC games left plus the ACC Tournament, although the committee has repeatedly shown they don’t care about the latter. Additionally, the Pack is currently only 0.5 games clear of missing the conference tournament, which is another problem to worry about.

6-3 would get the Pack to 14-15 in the league, likely with a top-20 RPI.  That gets you in. The Pack is currently 2-5 in league series this year which is something that was an issue last year, hence why series wins are important against fellow bubble teams Notre Dame and UNC. Note that I don’t think 6-3 is a lock if it involves a series loss to one of those teams.

I don’t see the Pack getting in with a 5-4 finish. That would put them at 13-16, which would not be an unprecedented inclusion to the tournament, but it’s a major uphill battle. With the lack of quality series wins, I don’t think it’s enough. And are you really going to count on the NCAA committee to do any sort of favor for NC State?

Will They Get It Done?

I’ve been the high man on this team all year but I’m now in “prove-it” mode. They are 2-5 in ACC series this year after going 4-6 last year. How can you project them to suddenly win three series in a row and/or six games out of nine? They’ve only done that once the last two seasons: a sweep vs GT and then two of three on the road at Clemson last year.

Will this team go quietly into the night? Absolutely not; they will be heard from down the stretch. Despite how high the ceiling is, this group has not been able to string together multiple weeks of playing up to their potential, so it’s hard to suddenly think they will as this season enters do-or-die time.

BASEBALL: Will the Pack Make the NCAA Tournament?

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pack2010
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Wolfpack91 said:

pack2010 said:

D1 said NCSU is "probably in the field" if they beat Duke and Miami
What was D1's projection last year ahead of selection day? I am 99.9% sure they had us comfortably in the field.

they did, as did every media member/site. not that it matters, but i am not sure i saw one reputable person last year that said "ncsu shouldn't be in"
pack2010
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D1 has us as team 64/64 and in the tourney.

https://d1baseball.com/projections/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-22/
castlewood107
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Barring 3-4 bid thieves, I think we get in with a 1-1 week and just a little bit of help. This bubble is way softer than last year.

I really dont want to see the usual suspects all over twitter saying our season is done with one loss this week. I just hate that.

Just look at the last 4 in, first 4 out. Every one of these teams has major, major flaws.

61. Arizona State
62. Notre Dame
63. Oklahoma
64. NC State
CUTOFF
65. Texas State
66. Elon
67. UTSA
68. Cal State Fullerton
pack2010
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Imagine that was the bracket, sheeesh.

The coastal regional with CCU, UNCW, NCSU and South Carolina is loaded.
metcalfmafia
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You guys are giving me hope…
Alex Gee
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metcalfmafia said:

You guys are giving me hope…
Our team sheet is actually really impressive especially compared to other bubble teams. Worst loss was Elon in a midweek and they're 60th in RPI and have a great chance to win the CAA this weekend. Next worse are @ ND (47), Louisville (40), and then @UNC (29).

Other than those 6 losses, every other loss has been to teams ranked inside the top 25 of the RPI. And nobody outside of the top 18 in a weekend series.

Weirdly though it isn't much better, if better at all than last season. If we do get in there is even more proof of how big of a sham last year was.
BigLefty24
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17 of our 52 games this year have been against top 25 RPI teams. We're 5-12 in those games.

* UCONN (RPI #25) has played two of those games (1-1).
* ECU (RPI # 22)has played 4, and they've lost all four.
* Dallas Baptist (RPI #14) has played 2 (1-1).
* Stanford (RPI #11) hasn't played any.
* Indiana State (RPI #10) has played 5, and they're 1-4.


We've lost 16 conference games. 11 of those 16 were to teams ranked inside the top 19 RPI, and three more were to UNC, who is ranked #29.

So, you've got 11 of 16 ACC losses to top 19 ranked teams (7 of those 11 to teams ranked inside the top 9). 14 of 16 ACC losses to teams ranked inside the top 29. Throw in a split out of conference with #22 ECU, and there's your 12 losses to top 25 RPI teams..

Folks are gonna harp on the losing conference record, but damn, lets be real... those aren't your everyday losses. Those five other teams above are looking at hosting, and those five teams have COMBINED to play 5 less games against top 25 teams than State has.
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wilmwolf
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Yup. If we were a big ten basketball team, that's exactly the kind of resume that puts you in the dance. Hopefully we can shift the narrative.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
pack2010
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castlewood107 said:

Barring 3-4 bid thieves, I think we get in with a 1-1 week and just a little bit of help. This bubble is way softer than last year.

I really dont want to see the usual suspects all over twitter saying our season is done with one loss this week. I just hate that.

Just look at the last 4 in, first 4 out. Every one of these teams has major, major flaws.

61. Arizona State
62. Notre Dame
63. Oklahoma
64. NC State
CUTOFF
65. Texas State
66. Elon
67. UTSA
68. Cal State Fullerton

Arizona State is down 9-0 to Arizona mid way through their Pac12 tourney game. Would be a bad loss for them and help us.

Of course, we have to win too.
Wolfer79
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"I still believe in @NCStateBaseball I have just not been able to quit those guys this year. ... I expect them to make some noise."

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pack2010
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pack2010 said:

castlewood107 said:

Barring 3-4 bid thieves, I think we get in with a 1-1 week and just a little bit of help. This bubble is way softer than last year.

I really dont want to see the usual suspects all over twitter saying our season is done with one loss this week. I just hate that.

Just look at the last 4 in, first 4 out. Every one of these teams has major, major flaws.

61. Arizona State
62. Notre Dame
63. Oklahoma
64. NC State
CUTOFF
65. Texas State
66. Elon
67. UTSA
68. Cal State Fullerton

Arizona State is down 9-0 to Arizona mid way through their Pac12 tourney game. Would be a bad loss for them and help us.

Of course, we have to win too.

kmb717
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ECU just gave up 6 runs in the top of the 9th and is now trailing 11-9 in the bottom 9th of their first American conference tournament game. We need them to win the AAC or a bid would be stolen.
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kmb717 said:

ECU just gave up 6 runs in the top of the 9th and is now trailing 11-9 in the bottom 9th of their first American conference tournament game. We need them to win the AAC or a bid would be stolen.
Tied it in the b9, headed to extra innings.
WolfQuacker
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WolfQuacker said:

kmb717 said:

ECU just gave up 6 runs in the top of the 9th and is now trailing 11-9 in the bottom 9th of their first American conference tournament game. We need them to win the AAC or a bid would be stolen.
Tied it in the b9, headed to extra innings.
Damn, USF won it in the 11th.
castlewood107
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Lots of bubble action today. Some fun games to track.

TCU is destroying K State early, that should lock them in and put K State behind us in the pecking order with a 30-point RPI difference. You cannot possibly justify K State ahead of us with a a 55 RPI and 3-5 Big XII series record.
SportManagementEngineer
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Only ACC game of consequence today is Pitt/Notre Dame. Would be nice if Pitt could pull the upset as Notre Dame is another bubble team and we've got a sweep over Pitt.
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pack2010
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Pitt up 7-4 bottom 5 over ND
pack2010
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Pitt now up 9-4 going to the bottom of the 8th (ND is the home team).

Would be a nice outcome for the Pack.
pack2010
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Pitt wins.

Helps NCSU for sure
pack2010
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RPI up to #21
Bismarck
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RPI up to #19.

We'll be a national seed by Saturday at this rate.
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Bismarck said:

RPI up to #19.

We'll be a national seed by Saturday at this rate.


If NC State ended up hosting a regional after everything that has happened this season it would the funniest thing ever.
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 25
TOP STORIES D1 Baseball Staff - May 25, 2023

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61. UC Irvine
62. Kansas State
63. Arizona State
64. Notre Dame
CUTOFF
65. Louisiana
66. Texas State
67. Xavier
68. Arizona

https://d1baseball.com/top-stories/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-25/

#3 seed in Conway with #9 national seed Coastal Carolina
Alex Gee
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Wolfer79 said:


D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 25
TOP STORIES D1 Baseball Staff - May 25, 2023

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61. UC Irvine
62. Kansas State
63. Arizona State
64. Notre Dame
CUTOFF
65. Louisiana
66. Texas State
67. Xavier
68. Arizona

https://d1baseball.com/top-stories/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-25/

#3 seed in Conway with #9 national seed Coastal Carolina

We win that regional
wilmwolf
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Based on the latest protections, of our six conference series losses, 3 are projected top 8, 5 projected to host, and UNC is a two seed.
Just a guy on the sunshine squad.
Wolfpack91
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Have we done enough to get an at large bid?

50/50 IMO.
kmb717
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We'd be a lock if we didn't blow Game 1 to Chapel Hill. Sigh.
Packchem91
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kmb717 said:

We'd be a lock if we didn't blow Game 1 to Chapel Hill. Sigh.


Would we? Didn't we hear last year that the knock was not winning series against good teams? And unless your theory is we'd have gone on to win that series has we won G1, would winning it have moved the needle?
Seems like they discounted the ACC tourn games last year, so if same, the Duke win was meaningless?

Alas, I hope we get in. And Coastal would be a good draw
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Wolfpack91 said:

Have we done enough to get an at large bid?

50/50 IMO.
60/40 right now but a lot can still change with stolen bids and RPI
castlewood107
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We should be fine unless a handful of bids get stolen. Having said that, two games we need to go our way tonight:

Wake beating ND -- Game is meaningless for WF, so they are going to pitch their D squad (which is still really good lol). An L would finish ND ~55 in RPI. There is no possible way to take them over us with that RPI gap + our series win in South Bend. A ND win probably jumps them 12 spots the RPI since WF is No 1.

Oklahoma State over Oklahoma -- Oklahoma would finish 3 games under .500 in Big XII aggregate, 3-5 series conf record, 40+ RPI. I would love to see the argument they go above us given what I just wrote.
Wolfer79
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 26
PROJECTIONS D1 Baseball Staff - May 26, 2023

https://d1baseball.com/projections/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-26/

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61: NC State
62: Oklahoma
63: Arizona State
64: Kansas State
CUTOFF
65. Notre Dame
66. Xavier
67. Arizona
68. Louisiana

#3 seed in Conway wuth #0 national seed Coastal Carolina
Wolfpack91
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Wolfer79 said:

D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 26
PROJECTIONS D1 Baseball Staff - May 26, 2023

https://d1baseball.com/projections/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-26/

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61: NC State
62: Oklahoma
63: Arizona State
64: Kansas State
CUTOFF
65. Notre Dame
66. Xavier
67. Arizona
68. Louisiana

#3 seed in Conway wuth #0 national seed Coastal Carolina
Would feel better if both ND & Oklahoma lose today.
packman34
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Last year we were supposedly in and not even close to being on the bubble at all, and you saw what the NCAA did to us. How does anyone think we can be in the bubble and get in now?? I don't get it. The NCAA is out to screw us every chance they get. A lot of people that weren't even State fans knew we got hosed last year. I have no reason to think the committee is going to do anything diff this year.
Packamylase
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I'm not holding my breath...
DecaturWolf
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I do not trust No Clue At All.
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