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BASEBALL: Will the Pack Make the NCAA Tournament?

May 4, 2023
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NC State’s season took an abrupt u-turn when they got swept at home by Clemson a couple of weeks ago, and with it, their tournament outlook changed dramatically.

How did we end up here?

10 days ago the talk was about hosting, but now State might be a bubble team – if you want to be optimistic. You can’t get swept at home by anybody, particularly Clemson, even though they look better now. This happened last year against Wake Forest and it cost State. It cost them again this year even if they still find a way to dance.

The upside projecting State a month ago was looking at the schedule and thinking eventually their poor luck would turn. Well, they went 3-3 at home against FSU and Clemson, so the comfortable schedule is gone.

Their luck turned with a couple of tight wins against FSU (State is now 4-3 in one run ACC games, even though their +1 run differential indicates a team that should be .500 in ACC play, not four games under), but they simply have not played as well as they did earlier in the year -- even though they weren’t winning those games. I haven’t been inspired by the last four games of non-conference play, either, despite the win over ECU.

Looking back, a couple of losses sting, but none as much as the last BC game. If that’s a win, State is probably fine, but it wasn’t. An inexplicable loss at the time has gotten worse as the season has gone on.

The Resume

State’s resume is being carried by their RPI of 24. I haven’t figured out how it’s at 24, but the non conference schedule has somehow held up. There’s no dead weight in the ACC, so that’s certainly helped the case, too.

The positives are that State has no ugly losses on the resume.  They’re 22-1 in games against teams outside the top 50. The series win over Louisville has lost steam, but it’s still nice. Wins over Coastal and ECU should matter, but the committee did not care about it last year, so who knows.

7-13 in top 50 games, lack of quality series wins, and ACC record are the biggest barriers for State. The Pack really needs the Louisville series to mean more than it does. If State wasn’t 8-12 it’s not as big of an issue, but at the same time, they wouldn’t be 8-12 with another series win. This is where the BC loss hurts the most.

What Needs To Happen?

There’s nine ACC games left plus the ACC Tournament, although the committee has repeatedly shown they don’t care about the latter. Additionally, the Pack is currently only 0.5 games clear of missing the conference tournament, which is another problem to worry about.

6-3 would get the Pack to 14-15 in the league, likely with a top-20 RPI.  That gets you in. The Pack is currently 2-5 in league series this year which is something that was an issue last year, hence why series wins are important against fellow bubble teams Notre Dame and UNC. Note that I don’t think 6-3 is a lock if it involves a series loss to one of those teams.

I don’t see the Pack getting in with a 5-4 finish. That would put them at 13-16, which would not be an unprecedented inclusion to the tournament, but it’s a major uphill battle. With the lack of quality series wins, I don’t think it’s enough. And are you really going to count on the NCAA committee to do any sort of favor for NC State?

Will They Get It Done?

I’ve been the high man on this team all year but I’m now in “prove-it” mode. They are 2-5 in ACC series this year after going 4-6 last year. How can you project them to suddenly win three series in a row and/or six games out of nine? They’ve only done that once the last two seasons: a sweep vs GT and then two of three on the road at Clemson last year.

Will this team go quietly into the night? Absolutely not; they will be heard from down the stretch. Despite how high the ceiling is, this group has not been able to string together multiple weeks of playing up to their potential, so it’s hard to suddenly think they will as this season enters do-or-die time.

BASEBALL: Will the Pack Make the NCAA Tournament?

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Bismarck
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The fact that our RPI is currently better than UNC. ECU and Duke is …….an unexpected surprise
Wolfer79
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Packamylase
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Interesting. We will see...
Wolfer79
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Packamylase said:

Interesting. We will see...


lots of baseball to be played between today and Selection Monday

unfortunately, NC State's resume is set
Glasswolf
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Bismarck said:

The fact that our RPI is currently better than UNC. ECU and Duke is …….an unexpected surprise
Like I said the other day. Let's see what metric the selection committee will use against us this year to keep us out. They seem to find a new one every time.
Wolfer79
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 27
POSTSEASON D1 Baseball Staff - May 27, 2023

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61. NC State
62. Arizona State
63. Kansas State
64. Oklahoma
CUTOFF
65. Arizona
66. Notre Dame
67. Xavier
68. Louisiana

https://d1baseball.com/postseason/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-27/

#3 seed in Conway with #9 national seed Coastal Carolina
Bismarck
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Yeah, the case against us is lack of series wins against tourney teams and our conference record. They could use that to keep us out.

OTOH, we've played 19(!) games against top 25 RPI. We are 6-13 in those games. Only 3 of our losses are to teams not currently projected into the field (1 each to Elon, Louisville and Norte Dame). We have 0 losses against teams outside the top 100. We have non-con wins over possible national seed C Carolina and tourney team ECU.

To me, though not perfect, we've done enough. But we did enough last year too.


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Wolfer79 said:




Avengers assemble
Wolfer79
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Huge win for the #Cajuns, who are up a whopping 15 spots in the RPI over the past week. So, tonight is HUGE at the SBC tourney. If Louisiana and App State both win tonight, the SBC is guaranteed a 'stolen bid' w/. Troy safe IMO.

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FlockaWolf said:

Wolfer79 said:




Avengers assemble

Please put us anywhere but Nashville with that SOB whistler.
FlockaWolf
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I may be mistaken but I think he passed away
Glasswolf
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Wolfer79 said:

D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 27
POSTSEASON D1 Baseball Staff - May 27, 2023

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:

61. NC State
62. Arizona State
63. Kansas State
64. Oklahoma
CUTOFF
65. Arizona
66. Notre Dame
67. Xavier
68. Louisiana

https://d1baseball.com/postseason/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-27/

#3 seed in Conway with #9 national seed Coastal Carolina
Don't mind CC but something scares me about SC
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FlockaWolf said:

I may be mistaken but I think he passed away

No, he's alive.

I had this conversation a couple weeks ago while on the west coast on a work trip talking baseball. A supplier of mine thought he was dead too and we looked it up to find it was an internet hoax.

https://www.tennessean.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fvanderbilt%2F2023%2F02%2F18%2Fvandy-whistler-jeff-pack-deals-with-false-reports-of-death-sons-als-diagnosis%2F69915069007%2F#
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Wolfer79
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So, @UConnBSB forces a second Big East title game against Xavier with a 6-4 win. Again, if you're a bubble team, you've got your UConn pom poms out for the second game. A UCONN win eliminates a potential stolen bid.

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CLTWolf said:

FlockaWolf said:

I may be mistaken but I think he passed away

No, he's alive.

I had this conversation a couple weeks ago while on the west coast on a work trip talking baseball. A supplier of mine thought he was dead too and we looked it up to find it was an internet hoax.

https://www.tennessean.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tennessean.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Fvanderbilt%2F2023%2F02%2F18%2Fvandy-whistler-jeff-pack-deals-with-false-reports-of-death-sons-als-diagnosis%2F69915069007%2F#


I had one of their SEC tournament games on the other day and had to mute within the first two minutes. It's impossible to watch with the constant whistle and claps. Way worse than the cowbells at Miss St.

Pulling for Conway just to avoid the whistles lol.
Wolfer79
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 28

POSTSEASON D1 Baseball Staff - May 28, 2023

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:
61. NC State
62. Arizona State
63. Oklahoma
64. Louisiana
CUTOFF
65. Kansas State
66. Arizona
67. Notre Dame
68. UC Santa Barbara

A couple more bubble spots could be snatched up by surprise automatic qualifiers Sunday if Tulane beats East Carolina (making the American a two-bid league) or Charlotte beats Dallas Baptist (making C-USA a two-bid league). We already have the Sun Belt projected for four bids, so a Louisiana victory over Southern Miss would not "steal" a bid; it would simply convert the Cajuns from a projected at-large team to an automatic qualifier. And in the CAA, Elon and Northeastern will battle for the right to face UNCW in the title game. We currently have UNCW as the projected automatic qualifier and Northeastern as an at-large team, but if the Seahawks lose to the Huskies they will have a strong at-large case, likely slotting in ahead of Oklahoma or Arizona State on our at-large ladder. If the Seahawks lose to Elon, we suspect the UNCW would get squeezed out, with the Phoenix and Huskies getting bids and keeping the CAA a three-bid league.


#3 in Conway with
#10 national seed Coastal Carolina
East Carolina
Rider

https://d1baseball.com/postseason/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-28/
Glasswolf
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https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2023-ncaa-baseball-tournament-projected-field-of-64/

#3 seed in Nashville

Vandy #7 national seed
Washington
NC State
Libscomb
kmb717
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ECU down 7-5 in the 8th. Another bid about to be stolen. This is bad.
Rob McLamb
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Glasswolf said:

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2023-ncaa-baseball-tournament-projected-field-of-64/

#3 seed in Nashville

Vandy #7 national seed
Washington
NC State
Libscomb
If this becomes a reality, I feel like NC State could be a CWS team. While taking on Coastal would not be easy, the hardest part would probably be getting to Supers.
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Daviewolf83
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Tulane beats ECU, taking a spot from a bubble team.
SportManagementEngineer
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Daviewolf83 said:

Tulane beats ECU, taking a spot from a bubble team.

Tulane has 40 losses. The most by an NCAA Tournament team ever.
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kmb717
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Dallas Baptist about to go down as well.

It's over guys. Too many bids stolen yesterday and today. We're not getting in.
pbr1973
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Pessimism abound. 3 innings of baseball remaining in that game. DBU can still win
Daviewolf83
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Dallas-Baptist loses to Charlotte 5-2. Another bid stolen.
FlockaWolf
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Ezu so fraudulent all year
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kmb717 said:

Dallas Baptist about to go down as well.

It's over guys. Too many bids stolen yesterday and today. We're not getting in.


Only 3 bids were stolen. Most projections had State 4 or more spots off the cut line. It's not over but if we get in it'll be one of the last 1-3 teams in now
Packamylase
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When is the announcement made?
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Packamylase said:

When is the announcement made?


Noon tomorrow
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Alex Gee
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Good news for us tonight IMO. Committee heavily considered RPI when choosing hosts. 15 of the 16 top RPI teams hosting with only Campbell being jumped by Auburn (19 over 14).

I think we are comfortably in and that's the way it should be. Pulling for Conway with an overrated Big 10 or non P5 school to be the 2.
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I saw one projection that had Campbell in Fayetteville hosting with NC State there before the hosts were announced. Could you imagine how wonderful that regional would have been?
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Daviewolf83
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Rob McLamb said:

I saw one projection that had Campbell in Fayetteville hosting with NC State there before the hosts were announced. Could you imagine how wonderful that regional would have been?
I was hoping for this as well. SEC has eight schools hosting and the ACC has four schools hosting.

I hope we are sent to Conway, but if not, I suspect we will be sent to Vandy or Florida, with outside chance we go to Auburn. Based on RPI, we should be in the tourney, but I will be sweeting it out until I see State's name get posted. I still remember watching last year and getting to the last seeds and realizing State was going to be left out. It was a real gut punch.
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No way 7 ACC teams make it. I don't even think State's in last 4 in.
Bismarck
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James Henderson said:

No way 7 ACC teams make it. I don't even think State's in last 4 in.


This is the reason I feel pretty good. I really can't see only 7 teams getting in. And ND is 30 spots behind us in the RPI.
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James Henderson said:

No way 7 ACC teams make it. I don't even think State's in last 4 in.


Meaning you think State is out, not that they are comfortably in (above last 4 in)?
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D1Baseball Field of 64 Projections: May 29, Final Edition

TOP STORIES D1 Baseball Staff - May 28, 2023

https://d1baseball.com/top-stories/d1baseball-field-of-64-projections-may-29-final-edition/

AT-LARGE LADDER:
Last four in, first four out, from strongest to weakest:
61. Southern California
62. UC Irvine
63. NC State
64. Oklahoma
CUTOFF
65. Louisiana
66. Arizona
67. Kansas State
68. Notre Dame


#3 seed in Columbia SC
#15 national seed South Carolina
Campbell
NC State
Pennsylvania
 
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