TRUMP 2024

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Expect a lot of things to break and plenty of disasters as the 2026 election approaches without election software and computers allowed.

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Don Huffines is currently running for Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts in the 2026 election cycle which was my concern however this new information and allowance of accessibility to the Ranch makes this more hopeful.

This looks to have changed! Since I posted this thread …

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#Sieve, we've got it from 1/2 dozen different directions and at least one direction includes military intelligence.
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What this lady doesn't understand is that she's part of a conspiracy to commit treason conspiring with foreign nations. She'll sing like a song bird when she learns what she's part of.
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I'll bet #Nappy is registered to vote in NC and NY, at a minimum. Mail in ballots for both states.
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What criminality, if you cannot stand up against this then you don't deserve your liberty.
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Michigan election fraud.
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#Nappy, bite my a$$.
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Winning?






How was manufacturing under your guy?


A whole lot better, hence the WSJ's description as being "in retreat."

And from a construction spending standpoint, the sad irony is that the Biden administration's policies were disproportionately helping red states.

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The Bidenomics Investment Boom in Red America

The MAGA/Trump crowd is so dug in and pot-committed at this point. It's a massive case study in sunk cost fallacy.

It's OK to just admit tariffs have been a massive failure and apply electoral pressure to change direction. That's a perfectly appropriate response to economically awful, and unconstitutional, policy.


It's almost like you WANT your President Trump to fail?


We've already been over this, do me the favor of hearing me.

Trump's tariffs and the persistently high rates are hurting the economy, the housing market, and therefore hurting my business.

What I want and what we all need is for either Trump to kill the tariffs himself, or for Congress or the Supreme Court to force him to.

I don't give two ****s who's in office, I care a lot more about the US economy and my business doing well than I ever will about who specifically made that happen. Trump's in office the next three years regardless; give me the good economy to go along with that at least. Trump in office and a bad economy is lose - lose for everyone.



I see…it's all about you and your business. The country be damn.

Maybe we could start a go fund to help you meet your responsibilities?

In what way are economic outcomes for me or my business misaligned with those of other Americans?

How would ending the illegal tariff tax on consumers, which would also reduce inflation and give the Fed an easier road to cut rates, be good for me but not the rest of the country?

And what in this trajectory do you see that gives you confidence that staying the course is in any way economically beneficial for America?



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https://www.foxnews.com/us/two-illegal-aliens-arrested-violent-suburban-home-invasion-involving-sexual-assault-kidnapping-police?dicbo=v2-XDXuOif

Kind of a shame. These guys would have made great construction workers...
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Georgia teacher killed in crash after illegal migrant flees ICE stop

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A Savannah, Georgia elementary school teacher was killed Monday morning in a traffic collision after authorities say a man fleeing federal immigration officers crashed into her vehicle

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FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.


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Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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Restore Britain......how about its 'common man'
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


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I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; ....




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El Lobo Loco said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


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I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; ....






LOL

So is this the 'word salad' standard we're holding everyone to?
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




I agree about vibes to an extent, but theres gotta be some substance behind it for it to actually work. See Harris, Kamala

I get the appeal of AOC, but Im putting her squarely into the Kamala category until she proves otherwise. Of the two, she has infinitely more potential, although I dont currently see it.

As far as Newsom goes, its his record as governor of California that makes him unelectable. Hes been governor of California since 2019, so what exactly can he hang his hat on during that time? What are his clear cut victories as governor of California? The mass exodus of people/businesses from the state? The recovery of the Palisades fires? His handling of COVID? I think he will run into the same problems as Harris did as VP when hes asked to defend his record as governor. Hes currently trying to be the Dem version of Trump, except hes terrible at it. Its a perfect example of dont play your opponents game. They will drag you to their level and bludgeon you to death with experience.
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




I agree about vibes to an extent, but theres gotta be some substance behind it for it to actually work. See Harris, Kamala

I get the appeal of AOC, but Im putting her squarely into the Kamala category until she proves otherwise. Of the two, she has infinitely more potential, although I dont currently see it.

As far as Newsom goes, its his record as governor of California that makes him unelectable. Hes been governor of California since 2019, so what exactly can he hang his hat on during that time? What are his clear cut victories as governor of California? The mass exodus of people/businesses from the state? The recovery of the Palisades fires? His handling of COVID? I think he will run into the same problems as Harris did as VP when hes asked to defend his record as governor. Hes currently trying to be the Dem version of Trump, except hes terrible at it. Its a perfect example of dont play your opponents game. They will drag you to their level and bludgeon you to death with experience.


Trump is all vibes, man. None of us would hire him to run a 100-man company, much less a 340-million-man company. But politics is different. It's not about executive functioning; it's all vibes and culture wars now, evidently.

Kamala is an attorney and was elected AG and Senator. On paper she's way more than 'qualified'. And Harris sounded infinitely more sane and intelligent than Trump did in the debates. But America was over the Dems, and she crazily supported and wouldn't recant support for government-paid illegal immigrant trans sex changes in prison, so here we are.

Again, what standard are we holding people to? Sentence construction when speaking? Making good sense when speaking off the cuff? Being rational? Being humanist? Assembling a great staff? Passing legislation? No, we don't care about any of this stuff right now. Because if we did, Pubs wouldn't be held hostage by Trump, and Trump wouldn't be President right now.

Newsom's association to perhaps the most liberal state in the country is clearly the huge red flag for making him the guy. That could be a huge problem.

But getting elected is definitely not about needing to 'hang your hat' on anything. What did Trump and Vance 'hang their hat' on? What had they done that got them elected in 24?

It's all about audience capture, and just getting people to believe your agenda aligns with stuff they like to hear, and that you're capable of doing what they want you to do.

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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




I agree about vibes to an extent, but theres gotta be some substance behind it for it to actually work. See Harris, Kamala

I get the appeal of AOC, but Im putting her squarely into the Kamala category until she proves otherwise. Of the two, she has infinitely more potential, although I dont currently see it.

As far as Newsom goes, its his record as governor of California that makes him unelectable. Hes been governor of California since 2019, so what exactly can he hang his hat on during that time? What are his clear cut victories as governor of California? The mass exodus of people/businesses from the state? The recovery of the Palisades fires? His handling of COVID? I think he will run into the same problems as Harris did as VP when hes asked to defend his record as governor. Hes currently trying to be the Dem version of Trump, except hes terrible at it. Its a perfect example of dont play your opponents game. They will drag you to their level and bludgeon you to death with experience.


Trump is all vibes, man. None of us would hire him to run a 100-man company, much less a 340-million-man company. But politics is different. It's not about executive functioning; it's all vibes and culture wars now, evidently.

Kamala is an attorney and was elected AG and Senator. On paper she's way more than 'qualified'. And Harris sounded infinitely more sane and intelligent than Trump did in the debates. But America was over the Dems, and she crazily supported and wouldn't recant support for government-paid illegal immigrant trans sex changes in prison, so here we are.

Again, what standard are we holding people to? Sentence construction when speaking? Making good sense when speaking off the cuff? Being rational? Being humanist? Assembling a great staff? Passing legislation? No, we don't care about any of this stuff right now. Because if we did, Pubs wouldn't be held hostage by Trump, and Trump wouldn't be President right now.

Newsom's association to perhaps the most liberal state in the country is clearly the huge red flag for making him the guy. That could be a huge problem.

But getting elected is definitely not about needing to 'hang your hat' on anything. What did Trump and Vance 'hang their hat' on? What had they done that got them elected in 24?

It's all about audience capture, and just getting people to believe your agenda aligns with stuff they like to hear, and that you're capable of doing what they want you to do.



Trump had a full first term as President to run on. Say what you will about it, but the country took one look at the Biden administration and resoundingly said "yea, well go back to the other guy".

On what planet does Kamala come across as intelligent? She may be a good lawyer and may be book smart, but there any time she gets in front of a camera, she does nothing but ramble and cackle.

Look, if the Democrats want to run Newsom because he yells on Twitter a lot, be my guest. Just dont be shocked when it doesnt work out.
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




Inferring from your take, sounds to me like the Dem strategy was to get Trump elected rather than the opposite, by lawfaring him and garnering him a national sympathy vote. If so, diabolically brilliant because people realized that if they can do that to Trump, they can do that to anyone.
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Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




Inferring from your take, sounds to me like the Dem strategy was to get Trump elected rather than the opposite, by lawfaring him and garnering him a national sympathy vote. If so, diabolically brilliant because people realized that if they can do that to Trump, they can do that to anyone.


Fake lawfare claims resonated with people that were never voting for Harris anyway.

Lawfare is what Trump is actually doing now, putting frivolous charges in front of Grand Juries and having multiple GJ reject the indictments. Which never happens but is now, because the Justice Department claims are so obviously frivolous bull*****

Successfully seeking indictments and then successfully prosecuting someone isn't lawfare, that's just accountability.

Trump is back in office almost totally because people stupidly thought we was going to fix an economy that didn't need fixing by applying economically nonsensical tarrifs, and because people correctly thought he could secure the border, and because the Biden Administration lost the faith of the public by obscuring Biden's health towards the end of his first term, and even keeping him in the race like there was any chance he could make it through a second.
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FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




I agree about vibes to an extent, but theres gotta be some substance behind it for it to actually work. See Harris, Kamala

I get the appeal of AOC, but Im putting her squarely into the Kamala category until she proves otherwise. Of the two, she has infinitely more potential, although I dont currently see it.

As far as Newsom goes, its his record as governor of California that makes him unelectable. Hes been governor of California since 2019, so what exactly can he hang his hat on during that time? What are his clear cut victories as governor of California? The mass exodus of people/businesses from the state? The recovery of the Palisades fires? His handling of COVID? I think he will run into the same problems as Harris did as VP when hes asked to defend his record as governor. Hes currently trying to be the Dem version of Trump, except hes terrible at it. Its a perfect example of dont play your opponents game. They will drag you to their level and bludgeon you to death with experience.


Trump is all vibes, man. None of us would hire him to run a 100-man company, much less a 340-million-man company. But politics is different. It's not about executive functioning; it's all vibes and culture wars now, evidently.

Kamala is an attorney and was elected AG and Senator. On paper she's way more than 'qualified'. And Harris sounded infinitely more sane and intelligent than Trump did in the debates. But America was over the Dems, and she crazily supported and wouldn't recant support for government-paid illegal immigrant trans sex changes in prison, so here we are.

Again, what standard are we holding people to? Sentence construction when speaking? Making good sense when speaking off the cuff? Being rational? Being humanist? Assembling a great staff? Passing legislation? No, we don't care about any of this stuff right now. Because if we did, Pubs wouldn't be held hostage by Trump, and Trump wouldn't be President right now.

Newsom's association to perhaps the most liberal state in the country is clearly the huge red flag for making him the guy. That could be a huge problem.

But getting elected is definitely not about needing to 'hang your hat' on anything. What did Trump and Vance 'hang their hat' on? What had they done that got them elected in 24?

It's all about audience capture, and just getting people to believe your agenda aligns with stuff they like to hear, and that you're capable of doing what they want you to do.



Trump had a full first term as President to run on. Say what you will about it, but the country took one look at the Biden administration and resoundingly said "yea, well go back to the other guy".

On what planet does Kamala come across as intelligent? She may be a good lawyer and may be book smart, but there any time she gets in front of a camera, she doesnt nothing but ramble and cackle.

Look, if the Democrats want to run Newsom because he yells on Twitter a lot, be my guest. Just dont be shocked when it doesnt work out.


And now, after having gone back to the other guy, the country already thinks Biden was better. Grass ain't always greener.

The proportion of Kamala's conversations that are fluid, lucid, and rational are much, much higher than Trump (or Biden). And she walked the dog with Trump in the debate. I'm not saying she's a Mensa member but I'm also not interested in whatever standard you have for her intelligence unless you apply it to everyone equally.

What accomplishments from Trump's first term were feathers in his cap? His biggest accomplishment of his first term was Warp Speed, and you didn't hear anything about that in the race.

Trump didn't run on his first term. He ran as the opposition candidate opposing inflation, immigration, and the woke left.

And it worked, and now a year in most of America regrets it. He was always a terrible candidate, which the country acknowledged after his first term, but then forgot or convinced themselves they didn't care as it came time to oppose the Dems and he was the Pub candidate that seemed most likley to win.
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Civilized said:

Oldsouljer said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




Inferring from your take, sounds to me like the Dem strategy was to get Trump elected rather than the opposite, by lawfaring him and garnering him a national sympathy vote. If so, diabolically brilliant because people realized that if they can do that to Trump, they can do that to anyone.


Fake lawfare claims resonated with people that were never voting for Harris anyway.

Lawfare is what Trump is actually doing now, putting frivolous charges in front of Grand Juries and having multiple GJ reject the indictments. Which never happens but is now, because the Justice Department claims are so obviously frivolous bull*****

Successfully seeking indictments and then successfully prosecuting someone isn't lawfare, that's just accountability.

Trump is back in office almost totally because people stupidly thought we was going to fix an economy that didn't need fixing by applying economically nonsensical tarrifs, and because people correctly thought he could secure the border, and because the Biden Administration lost the faith of the public by obscuring Biden's health towards the end of his first term, and even keeping him in the race like there was any chance he could make it through a second.


Given 1) all the facts that have emerged over Fani Willis' egregious misconduct
2) and that Letitia James campaigned on prosecuting Trump to get elected
3) and that Alvin Bragg elevated misdemeanors to felony charges for a victimless crime….I'd like to hear solid, reasoned arguments as to why it's fake lawfare.

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Why is Trump posting Q stuff from July 14, 2019?
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Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

Civilized said:

FlossyDFlynt said:

hokiewolf said:

Here's what I'll say about AOC, and it's the same with Obama and with Harris. I wouldn't underestimate her at the moment (and this isn't me cheerleading for her) but much like the other two, she comes from a district that is heavily democratic so she has a lot to learn.

Obama was able to do to, Harris either wasn't or her hubris got in the way. Time will tell which way AOC can go, but it's too early still to think she's not going to learn and adjust.

Obama is a much more polished and intelligent politician than both AOC and Kamala combined. AOC reportedly spent months preparing for Munich only to vomit a bunch of word salad all over herself. If she has any hope whatsoever for the White House, itll have to wait until 2032. She may be one day, but she is not even close to ready for the big stage yet.

Kamala tried something similar last week with her rebrand/launch/whatever you want to call it with predictable results.

Right now, Id say Gavin is in the drivers seat. Which...sure I guess. He will get obliterated on the national stage, but I honestly dont know who else could possibly through their hat in from the Dems at this point.


We can dispense with acting like presidents get elected for reasons other than vibes, until noted otherwise.

Trump would get up on stage, babbling about eating cats and dogs in Springfield and not making a bit of sense about much else, and got elected because of hopes and dreams about what he could do with immigration and the economy, and people being pissed they felt like Biden's mental decline was hidden from the public (at the end, it definitely was).

Obama is a multi-generational orator, smart as ****, and savvy as hell so yeah...AOC and Kamala aren't in his league because he was a GOAT in front of a microphone.

Kamala has zero shot in 28.

AOC is a high ceiling/low floor candidate. She's really bright, with a true populist appeal. She absolutely nails the right vibe for fighting for the working class and she's very savvy. But, unless she shifts towards the center some, she's too far left.

I'd be curious for you to post her "word salad"; what I heard from her in Munich was cogent but obviously it may have been her best clip I was seeing. And again, "word salad" compared to who? Trump can't string more than two short sentences together without getting completely off-subject or lapsing into total nonsense. AOC would absolutely destroy Trump in a moderated debate.

Why do you think Newsom would get "obliterated" on a national stage? His electability is quite debatable due to governing maybe the most liberal state in the country, but he comports himself just fine in front of a mic.

Like Smapty said, there's nothing Newsom or any candidate has done or embodies, that Trump doesn't next-level. There's not a candidate in the field that couldn't talk circles around him, or be more organized, rational, kind, compassionate, serious, professional, respectful...

Putting Trump in office for a second time given all his failings has put Pubs in a bad spot. There's not a thing they can complain about, about literally anyone else's qualifications, humility, behavior, professionalism, maturity, or any other professional or personal trait that doesn't make them look like a giant hypocrite given the guy they put in office based on nothing but vibes.




I agree about vibes to an extent, but theres gotta be some substance behind it for it to actually work. See Harris, Kamala

I get the appeal of AOC, but Im putting her squarely into the Kamala category until she proves otherwise. Of the two, she has infinitely more potential, although I dont currently see it.

As far as Newsom goes, its his record as governor of California that makes him unelectable. Hes been governor of California since 2019, so what exactly can he hang his hat on during that time? What are his clear cut victories as governor of California? The mass exodus of people/businesses from the state? The recovery of the Palisades fires? His handling of COVID? I think he will run into the same problems as Harris did as VP when hes asked to defend his record as governor. Hes currently trying to be the Dem version of Trump, except hes terrible at it. Its a perfect example of dont play your opponents game. They will drag you to their level and bludgeon you to death with experience.


Trump is all vibes, man. None of us would hire him to run a 100-man company, much less a 340-million-man company. But politics is different. It's not about executive functioning; it's all vibes and culture wars now, evidently.

Kamala is an attorney and was elected AG and Senator. On paper she's way more than 'qualified'. And Harris sounded infinitely more sane and intelligent than Trump did in the debates. But America was over the Dems, and she crazily supported and wouldn't recant support for government-paid illegal immigrant trans sex changes in prison, so here we are.

Again, what standard are we holding people to? Sentence construction when speaking? Making good sense when speaking off the cuff? Being rational? Being humanist? Assembling a great staff? Passing legislation? No, we don't care about any of this stuff right now. Because if we did, Pubs wouldn't be held hostage by Trump, and Trump wouldn't be President right now.

Newsom's association to perhaps the most liberal state in the country is clearly the huge red flag for making him the guy. That could be a huge problem.

But getting elected is definitely not about needing to 'hang your hat' on anything. What did Trump and Vance 'hang their hat' on? What had they done that got them elected in 24?

It's all about audience capture, and just getting people to believe your agenda aligns with stuff they like to hear, and that you're capable of doing what they want you to do.



Trump had a full first term as President to run on. Say what you will about it, but the country took one look at the Biden administration and resoundingly said "yea, well go back to the other guy".

On what planet does Kamala come across as intelligent? She may be a good lawyer and may be book smart, but there any time she gets in front of a camera, she doesnt nothing but ramble and cackle.

Look, if the Democrats want to run Newsom because he yells on Twitter a lot, be my guest. Just dont be shocked when it doesnt work out.


And now, after having gone back to the other guy, the country already thinks Biden was better. Grass ain't always greener.

The proportion of Kamala's conversations that are fluid, lucid, and rational are much, much higher than Trump (or Biden). And she walked the dog with Trump in the debate. I'm not saying she's a Mensa member but I'm also not interested in whatever standard you have for her intelligence unless you apply it to everyone equally.

What accomplishments from Trump's first term were feathers in his cap? His biggest accomplishment of his first term was Warp Speed, and you didn't hear anything about that in the race.

Trump didn't run on his first term. He ran as the opposition candidate opposing inflation, immigration, and the woke left.

And it worked, and now a year in most of America regrets it. He was always a terrible candidate, which the country acknowledged after his first term, but then forgot or convinced themselves they didn't care as it came time to oppose the Dems and he was the Pub candidate that seemed most likley to win.


Trump is back in office because Biden intentionally left the border open for four years and let the progressive wing of his administration run the social/economic policies, most of which were hated by the general public.

If the 2028 Democratic plan is to counter that with either the progressive Governor of California or the DSA Bartender from New York...well it shows they have learned nothing from 2024
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Do you not understand that I don't care about Trump. You DO, I do not. I care about how the country operates economically and right now it's not efficient.

To pretend everything is working perfectly, as you seem to be pushing back on is a fallacy

Hokie, I don't check this board as much as I used to..

I think most people care about the country operating efficiently. I also don't think Trump is any less efficient than any President in the last 40 to 50 years. This monstrosity wasn't created since Trump took office in 2017. This monstrosity is the making of Republicans and Democrats. They both have gone full tilt on expanding government. None have a will to rein it in. They just don't.

So, some of those sensible Republicans you like have been part of the problem. Heck, Trump has been part of the problem and I support him. The Covid stimulus package, passed by both houses, by both parties, and signed into law, by Trump is now baked into the spending packages, in other places. How do I know this? Just look at spending as it hasn't gone down; rather, it continues to rise.

i really don't believe you when you say you care about the country's operating. If you did, you would be more outspoken about that; rather, more often than not, you speak about tariffs and the jones act. I ask you to put your money where your mouth is and start researching this inefficient country and enlighten us all on that.

That should be easy for you as the country in massive and probably needs help all over the place.
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Just another coincidence. ;-)

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The 3 blind mice have been fun to watch.
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Bringing a dozen F-22's to the party is like bringing 144 F-16's. I didn't think an F-22 had ever been defeated and Kenny here says one lost to a group of F-15's. Wondering what's the reason? ;-)

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Would be great to put some blind mice on the plane with em'. Make America Great Again, please!
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