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There's this little birdie I listen to fairly often and this little birdie sings a song about "a 10-20 mile strip of land on the Mexican side of the US's sourthern border that's going to be turned into some sort of a demilitarized zone. Guess the Mexicans are moving off our border by this distance. I think this birdie is associated with some US Generals under a President called Trump.

I think the Cartels are gonna get 'brushed back'........LOL.

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I listened to him just before the election and just after in a Rumble podcast. He was privy or actively engaged in catching them.
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My goodness, #Sieve. ;-)

#devolution, #Sieve. Remember what I've told you, my friend?

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For awhile, I've wondered why Trump keeps alienating Western Europe but now it makes sense. They don't deserve American forbearance.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-official-warns-americans-can-be-silenced-eu-online-speech-laws
CALS grad

“Regulars, by God!”
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lol
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Classic. One of the candidates for Democrat nominee for president. They truly have pathetic candidates in Kamala, Gavin, and the bartender.

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My goodness, #Sieve, oh my! ;-)
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IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?

I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…

I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.

In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…


Expert legal opinion is heavily on the side of this use of tariffs being illegal. All independent analysis of the arguments on both side will acknowledge the majority opinion is against. All lower courts have gone against Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11332?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Of course you support it. You believe in protectionism for some reasons and consume a media diet the validates your priors. Yes Biden's attempt at student loan forgiveness was also illegal and it was correct for the courts to shut it down. I'm glad they did.

I use ChatGPT as well and realize that it's not the most reliable source for information as it's a gathering place for mainstream media. That said, if the lower courts ruled anything that had meat, tariff's wouldn't be in place right now, right?

ChatGPT result

For Trump's broad, across-the-board "reciprocal / Liberation Day"-style tariffs, the main legal hook his administration has pointed to is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), arguing that the tariff program responds to a declared national emergency.

That said, not all Trump tariffs use the same law:

  • Steel/aluminum and many "national security" tariffs: typically justified under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.
  • Country-specific retaliation for "unfair trade practices": often run through Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 (and sometimes other trade statutes).
I support tariff's because it's been one-sided for too long. Heck, we built the China land development via free trade. A communist country that has only one mindset. World dominance at the expense of anyone in the way.

I support tariffs as the free trade mentality has decimated industries in the US. I believe we need a vibrant industrial base.

I support tariffs as a tool to get countries to be more responsible for certain actions, like: illegal crossings at our border, drugs, child trafficking through our country.

Now, until otherwise ruled, the Trump admin is using certain laws (examples above) that allow the executive branch to use them for certain purposes. The Supreme Court, if it takes this up, will rule based on his usage to the law he's stating that gives the power. We will see, right?

One last thing… you know the Trump Admin placed significant tariffs (40% on products my company bought) on China during his first term. I don't think they were ratified via legislation. If true, where was all this vitriol back then?

Edit: go read the article posted by Oldsouljer and you will see another reason to tariff certain countries that don't hold our values. In fact, any free trade agreement should be torn up with those countries. Where would China fit in on that one?
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Originator of the Tony Adams Scale
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We've been occupied by several groups including the CCP and the Central Banker Brits. My guess is they've been fighting over us like dogs and a piece of meat.
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caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?

I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…

I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.

In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…


Expert legal opinion is heavily on the side of this use of tariffs being illegal. All independent analysis of the arguments on both side will acknowledge the majority opinion is against. All lower courts have gone against Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11332?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Of course you support it. You believe in protectionism for some reasons and consume a media diet the validates your priors. Yes Biden's attempt at student loan forgiveness was also illegal and it was correct for the courts to shut it down. I'm glad they did.

I use ChatGPT as well and realize that it's not the most reliable source for information as it's a gathering place for mainstream media. That said, if the lower courts ruled anything that had meat, tariff's wouldn't be in place right now, right?

ChatGPT result

For Trump's broad, across-the-board "reciprocal / Liberation Day"-style tariffs, the main legal hook his administration has pointed to is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), arguing that the tariff program responds to a declared national emergency.

That said, not all Trump tariffs use the same law:

  • Steel/aluminum and many "national security" tariffs: typically justified under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.
  • Country-specific retaliation for "unfair trade practices": often run through Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 (and sometimes other trade statutes).
I support tariff's because it's been one-sided for too long. Heck, we built the China land development via free trade. A communist country that has only one mindset. World dominance at the expense of anyone in the way.

I support tariffs as the free trade mentality has decimated industries in the US. I believe we need a vibrant industrial base.

I support tariffs as a tool to get countries to be more responsible for certain actions, like: illegal crossings at our border, drugs, child trafficking through our country.

Now, until otherwise ruled, the Trump admin is using certain laws (examples above) that allow the executive branch to use them for certain purposes. The Supreme Court, if it takes this up, will rule based on his usage to the law he's stating that gives the power. We will see, right?

One last thing… you know the Trump Admin placed significant tariffs (40% on products my company bought) on China during his first term. I don't think they were ratified via legislation. If true, where was all this vitriol back then?

Edit: go read the article posted by Oldsouljer and you will see another reason to tariff certain countries that don't hold our values. In fact, any free trade agreement should be torn up with those countries. Where would China fit in on that one?


Good morning!

You want a particular end - more equitable trade outcomes. Fair.

But when all the research from the last year points (exactly as predicted) to 90% - 95% of tariff costs being borne by American consumers, why do you continue thinking that tariffs are the best way to achieve the outcome you're gunning for?

Even if you take the most gracious position that tariffs are not the end - that actually more favorable trade agreements are - why doesn't it give you pause that the number of new trade agreements signed has been a tiny fraction of those promised (remember "90 agreements in 90 days"? - we've signed like five final deals and have some other looser deals with another dozen or whatever).

AND none of those deals were supremely favorable to the US, sufficiently so to justify the chaos and economic underperformance of our economy over the last year?

Finally, you simply can't ignore the totally arbitrary and capricious levying of tariffs on countries that piss Trump off, and aren't tethered in any way to the underlying economic realities. His totally open expression of the motivation for these types of punitive tariffs will likely ultimately be their legal undoing.

Long story short, tariffs aren't an efficient or effective way of getting into better trade deals, and they're actively damaging consumer confidence, business investment in the US, and the broader economy.

They're illegal, and practically speaking the juice clearly isn't worth the squeeze.
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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.


Good morning!


Respectfully, I stopped reading at January 6…I understand that's your birthday, Christmas and 4th of July but I'm tired of hearing. It's like the boy who cried wolf. J6 is no different from the countless "mostly peaceful" protests we have seen from the left over the last TEN years.

Just like the race bait, find something else to celebrate because it doesn't work anymore.
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Civilized said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

IseWolf22 said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

hokiewolf said:

From the world wide webs:

The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)

So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.

Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.

Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.

For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.

yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.

Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.


These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.

No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons

Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?


I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.

Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?

I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…

I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.

In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…


Expert legal opinion is heavily on the side of this use of tariffs being illegal. All independent analysis of the arguments on both side will acknowledge the majority opinion is against. All lower courts have gone against Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11332?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Of course you support it. You believe in protectionism for some reasons and consume a media diet the validates your priors. Yes Biden's attempt at student loan forgiveness was also illegal and it was correct for the courts to shut it down. I'm glad they did.

I use ChatGPT as well and realize that it's not the most reliable source for information as it's a gathering place for mainstream media. That said, if the lower courts ruled anything that had meat, tariff's wouldn't be in place right now, right?

ChatGPT result

For Trump's broad, across-the-board "reciprocal / Liberation Day"-style tariffs, the main legal hook his administration has pointed to is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), arguing that the tariff program responds to a declared national emergency.

That said, not all Trump tariffs use the same law:

  • Steel/aluminum and many "national security" tariffs: typically justified under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.
  • Country-specific retaliation for "unfair trade practices": often run through Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 (and sometimes other trade statutes).
I support tariff's because it's been one-sided for too long. Heck, we built the China land development via free trade. A communist country that has only one mindset. World dominance at the expense of anyone in the way.

I support tariffs as the free trade mentality has decimated industries in the US. I believe we need a vibrant industrial base.

I support tariffs as a tool to get countries to be more responsible for certain actions, like: illegal crossings at our border, drugs, child trafficking through our country.

Now, until otherwise ruled, the Trump admin is using certain laws (examples above) that allow the executive branch to use them for certain purposes. The Supreme Court, if it takes this up, will rule based on his usage to the law he's stating that gives the power. We will see, right?

One last thing… you know the Trump Admin placed significant tariffs (40% on products my company bought) on China during his first term. I don't think they were ratified via legislation. If true, where was all this vitriol back then?

Edit: go read the article posted by Oldsouljer and you will see another reason to tariff certain countries that don't hold our values. In fact, any free trade agreement should be torn up with those countries. Where would China fit in on that one?


Good morning!

You want a particular end - more equitable trade outcomes. Fair.

But when all the research from the last year points (exactly as predicted) to 90% - 95% of tariff costs being borne by American consumers, why do you continue thinking that tariffs are the best way to achieve the outcome you're gunning for?

Even if you take the most gracious position that tariffs are not the end - that actually more favorable trade agreements are - why doesn't it give you pause that the number of new trade agreements signed has been a tiny fraction of those promised (remember "90 agreements in 90 days"? - we've signed like five final deals and have some other looser deals with another dozen or whatever).

AND none of those deals were supremely favorable to the US, sufficiently so to justify the chaos and economic underperformance of our economy over the last year?

Finally, you simply can't ignore the totally arbitrary and capricious levying of tariffs on countries that piss Trump off, and aren't tethered in any way to the underlying economic realities. His totally open expression of the motivation for these types of punitive tariffs will likely ultimately be their legal undoing.

Long story short, tariffs aren't an efficient or effective way of getting into better trade deals, and they're actively damaging consumer confidence, business investment in the US, and the broader economy.

They're illegal, and practically speaking the juice clearly isn't worth the squeeze.

Civ, fair trade is only a piece of the puzzle, that might do something for my real endgame position. That is, a larger manufacturing base in the US. So, as it's been accurately stated by some on here… that is going to take a long time to reverse the trend that started in the 70's, when Nixon went all in on China relations. Good or bad, from people's perspectives, the industrial base, in the US suffered mightily.

Regarding trade agreements, I'm currently very content with the agreement numbers we have. If our economic numbers change (even people's beloved CNN aren't ignoring the progress the economy is making) then Trump and team will be held accountable at the ballot box. In the meantime, I think they are executing their plan.

What you call arbitrary and capricious levying of tariffs, I call executing a strategy. Listen, we see this differently and I understand that. Perhaps you should try understanding that people have different views. You may not like them; however, realizing people see things differently is very mentally freeing.

Regarding their legality… isn't it your position on things that the courts will settle this? If so, you can certainly have your opinion; however, don't we have a system that actually is the arbiter?

your opinion: the juice isn't worth the squeeze

my opinion: what juice are they trying to get with the squeeze?

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Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.


Good morning!

Respectfully, I stopped reading at January 6…I understand that's your birthday, Christmas and 4th of July but I'm tired of hearing. It's like the boy who cried wolf. J6 is no different from the countless "mostly peaceful" protests we have seen from the left over the last TEN years.

Just like the race bait, find something else to celebrate because it doesn't work anymore.


I'm enjoying the pleasantries this morning, we need more of that in the Cooler.

I hear you regarding January 6, but when it happens, encouraged by the President, and then the President pardons all those responsible for the biggest and most violent demonstration against our government in 150 years , people aren't going to stop talking about it.

And it's unique because it was explicitly encouraged by the President, not for any broader cause, but because he was butthurt he lost the election, and because he was looking for ways to violently disrupt the constitutional transfer of power.

That was unprecedented. Comparing it to George Floyd or whatever is laughable given the little-d-democratic implications.

That hasn't happened in 250 years. It's now in the history books and very historically relevant. It's not going away.
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Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.


Good morning!

Respectfully, I stopped reading at January 6…I understand that's your birthday, Christmas and 4th of July but I'm tired of hearing. It's like the boy who cried wolf. J6 is no different from the countless "mostly peaceful" protests we have seen from the left over the last TEN years.

Just like the race bait, find something else to celebrate because it doesn't work anymore.


I'm enjoying the pleasantries this morning, we need more of that in the Cooler.

I hear you regarding January 6, but when it happens, encouraged by the President, and then the President pardons all those responsible for the biggest and most violent demonstration against our government in 150 years , people aren't going to stop talking about it.

And it's unique because it was explicitly encouraged by the President, not for any broader cause, but because he was butthurt he lost the election, and because he was looking for ways to violently disrupt the constitutional transfer of power.

That was unprecedented. Comparing it to George Floyd or whatever is laughable given the little-d-democratic implications.

That hasn't happened in 250 years. It's now in the history books and very historically relevant. It's not going away.

Civ, the pleasantries will fall apart when you say things like… "encouraged by the President"

I hope you realize that's your opinion and stating it as fact, put people who see it differently on the defense. Perhaps you should add the qualifier of "it's my opinion".

Also, recognize that other people do see January 6th no differently than George Floyd peaceful protest (the peaceful protest part was used as it was projected as such).

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caryking said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.


Good morning!

Respectfully, I stopped reading at January 6…I understand that's your birthday, Christmas and 4th of July but I'm tired of hearing. It's like the boy who cried wolf. J6 is no different from the countless "mostly peaceful" protests we have seen from the left over the last TEN years.

Just like the race bait, find something else to celebrate because it doesn't work anymore.


I'm enjoying the pleasantries this morning, we need more of that in the Cooler.

I hear you regarding January 6, but when it happens, encouraged by the President, and then the President pardons all those responsible for the biggest and most violent demonstration against our government in 150 years , people aren't going to stop talking about it.

And it's unique because it was explicitly encouraged by the President, not for any broader cause, but because he was butthurt he lost the election, and because he was looking for ways to violently disrupt the constitutional transfer of power.

That was unprecedented. Comparing it to George Floyd or whatever is laughable given the little-d-democratic implications.

That hasn't happened in 250 years. It's now in the history books and very historically relevant. It's not going away.

Civ, the pleasantries will fall apart when you say things like… "encouraged by the President"

I hope you realize that's your opinion and stating it as fact, put people who see it differently on the defense. Perhaps you should add the qualifier of "it's my opinion".

Also, recognize that other people do see January 6th no differently than George Floyd peaceful protest (the peaceful protest part was used as it was projected as such).




What does that have to do with pleasantries? We can't pleasantly disagree?

I'm not going to preface everything I say on here with "my opinion is that..." That's silly and obvious. Cordial tone and good-faith conversation is the litmus test for pleasantness, not prefacing everything with qualifiers about it being opinion.

The morning of the riots, Trump was using his normal combative language telling people to come and "fight like hell," and other similar statements.

He also had the opportunity to calm the crowd for several hours while they rioted, and he chose not to, which was a clear implicit signal he didn't mind them rioting in support of him.

But regardless, there's no good reason to feel defensive because someone else has a different opinion than us. We're all entitled to our opinions and often just land in different places.
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Evil has been at the helm of the American ship for a long time. It's time for an awakening of the Great American sovereign, and to take our republic back from these heathen scumbags who have pilfered and exploited and raped are people.


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Happy Valentine's Day!

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Civilized said:

caryking said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

Civilized said:

Gulfstream4 said:

packgrad said:

Yep.






The old school democrats are aging out and they are being replaced with radicals brainwashed from an early age.

These radicals are hatful and violent.

Moreso than the millions of righty radicals that gobble up Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens' hateful loonery, or nah?


There is no way you can compare the behavior of the left vs. the right.

Civ, I would consider you to be one of the old school. We don't agree on much but we can have a conversation. You think I could ever talk with Smapty? He's probably 20 years younger than you and his type is replacing your type.


Sure there is. Look no further than the preponderance of political violence perpetrated by the extreme right in recent decades, or January 6, or the totally boorish and often illegal behavior of our actual current Republican leaders to see the right has more than their share of bad behavior. A clear-eyed assessment would recognize all that, and also that there has been an uptick in violence from the far left in the last few years.

You're just more focused on the left's poor behavior than the right's, and all of our news algorithms when we're scrolling confirm our prior biases unless we really seek out more centrist or contrarian viewpoints.


Good morning!

Respectfully, I stopped reading at January 6…I understand that's your birthday, Christmas and 4th of July but I'm tired of hearing. It's like the boy who cried wolf. J6 is no different from the countless "mostly peaceful" protests we have seen from the left over the last TEN years.

Just like the race bait, find something else to celebrate because it doesn't work anymore.


I'm enjoying the pleasantries this morning, we need more of that in the Cooler.

I hear you regarding January 6, but when it happens, encouraged by the President, and then the President pardons all those responsible for the biggest and most violent demonstration against our government in 150 years , people aren't going to stop talking about it.

And it's unique because it was explicitly encouraged by the President, not for any broader cause, but because he was butthurt he lost the election, and because he was looking for ways to violently disrupt the constitutional transfer of power.

That was unprecedented. Comparing it to George Floyd or whatever is laughable given the little-d-democratic implications.

That hasn't happened in 250 years. It's now in the history books and very historically relevant. It's not going away.

Civ, the pleasantries will fall apart when you say things like… "encouraged by the President"

I hope you realize that's your opinion and stating it as fact, put people who see it differently on the defense. Perhaps you should add the qualifier of "it's my opinion".

Also, recognize that other people do see January 6th no differently than George Floyd peaceful protest (the peaceful protest part was used as it was projected as such).




What does that have to do with pleasantries? We can't pleasantly disagree?

I'm not going to preface everything I say on here with "my opinion is that..." That's silly and obvious. Cordial tone and good-faith conversation is the litmus test for pleasantness, not prefacing everything with qualifiers about it being opinion.

The morning of the riots, Trump was using his normal combative language telling people to come and "fight like hell," and other similar statements.

He also had the opportunity to calm the crowd for several hours while they rioted, and he chose not to, which was a clear implicit signal he didn't mind them rioting in support of him.

But regardless, there's no good reason to feel defensive because someone else has a different opinion than us. We're all entitled to our opinions and often just land in different places.

Civ, I consider you as a person with some intelligence. The inability (it appears to me) to recognize my point calls that into question. So, I'll try your version for a moment…

The George Floyd riots were explicitly encouraged by most, if not all, Democrats, including the supporters, like some on this very forum. Those horrific riots will go downs in history as one of the most heinous acts this country has ever witnessed. The Democratic so-called, Presidentially encouraged January 6th riot, pales in comparison to the George Floyd massive and unprecedented riots.

As we look in history at the Gorge Floyd riots, we haven't seen this in 250 years. Those riots will be forevermore relevant!! God save this country from the fascist left!!
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The 3 blind mice will defend themselves until hell freezes over. Their politicians are in up to their eyeballs in this evil.

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Be pleasant while Dems lie. Typical Dem substance.
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Using Civ's logic. Civ encourages violence on police. Civ encourages violence on ICE. Civ supports terrorists. All of that "pleasantly" stated, of course.
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packgrad said:

Be pleasant while Dems lie. Typical Dem substance.

and cheat.
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"I lost by 950 votes in 2022… then won by 15,000 out of 7 million in 2024.
When races are THAT close, election integrity isn't optional, it's MANDATORY!"

What this means is that he actually won in 2022 by 1/2 million and then he won in 2024 by 4 million. 2024 was too big to rig.......Trump has told us numerous times.
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The Democrats have no solutions. Only obstruction and defying everything to Get Trump!!! Pleasantly stated, of course.

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SmaptyWolf said:

Happy Valentine's Day!



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She doesn't care what her constituents think. Cheating is what #Sieve, #Dave and #Nappy believe in.
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I joined in and called her office along with tens of thousands of others, I'm sure. She has now flipped; it can make a difference.
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The fleecing of America. Trump will flush it down the toilet. Tricky proposition as it must be done without destabilizing the country to failure.
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Can't overstate what an excellent speech Rubio gave in Munich. I know Dave and civ will get their programming and cry about xenophobia and populism, but he delivered an excellent speech. It's good having serious leadership again. Also, an incredible contrast between him and AOC. Alphas and betas.

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    Who's mother is going to turn up missing next for new distraction? Savannah Guthrie's distraction is not gonna carry much longer. Who did her husband work for? What did her husband do for the Clintons?
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