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From the world wide webs:
The following agreements were negotiated and took effect (or were renegotiated) within the last ~25 years:
1. AustraliaUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2005)
2. BahrainUnited States FTA signed 2005 (effective 2006)
3. Dominican RepublicCentral AmericaU.S. FTA (CAFTA-DR) signed 2004 (effective 2006) with Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic
4. ChileUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
5. ColombiaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2012)
6. JordanUnited States FTA signed 2000 (effective December 2001) (on the edge of the 25-year window but typically counted here)
7. MoroccoUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2009)
8. OmanUnited States FTA signed 2004 (effective 2006)
9. PanamaUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2007 (effective 2012)
10. PeruUnited States Trade Promotion Agreement signed 2006 (effective 2009)
11. SingaporeUnited States FTA signed 2003 (effective 2004)
12. United StatesKorea Free Trade Agreement (KORUS) signed 2007 (effective 2012)
13. United StatesMexicoCanada Agreement (USMCA) renegotiated and signed 2018 (effective 2020), replacing NAFTA (originally 1994)
So ~13 FTAs have been put into force by the United States over the past 25 years. These cover trade liberalization with about 20 partner countries in total.
Now, go read each one of those FTA's details and the actual execution and find out of these FTA's were truly what you think are FTA's.
Actually, define, in your belief what a FTA actually is, then research the actual FTA's you posted.
For me, FTA means unfettered free trade including business access for companies.
yeah, I'm not going to complete a book report for you. I answered your question. There are countries that dropped their tariffs to 0 and Trump still tariffs them.
Actually, you answered my question from an uninformed position. Trade is not only about what you think it is. Trade also includes business activity within a country. Foreign companies have had unfettered access into the US forever. The same can't always be said for US companies.
These are all deals we made and they were mutually beneficial. The USMCA was literally negotiated by Trump. We've tariffed counties that we have a trade surplus with. We insist on tariffs for countries volunteering to drop theirs.. we put tariffs on an uninhabited island full of penguins.
No one in this administration is actually arguing this is a stick to get to mutual free trade. It's been used illegally as leverage for a whole host of other reasons
Curious, where did you get your Law Degree? Which court do you currently sit on to provide your judgement?
I can cite numerous lawyers who would argue this is an illegal use of tariff power. It's with the Supreme Court so obviously plenty of legal experts agree with me.
Trump is citing emergency powers. What emergency is caused by the Swiss president taking a tone he did not like? What emergency caused him to rip up his own free trade agreement? What emergency requires us to tariff penguins?
I'm sure you can. Guess what, so can I…
I'm not the one sitting here saying they are illegal. You are! My position is very simple…. Presidents enact a number of EO's that may or may not be within their purview. Like Civ always says, the courts will decide this.
In the meantime, I support these actions 100%. If they get overruled, then try something different. Heck, if it were Biden he would go back to the well with the same illegal act. Remember student loan forgiveness. Didn't a court rule on that; yet, he did it again…
Expert legal opinion is heavily on the side of this use of tariffs being illegal. All independent analysis of the arguments on both side will acknowledge the majority opinion is against. All lower courts have gone against Trump.
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11332?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Of course you support it. You believe in protectionism for some reasons and consume a media diet the validates your priors. Yes Biden's attempt at student loan forgiveness was also illegal and it was correct for the courts to shut it down. I'm glad they did.
I use ChatGPT as well and realize that it's not the most reliable source for information as it's a gathering place for mainstream media. That said, if the lower courts ruled anything that had meat, tariff's wouldn't be in place right now, right?
ChatGPT result
For Trump's broad, across-the-board "reciprocal / Liberation Day"-style tariffs, the main legal hook his administration has pointed to is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), arguing that the tariff program responds to a declared national emergency.
That said, not all Trump tariffs use the same law:
- Steel/aluminum and many "national security" tariffs: typically justified under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.
- Country-specific retaliation for "unfair trade practices": often run through Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 (and sometimes other trade statutes).
I support tariff's because it's been one-sided for too long. Heck, we built the China land development via free trade. A communist country that has only one mindset. World dominance at the expense of anyone in the way.
I support tariffs as the free trade mentality has decimated industries in the US. I believe we need a vibrant industrial base.
I support tariffs as a tool to get countries to be more responsible for certain actions, like: illegal crossings at our border, drugs, child trafficking through our country.
Now, until otherwise ruled, the Trump admin is using certain laws (examples above) that allow the executive branch to use them for certain purposes. The Supreme Court, if it takes this up, will rule based on his usage to the law he's stating that gives the power. We will see, right?
One last thing… you know the Trump Admin placed significant tariffs (40% on products my company bought) on China during his first term. I don't think they were ratified via legislation. If true, where was all this vitriol back then?
Edit: go read the article posted by Oldsouljer and you will see another reason to tariff certain countries that don't hold our values. In fact, any free trade agreement should be torn up with those countries. Where would China fit in on that one?