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I don't know who has their concealed carry; however, I do. All I can say is… the training I receive would have never had me in that situation if I was carrying, at the time.

Having your concealed carry puts a whole different level of accountability in your hands.

Now, once again, another life is lost. It's just sad! If you look at this from a simple, non-nuanced perspective, we have the following:

• The Admin is enforcing immigration laws
• The Admin is sending federal agencies in to remove the illegal immigrants
• The federal agencies are met with protesting
• The protesting appears to be getting aggressive
• The federal agencies need local support to manage the protesting
• The local and state leadership, at this point, aren't showing any support of federal law and the agencies enforcing the law
• Now, things are spiraling out of control.

Now, the irony of all this is that the protestors are creating an autonomous zone; whereas, people aren't allowed in without checks. We are truly living in an upside-down world!

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What about the accountability of the ICE agents? Or the administration?

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#Gobbler, you're not part of the Republican Party its clear to see.

BREAKING 🚨 House just PASSED a DHS Funding Bill which includes $10 BILLION for ICE. HUGE 🔥

ICE isn’t slowing down… IT IS RAMPING UP

I VOTED FOR THIS pic.twitter.com/UD7GGuzZIE

— MAGA Voice (@MAGAVoice) January 22, 2026

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🚨 BREAKING: Elon Musk just posted that the DOJ is suing Virginia for having a voter registration DUPLICATION rate of 33% in 2024...nearly TRIPLE the national rate!

The fraud is un-freaking-believable. Wow. pic.twitter.com/NVVyIjeMrP

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) January 25, 2026

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#Gobbler, do you think its supernatural? Wonder what a #matrix is?

What Trump and his team is doing in Davos is fundamental in draining the swamp. God guides him in this spiritual warfare against demons unleashed by Democrats. He's battling the 13 Luciferian families ruling the world. Matrix-trapped folks can't see it, but nothing can stop… pic.twitter.com/ttdzXnOJRS

— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) January 23, 2026

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supernatural, no? Embarrassing? 8/10

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You never cease to amaze me, LOL.

Do you still love your President?

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

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The guy you voted for took a bad situation and made it 5-10 million times worse in just four years.

Now someone else must clean it up and you don't like it?

I'm tired of hearing it.

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The illegal immigrant population was around 11 million during Trump's first term, and is now around 14 million. And fun fact, the number started spiking up during Trump's last year in office! The pandemic (which legally allowed closed borders) created a huge labor shortage, and outside of cracking down on employers it's unlikely anything could have prevented the illegal population spike to fill the demand.

So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted. Sure, he could have done some things sooner that might have helped a little. But mostly this is just a bunch of political bulls**t, since this is the issue that animates you guys the most.

Anyway, here's an idea! Since governors and even local police in blue states don't like what ICE is currently doing, how about Trump just do "normal" immigration enforcement in those places like has been effectively done for ages, and save the "roving bands of masked thugs" crap for red states who are excited about irradicating their immigrant populations?

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

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The guy you voted for took a bad situation and made it 5-10 million times worse in just four years.

Now someone else must clean it up and you don't like it?

I'm tired of hearing it.

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The illegal immigrant population was around 11 million during Trump's first term, and is now around 14 million. And fun fact, the number started spiking up during Trump's last year in office! The pandemic (which legally allowed closed borders) created a huge labor shortage, and outside of cracking down on employers it's unlikely anything could have prevented the illegal population spike to fill the demand.

So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted. Sure, he could have done some things sooner that might have helped a little. But mostly this is just a bunch of political bulls**t, since this is the issue that animates you guys the most.

Anyway, here's an idea! Since governors and even local police in blue states don't like what ICE is currently doing, how about Trump just do "normal" immigration enforcement in those places like has been effectively done for ages, and save the "roving bands of masked thugs" crap for red states who are excited about irradicating their immigrant populations?

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Haha hahahaha hahaha

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Civilized said:

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Really he should have just stayed in bed yesterday morning.

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caryking said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

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The guy you voted for took a bad situation and made it 5-10 million times worse in just four years.

Now someone else must clean it up and you don't like it?

I'm tired of hearing it.

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The illegal immigrant population was around 11 million during Trump's first term, and is now around 14 million. And fun fact, the number started spiking up during Trump's last year in office! The pandemic (which legally allowed closed borders) created a huge labor shortage, and outside of cracking down on employers it's unlikely anything could have prevented the illegal population spike to fill the demand.

So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted. Sure, he could have done some things sooner that might have helped a little. But mostly this is just a bunch of political bulls**t, since this is the issue that animates you guys the most.

Anyway, here's an idea! Since governors and even local police in blue states don't like what ICE is currently doing, how about Trump just do "normal" immigration enforcement in those places like has been effectively done for ages, and save the "roving bands of masked thugs" crap for red states who are excited about irradicating their immigrant populations?

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Haha hahahaha hahaha

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Civ's post is the ignorance I'm talking about. Ok, if anyone doesn't want to call it ignorance, fine. Then, we can call it the different world views!

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Gulfstream4 said:

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caryking said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

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The guy you voted for took a bad situation and made it 5-10 million times worse in just four years.

Now someone else must clean it up and you don't like it?

I'm tired of hearing it.

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The illegal immigrant population was around 11 million during Trump's first term, and is now around 14 million. And fun fact, the number started spiking up during Trump's last year in office! The pandemic (which legally allowed closed borders) created a huge labor shortage, and outside of cracking down on employers it's unlikely anything could have prevented the illegal population spike to fill the demand.

So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted. Sure, he could have done some things sooner that might have helped a little. But mostly this is just a bunch of political bulls**t, since this is the issue that animates you guys the most.

Anyway, here's an idea! Since governors and even local police in blue states don't like what ICE is currently doing, how about Trump just do "normal" immigration enforcement in those places like has been effectively done for ages, and save the "roving bands of masked thugs" crap for red states who are excited about irradicating their immigrant populations?

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Haha hahahaha hahaha

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Civ's post is the ignorance I'm talking about. Ok, if anyone doesn't want to call it ignorance, fine. Then, we can call it the different world views!

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Civ is at least a smart guy and well articulated. Smapty is just a far left loon. No wonder he and family are on medication.

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.

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All of that is your opinion but I do admire your commitment to it.

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Play out a hypothetical with me.

Good faith, honest question.

Say recent polling holds, and the midterms are fairly brutal for Pubs.

What will the trailing takeaways be for Pubs?

Where would that electoral pressure lead the party?

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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packgrad said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

---

I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

---

Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

---

The guy you voted for took a bad situation and made it 5-10 million times worse in just four years.

Now someone else must clean it up and you don't like it?

I'm tired of hearing it.

---

The illegal immigrant population was around 11 million during Trump's first term, and is now around 14 million. And fun fact, the number started spiking up during Trump's last year in office! The pandemic (which legally allowed closed borders) created a huge labor shortage, and outside of cracking down on employers it's unlikely anything could have prevented the illegal population spike to fill the demand.

So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted. Sure, he could have done some things sooner that might have helped a little. But mostly this is just a bunch of political bulls**t, since this is the issue that animates you guys the most.

Anyway, here's an idea! Since governors and even local police in blue states don't like what ICE is currently doing, how about Trump just do "normal" immigration enforcement in those places like has been effectively done for ages, and save the "roving bands of masked thugs" crap for red states who are excited about irradicating their immigrant populations?

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Haha hahahaha hahaha

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That dude takes every post as a challenge to show how deranged and brainwashed he is. Absolute lunacy.

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This comment is about as stupid as I've seen recently. This isn't ignorance, this is simple stupidity!

"So no, Biden didn't "fling the doors open". He did legally have to open the border once the emergency was lifted."

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Here, let me try to help. I'll type extra slowly.

During the pandemic we declared an emergency which made it legal to close the border to asylum seekers. So Trump did. After the pandemic YOU really wanted the pandemic emergency lifted. So Biden did. But that made it ILLEGAL to close the border to asylum seekers.

And guess what? Since our immigration laws haven't been fixed for decades it's very easy to abuse our asylum rules, which allows large floods of immigrants (which of course employers wanted after the pandemic, wink wink) that are hard to stop.

Get it?

That's not remotely the same as Biden saying "Hey everyone, we don't have a border any more! Come on in! YEEE HAAAAAW!", which is I'm sure what you guys believe. Because you're very deep thinkers.

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.

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All of that is your opinion but I do admire your commitment to it.

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Play out a hypothetical with me.

Good faith, honest question.

Say recent polling holds, and the midterms are fairly brutal for Pubs.

What will the trailing takeaways be for Pubs?

Where would that electoral pressure lead the party?

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The party in the WH has always struggled in the midterms. It doesn't mean Jack.

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🚨🚨 Here is the entire TRAINING MANUAL for domestic terrorist patrols chasing ICE agents in Minneapolis.

Keep in mind, this is the watered down opsec version.

MUST READ ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/rUMAJPOxUG

— Cam Higby 🇺🇸 (@camhigby) January 25, 2026

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#Gobbler, do you think its supernatural? Wonder what a #matrix is?

What Trump and his team is doing in Davos is fundamental in draining the swamp. God guides him in this spiritual warfare against demons unleashed by Democrats. He's battling the 13 Luciferian families ruling the world. Matrix-trapped folks can't see it, but nothing can stop… pic.twitter.com/ttdzXnOJRS

— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) January 23, 2026

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supernatural, no? Embarrassing? 8/10

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You never cease to amaze me, LOL.

Do you still love your President?

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I was referring to the lady in your post

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Hokie, no offense… the rhetorical posts you've made on this ICE subject are disappointing.

• What should be embarrassing to everyone here is the lack of respect of law enforcement executing their responsibility.
• What should be embarrassing are the number of agitators, on the street, sewing chaos.
• What should be embarrassing is a concealed carry person not acting in accordance to their training.
• What should be embarrassing are the number of people arguing the ignorance that they are espousing.

i don't know what to say about all this, other that the world is so screwed up, that it's sad. Now, I find a number of people posting here (you all know who I'm talking about) to be so ignorant! Folks, we have what we have! How far is this going to go?

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we will rue the day that we pissed away the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments Cary, and the way we have treated Citizens and folks here who tried to go through the process legally and have been deported on technicalities

If that's ignorant in you're eyes, than I'm fine with that.

I can count on my hand the number of people who post here who have shown not to sacrifice their principles because Trump is in charge

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"One day"…."you'll see"…"we will rue the day"….YOU WILL SEE…

Please, we haven't pissed away anything. We are cleaning up a giant mess created by Joe Biden and the people who voted him in office.

It's a messy process because of the sheer volume of ILLEGALS that must be accounted for, so yes some citizens are going to get caught up in the net. Just comply, show ID just like you do in many other situations in life and it will most likely work out? Man just think if local authorities in sanctuary cities would keep bad guys in jail how much easier this would be?

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Besides, the marxists that are the former Democratic Party really don't care about preservation of the 1st, 2nd, or 4th Amendments

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True. They have been trying to get rid of the 2nd amendment for decades and the only free speech they care for is speech they agree with.

….but they "care" now.

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What people are responding to isn't that they're all of a sudden huge 2A supporters.

It's that the Administration is yet again lying about the constitutional protections provided one of their ICE victims.

Is Kash not lying through his teeth here?

This is completely incorrect on Minnesota law.

There is no prohibition on a permit holder carrying a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines at a protest or rally in Minnesota. https://t.co/m2EHW2zFEa

— MN Gun Owners Caucus (@mnguncaucus) January 25, 2026

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.

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All of that is your opinion but I do admire your commitment to it.

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Play out a hypothetical with me.

Good faith, honest question.

Say recent polling holds, and the midterms are fairly brutal for Pubs.

What will the trailing takeaways be for Pubs?

Where would that electoral pressure lead the party?

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The party in the WH has always struggled in the midterms. It doesn't mean Jack.

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Hey, that's a huge step up from "OMG it's not possible for Dear Leader to lose! They stole the election AGAIN!!!" I'll take it!

Obviously there's no scenario where you MAGA cultists will ever be able to soul search about any of this. The good news is that the series finale of the Mad King is in 2028... he WON'T be on the ballot ever again. And I suspect the rest of these sleaze balls trying to be the new Trump will be pretty hard to watch.

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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#Gobbler, do you think its supernatural? Wonder what a #matrix is?

What Trump and his team is doing in Davos is fundamental in draining the swamp. God guides him in this spiritual warfare against demons unleashed by Democrats. He's battling the 13 Luciferian families ruling the world. Matrix-trapped folks can't see it, but nothing can stop… pic.twitter.com/ttdzXnOJRS

— ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể (@TheThe1776) January 23, 2026

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supernatural, no? Embarrassing? 8/10

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You never cease to amaze me, LOL.

Do you still love your President?

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I was referring to the lady in your post

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Hokie, no offense… the rhetorical posts you've made on this ICE subject are disappointing.

• What should be embarrassing to everyone here is the lack of respect of law enforcement executing their responsibility.
• What should be embarrassing are the number of agitators, on the street, sewing chaos.
• What should be embarrassing is a concealed carry person not acting in accordance to their training.
• What should be embarrassing are the number of people arguing the ignorance that they are espousing.

i don't know what to say about all this, other that the world is so screwed up, that it's sad. Now, I find a number of people posting here (you all know who I'm talking about) to be so ignorant! Folks, we have what we have! How far is this going to go?

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we will rue the day that we pissed away the 1st, 2nd and 4th Amendments Cary, and the way we have treated Citizens and folks here who tried to go through the process legally and have been deported on technicalities

If that's ignorant in you're eyes, than I'm fine with that.

I can count on my hand the number of people who post here who have shown not to sacrifice their principles because Trump is in charge

---

"One day"…."you'll see"…"we will rue the day"….YOU WILL SEE…

Please, we haven't pissed away anything. We are cleaning up a giant mess created by Joe Biden and the people who voted him in office.

It's a messy process because of the sheer volume of ILLEGALS that must be accounted for, so yes some citizens are going to get caught up in the net. Just comply, show ID just like you do in many other situations in life and it will most likely work out? Man just think if local authorities in sanctuary cities would keep bad guys in jail how much easier this would be?

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Besides, the marxists that are the former Democratic Party really don't care about preservation of the 1st, 2nd, or 4th Amendments

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True. They have been trying to get rid of the 2nd amendment for decades and the only free speech they care for is speech they agree with.

….but they "care" now.

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What people are responding to isn't that they're all of a sudden huge 2A supporters.

It's that the Administration is yet again lying about the constitutional protections provided one of their ICE victims.

Is Kash not lying through his teeth here?

This is completely incorrect on Minnesota law.

There is no prohibition on a permit holder carrying a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines at a protest or rally in Minnesota. https://t.co/m2EHW2zFEa

— MN Gun Owners Caucus (@mnguncaucus) January 25, 2026

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You can bring it but it my understanding (and I could be totally wrong) he did not have or at least show an ID that could verify he was legal to carry?

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In N.C., you have to have your permit and ID. You also need to immediately disclose to law enforcement if you have a firearm. You also cannot obstruct law enforcement. You also cannot obstruct lat enforcement while armed. You also cannot resist arrest. You also cannot resist arrest while armed.

Life lessons here.

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Tim Walz does NOT believe in law and order. 

No amount of propaganda from his allies in the liberal media will convince the American people otherwise.

Under the incompetent leadership of Tim Walz, Minnesota oversaw massive fraud schemes that resulted in tens of billions of… https://t.co/yA3nhduVVk

— Karoline Leavitt (@PressSec) January 25, 2026

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Karoline bringing the receipts.

Tim Walz does NOT believe in law and order. 

No amount of propaganda from his allies in the liberal media will convince the American people otherwise.

Under the incompetent leadership of Tim Walz, Minnesota oversaw massive fraud schemes that resulted in tens of billions of… https://t.co/yA3nhduVVk

— Karoline Leavitt (@PressSec) January 25, 2026

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Gulfstream4 said:

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.

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All of that is your opinion but I do admire your commitment to it.

---

Play out a hypothetical with me.

Good faith, honest question.

Say recent polling holds, and the midterms are fairly brutal for Pubs.

What will the trailing takeaways be for Pubs?

Where would that electoral pressure lead the party?

---

The party in the WH has always struggled in the midterms. It doesn't mean Jack.

---

Hey, that's a huge step up from "OMG it's not possible for Dear Leader to lose! They stole the election AGAIN!!!" I'll take it!

Obviously there's no scenario where you MAGA cultists will ever be able to soul search about any of this. The good news is that the series finale of the Mad King is in 2028... he WON'T be on the ballot ever again. And I suspect the rest of these sleaze balls trying to be the new Trump will be pretty hard to watch.

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2028? Your next President Vance will wipe the floor with such intellectuals as Newsom, AOC or Harris in a debate. You better hope it's CNN hosting the debate because that will be the only thing giving you a discount on the beat down.

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