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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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You can tell the people that don't know the rules for conceal carry.

Literal life lesson.

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I don't know the rules honestly, where did this guy go wrong?

This isn't a gotcha or anything. Your opinion sparked my interest because I've never done concealed carry classes.

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He didn't do anything wrong. He was a law abiding citizen who just happens to also be a gun owner. He was tackled, one agent disarmed him (but left his finger on the trigger), the agent who disarmed him accidentally fired the gun, and then the other agents unloaded their guns into him and before the body was even cold DHS was labeling him a domestic terrorist.

People who support the goals of ICE are just going to rationalize it however they need to keep from criticizing them.

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So you don't support the goals of ICE? Has that always been your position or just since a Republican became president?

You don't know the rules either. You certainly don't resist law enforcement when you're armed. Pretty common sense.

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I am a Republican. I just don't support masked men of the state disappearing people. I bet that's something you used to support too when we had a Democrat president.

They don't care about enforcing immigration law. That's is why they are in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida. They're deporting less people than Biden or Obama did, because they're just blanketedly targeting everyone brown with an accent on these fishing expeditions instead of following actual leads.

At the end of the day this is about two things, getting people used to seeing masked men with guns on the street, and punishing people who didn't vote for Trump in 24.

While we are talking about rules, the first rule of gun safety is don't put your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot. If that agent followed that rule, that man is still alive.

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Lol. A Republican that says ICE is in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida. And masked men disappearing people. Why do you people lie about your party affiliation?

Over 25% of ICE arrests are in Texas. Minnesota is less than 1%. Red states cooperate with ICE. Blue states like Minnesota do not.

You don't know the rules of concealed carry. Please don't pretend you know how to disarm a person resisting arrest.

I'm sorry you don't like the Trump administration enforcing the law and following through on his campaign promise. Sounds TOTALLY like something a republican would say. Or not.

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Maybe he's not, a lot of Dems infiltrating the GOP these days, for various reasons. It's one reason why I'm a conservative but estranged from the GOP for a lot of reasons. Medicaid and gambling expansion here in NC are but one reason why.

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Good point.
I just don't think a Republican says any of the below, much less all of it.
- "masked men of the state disappearing people"
- "They don't care about enforcing immigration law."
- "That's is why they are in Minnesota and not Texas and Florida."
- "they're just blanketedly targeting everyone brown with an accent on these fishing expeditions instead of following actual leads"
- "At the end of the day this is about two things, getting people used to seeing masked men with guns on the street, and punishing people who didn't vote for Trump in 24."

Every single point is leftist propaganda.

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Their mask hypocrisy is ridiculous, when their communist agitators and Covidocrats mask, it's fine. When they made us mask, it was also fine.

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I'm sorry for any loss of life no matter who is but….BUT, if the Mayor and the guy out smarted by third world criminals who some here thought would make a good VP would get local authorities to work with ICE, maybe some of these things would not happen? It's almost they WANT this chaos and unrest to distract from something else that is happening under their watch?

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What would local police have done with the guy ICE just murdered, exactly?

He was legally filming ICE, holding a cell phone when attacked, and legally carrying a firearm. The agents tackled and disarmed him before shooting him 9 or 10 times. And then predictably Noem and Bovino and Stephen Miller immediately start with the unfounded lies 5 seconds later about the VA nurse who was legally carrying and holding a cell phone trying to massacre cops.

It is astonishing how very out of bounds constitutionally and how out of touch with truth and reality this Administration is.

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Apparently, this individual crossed a line. So-called observers should know better than to approach an apprehension scene too closely. Openly brandishing a firearm within that zone is even more ignorant.

Being nearby and watching is legal
Filming or photographing is usually legal in public places
Getting so close that you distract, obstruct, or endanger officers (or others) is not

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Yeah man, the beatings and killings will continue until behavior improves.

He definitely FAFO.

He should not have been exercising his 1A or 2A rights or tried to help up a lady that had been pushed to the ground by ICE or within range of ICE service weapons if he didn't want to get shot 10 times. Really he should have just stayed in bed yesterday morning.

Case closed!

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That is an amazing interpretation of events. Kafka or Samuel Beckett likely both be inspired by your cogitative output.

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lol. Like usual the left accuses he right of what the left is doing. But Civ is too stupid to see it.

The only reason there is an issue in Minneapolis is because the governor, mayor, police, and local officials are not cooperating with Federal law enforcement. They are actually working as insurrectionist against enforcement of federal law. And civ is crying about amendments. That minion doesn't give a damn about violations of the constitution.

Oh and please let this hypocrite start crying about the 2nd amendment now too. Lol.

Clown show.

Edit to add... also notice how 5 seconds after the shooting that Walz, Frey, AOC, Omar, Stein, etc all called ICE agents "murderers" but the guy that lies about his political stance has no issue with that. Typical hypocrisy from lying civ.

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Oh man, great use of "insurrection" in a sentence. Y'all have been practicing that since Jan 6. Keep practicing, you'll use it correctly eventually!

Yeah man the only reason there are ICE issues is because, Democrat states. And Democrat mayors. And governors. And local police. And probably trannies. Rolling out poorly or inadequately trained mall cops with guns and self-selecting personalities and detainment quotas is definitely optimal strategy.

And I LOOOVE how you're rolling out the fraud BS already. Right on time.

Because Pubs' cratering prospects in 2026 couldn't possibly be about this Administration and Congress choosing the wrong adventure about literally every electoral issue of consequence!

Approval on immigration had been a comparative bright spot for Trump. But there has been a persistent decline over the past few months and today almost certainly makes that worse. He's losing the normies not just the libs. pic.twitter.com/2Igy2KuJRM

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 24, 2026

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The fraud has always been an issue. I get that you're too stupid to see that though. Keep blaming ICE for these issues and not your Dem leadership, hypocrite. ICE will continue to work, and betas like you that try to obstruct will feel the consequences. Life lessons will keep coming for the sheep. This is what they want.

This is the type of rhetoric that gets its supporters killed. They want more blood. https://t.co/wUODZwh8Tz

— Jay’V (@JayVTheGreat) January 25, 2026

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Not even you believe the fraud has "always been an issue." It's just quantitatively false no matter how many times Storm thinks he sees vote tallies changing on the Spectrum News ticker or how many times you and Trump say it.

You're all about consequences until the consequence is being run out of office on a rail.

This Administration and its water-carriers and acolytes and sheep got drunk on power and confused when after they got elected. You and they think you're still campaigning and can just make wild **** up and people will believe it and that will be enough.

You and they have totally forgotten that 70% of America isn't that stupid.

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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I am upset at the Federal Government because they are supposed to be the adults.

Until the tactics change, we're going to have more violence. It's up to the Administration to make changes. They seem uninterested to do that and place the blame first and foremost on the protesters and the state and local governments.

This quote applies to most of you

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"

George Orwell

You guys have lived this quote since Jan 6, 2020

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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Ignoring for a second that there were 12 million illegals in this country before Biden set foot in office, how does anything Biden did or didn't do necessitate this manner of ICE enforcement?

You keep acting like this method of enforcement is the only way it has been done or could be done.

It's literally never been done this way, and this way is not resulting in increased deportations or at least not sufficiently increased deportations relative to past Administrations to warrant the massive loss of trust it's engendering.

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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New Yorkers need their hands held firmly in place over , and closely to, the fire. #devolution

🚨 BREAKING: New Yorkers are LIVID after Mayor Zohran Mamdani announced ILLEGAL ALIENS will get UNIVERSAL taxpayer-funded child care.

“We are proud to be a sanctuary city… These programs are for ALL.”

FAFO. New York COOKED itself. They’re about to LEARN the hard way!

Should… pic.twitter.com/ZrPR4IMvwQ

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) January 23, 2026

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I enjoy seeing liberals get exactly what they voted for. Get ready to open your wallet, New Yorkers…enjoy!

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lol. Like usual the left accuses he right of what the left is doing. But Civ is too stupid to see it.

The only reason there is an issue in Minneapolis is because the governor, mayor, police, and local officials are not cooperating with Federal law enforcement. They are actually working as insurrectionist against enforcement of federal law. And civ is crying about amendments. That minion doesn't give a damn about violations of the constitution.

Oh and please let this hypocrite start crying about the 2nd amendment now too. Lol.

Clown show.

Edit to add... also notice how 5 seconds after the shooting that Walz, Frey, AOC, Omar, Stein, etc all called ICE agents "murderers" but the guy that lies about his political stance has no issue with that. Typical hypocrisy from lying civ.

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Oh man, great use of "insurrection" in a sentence. Y'all have been practicing that since Jan 6. Keep practicing, you'll use it correctly eventually!

Yeah man the only reason there are ICE issues is because, Democrat states. And Democrat mayors. And governors. And local police. And probably trannies. Rolling out poorly or inadequately trained mall cops with guns and self-selecting personalities and detainment quotas is definitely optimal strategy.

And I LOOOVE how you're rolling out the fraud BS already. Right on time.

Because Pubs' cratering prospects in 2026 couldn't possibly be about this Administration and Congress choosing the wrong adventure about literally every electoral issue of consequence!

Approval on immigration had been a comparative bright spot for Trump. But there has been a persistent decline over the past few months and today almost certainly makes that worse. He's losing the normies not just the libs. pic.twitter.com/2Igy2KuJRM

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) January 24, 2026

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The fraud has always been an issue. I get that you're too stupid to see that though. Keep blaming ICE for these issues and not your Dem leadership, hypocrite. ICE will continue to work, and betas like you that try to obstruct will feel the consequences. Life lessons will keep coming for the sheep. This is what they want.

This is the type of rhetoric that gets its supporters killed. They want more blood. https://t.co/wUODZwh8Tz

— Jay’V (@JayVTheGreat) January 25, 2026

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Not even you believe the fraud has "always been an issue." It's just quantitatively false no matter how many times Storm thinks he sees vote tallies changing on the Spectrum News ticker or how many times you and Trump say it.

You're all about consequences until the consequence is being run out of office on a rail.

This Administration and its water-carriers and acolytes and sheep got drunk on power and confused when after they got elected. You and they think you're still campaigning and can just make wild **** up and people will believe it and that will be enough.

You and they have totally forgotten that 70% of America isn't that stupid.

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Must be why they voted for Trump.

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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I am upset at the Federal Government because they are supposed to be the adults.

Until the tactics change, we're going to have more violence. It's up to the Administration to make changes. They seem uninterested to do that and place the blame first and foremost on the protesters and the state and local governments.

This quote applies to most of you

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"

George Orwell

You guys have lived this quote since Jan 6, 2020

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You are upset with the Federal Government because Trump.

You are not upset with Minnesota State Government because Trump.

Got it, thanks.

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im sure your unwavering support will be rewarded handsomely

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My whole question is if these guys are highly trained in de-escalation, why was none of that training applied here?

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Because we only see and hear about the de-escalation gone wrong not the 1000's of encounters where they went right.

Again, I'm sorry anyone had to die. But maybe the local authorities could help act as a "buffer" between protesters and ICE?

Even better would be if the local authorities would hold any of the violent illegals in jail where ICE could arrest them away from protesters instead of releasing them on the street where ICE must search for them and provide security or backup at the same time.

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exactly how would have local law enforcement helped in this situation? The aggressive behavior was done by the ice officers it appears on video. Maybe there's more context before folks started filming, and that's why it should be investigated.

But it seems to not concern you that what Noem said what happened and what is on the video are worlds apart. That concerns me.

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I said above local and State authorities could act as a buffer between the protesters and ICE. Is that really so outside the realm of possibility?

He said, she said. What Noem says is no different than what Walz says. Why are you upset at one and not the other?

The Biden Administration did this. They opened the border for four years allowing MILLIONS of illegals in. Now someone must clean up their mess.

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I am upset at the Federal Government because they are supposed to be the adults.

Until the tactics change, we're going to have more violence. It's up to the Administration to make changes. They seem uninterested to do that and place the blame first and foremost on the protesters and the state and local governments.

This quote applies to most of you

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"

George Orwell

You guys have lived this quote since Jan 6, 2020

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You are upset with the Federal Government because Trump.

You are not upset with Minnesota State Government because Trump.

Got it, thanks.

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im sure your unwavering support will be rewarded handsomely

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im sure your unwavering outrage will be rewarded handsomely

Cam Higby, an independent journalist has found a Signal Chat in Minneapolis in which they identify ICE agents and spread the word. This network is being used to dox ICE agents and their movements. People tied to Tim Walz are involved.

Here are two links to stories about it. I don't do social media, but someone else can link to his accounts on X and stuff.

https://twitchy.com/samj/2026/01/25/cam-hibgy-thread-minneapolis-signal-groups-n2424330

https://frontlineamerica.com/signal-chats-exposed-cam-higby-shatters-myth-that-ice-resistence-is-grassroots-activism/

LEAKED SIGNAL CHAT LINKS WALZ STAFFER AND DEM POLITICIANS TO ANTI-ICE PROTESTS

The private Signal group is used by Minneapolis protesters to coordinate anti-ICE actions, share marching orders, and reportedly dox ICE agents.

One of the leaders is Amanda Koehler, a protest organizer and former campaign strategist for Tim Walz.

Also named: local politician David Snyder, listed as an admin, and MN State Senate candidate Anita Smithson, listed as a "dispatcher."

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On the recent shooting. I have watched as many videos as I can find.

Here are some thoughts (pls read all, not just one point):

1) There is a reason I was critical of politicians who encouraged bystanders to confront ICE agents. I correctly predicted it would lead to dangerous… https://t.co/sxpTXmKUyL

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 24, 2026

Pretty much sums up my thoughts on yesterday pretty well. Much like the last incident, gonna let this one play out for a bit before making any conclusions.

Also, please get Noem off TV and no more press conferences for her. Not a single thing she did or said helps anything at this point.

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The only conclusion to be drawn is this Administration wants this. It's by design. Stephen Miller and Trump want the optics of militarized enforcement on the streets.

And like Corn said yesterday, for what? If you were responsible for crafting a strategy that better maximized the divisiveness-to- or unpopularity-to-effectiveness quotient, how would you realistically do it?

This "masked roaming goon squad harassing, beating, and shooting Americans and immigrants alike" is going to deport around the same number of illegals as past policies that had none of this ICE Reality TV Show vibe.

So yeah these enforcement tactics are wildly unpopular and no more effective than past normal ICE enforcement, but the bigger macro issues are both the trampling of the First and Fourth (and ironically, now Second) Amendment rights of Americans and this Administration's absolute detachment from any attempt at honest assessments or communication.

5 seconds after someone gets shot, Noem, Bovino, Miller, Vance, Trump all immediately jump in front of cameras or on X and dive into full-throated, adamant defenses of the government, before anyone has had any opportunity to make any substantive contact with the facts of the case.

All in all, it would be impossible to craft in a lab a less electorally popular, less effective, less constitutional, or more divisive strategy.

But hey at least Stephen Miller is getting his red meat for the far right base!

It’s crazy to think this is how authorities behave right now.

It’s difficult to even remember what previous administrations were like. Someone gets shot by law enforcement, they didn’t start a full on PR campaign like the government was their lawyer.

The first thing this… https://t.co/Mhv5gZ4bO0

— Richard Hanania (@RichardHanania) January 24, 2026

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Let me give it a try, Civ.

The only conclusion to be drawn is this administration wants this. It's by design. Tim Walz and Jacob Frey want the optics of grassroots protests standing up to the big bad ICE officers.

For what? To distract from the fraud and corruption of billions of taxpayer dollars gone missing. Hey, look over there! Something-something Trump!1

How did I do?

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Poorly.

Walz is done. He's already going to pay the ultimate electoral price for MN's (overblown but still real) fraud issue.

You act like grassroots protests or objections to ICE tactics are unique to MN. There are grassroots protests all over the country protesting ICE. ICE enforcement policy is wildly unpopular amongst 70% of the country.

Videos and documents don't lie. ICE has detainment goals. ICE officers are not getting enough training. ICE officers are routinely violating the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. Stephen Miller and Trump want masked goons running around creating fear. Americans are aware ICE isn't focusing on finding criminals, they're profiling people based on skin color and accent. People are getting roughed up and detained all over and killed/murdered by ICE in MN.

Perhaps worst, this Administration is completely unmoored from honest communication about any of this.

None of that was necessitated by anything Biden did, or caused buy anything Walz is doing. Some or all of that is going to cause organic protest because it's highly objectionable to millions of Americans.

It's wild how you won't simply acknowledge the obvious. There are huge issues with this manner of enforcement.

Your expectation that America is going to roll over and take what this Administration and ICE is giving us "because Biden" is wildly off base. America isn't going to do that.