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packgrad
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Here is "slowly pulling away" to lying civ.

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Walz prepares National Guard after woman killed in ICE operation: 'Never been at war' with federal government

https://www.foxnews.com/us/walz-prepares-national-guard-woman-killed-ice-operation-never-been-war-federal-government.amp

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I'm afraid the guy out smarted by third world criminals and voted for Vice President by our liberal friends is going to get someone else killed.

When will this dangerous rhetoric from the democrats stop?
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

Multiple things can be true at once.

1. Putting a car in drive and hitting the gas when an officer is anywhere near your vehicle is incredibly dangerous.

2. Whether or not she meant to hit the officer is unfortunately irrelevant to split second life or death decision making process of the officer in the front of the vehicle.

3. The woman dying for her decisions is still a human tragedy.

4. Tim Walz is actively hoping this blows up to protect himself from his scandals and is an evil, evil man.

Your 2nd point is unfortunately the most important one.

I don't think that officer woke up yesterday and said , hey I'm going to shoot a citizen today", and the same can be said for this woman, she didn't wake up thinking I'm going to be too close with my car to ICE Agents so they dont know what my intent was.

I personally don't think she was trying to hit that agent. I'm willing to bet she never saw him because of the other agent at the drivers side window probably had her attention. We'll never know for sure.

Again just sad all around.



No, this lady shouldn't have tried pulling away.

No, the agents weren't following protocol for stopping a car. Actual police are trained to not stand near the front of a car and to approach a car from the side/rear to provide them more safety and avoid this exact situation. Did ICE agents receive this training before they were thrust into the position of doing de facto crowd control?

Yes, it's very reasonable to ask if shooting her in the head was the appropriate response to her slowly pulling away.

This will absolutely get adjudicated, either civilly or criminally or both, and if it goes to trial a jury will decide if she was actually threatening deadly force, and whether the agents truly believed no other objectively reasonable means of defense were available.





Supposedly actual police, if that's what one would term the locals, couldn't be bothered to do their jobs by backing up ICE, compelling ICE to do their own perimeter control on top of their actual mission.
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hokiewolf
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I'll say this about ICE, the operation is what it is, the policy is what it is, I don't agree with some of it but that is fixed at the ballot box.

What I believe has created more issue than actual benefit for the ICE officers is the gear they wear. Look, that sounds really ridiculous and stupid, but I think it would have had the benefit of turning the temperature down because they look less like military and more like regular law enforcement.

Perhaps that would turn some of the rhetoric down and make the execution of this policy a little easier for everyone. Not sure though.


Additionally, I think Kavanaugh made a pretty big error in his opinion on 4th Amendment rights that have been used with a very heavy hand. He walked it back in a subsequent opinion but that damage is done.
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packgrad said:

Here is "slowly pulling away" to lying civ.



Lmao holy hell.
flylike44
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Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.
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hokiewolf said:

I'll say this about ICE, the operation is what it is, the policy is what it is, I don't agree with some of it but that is fixed at the ballot box.

What I believe has created more issue than actual benefit for the ICE officers is the gear they wear. Look, that sounds really ridiculous and stupid, but I think it would have had the benefit of turning the temperature down because they look less like military and more like regular law enforcement.

Perhaps that would turn some of the rhetoric down and make the execution of this policy a little easier for everyone. Not sure though.


Additionally, I think Kavanaugh made a pretty big error in his opinion on 4th Amendment rights that have been used with a very heavy hand. He walked it back in a subsequent opinion but that damage is done.

So Ice is to blame and not the scum politicians calling them the gestapo and Nazis? I've never once heard you call them out for their over the top rhetoric which definitely inflames the situation.
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No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?
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Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

jkpackfan said:

If the wheels don't spin she definitely runs this guy over.




Why even turn the wheels at all if she's trying to hit him directly in front of her?

I said my piece and my interpretation of what happened in the video. The scary thing is that this obviously deserves an investigation, but Noem already decided who was at fault and clearly lied about details refuted by the video within an hour of the incident.


Here is the cold hard truth. Democrats don't care about this lady one bit. They are searching for George Floyd moment because they are failing in every other way especially the major political issues.

They will attempt to whip the professional protesters and agitators into a frenzy to get political momentum and the media will certainly do their part to help.

I'm sorry the lady is dead. She had been following and harassing ICE officers for most of the day. Ultimately, she is responsible for her own actions.

Literally the ONLY reason Trump is targeting specific liberal cities with roving mobs of masked thugs is that he wants to create another George Floyd moment, for obvious political reasons. Massive unrest helps Trump, especially now since his policies have been a dumpster fire and the midterms are coming fast.

Watching conservative media in Portland desperate to turn a smattering of protests into "an insurrection" was comical, and it wasn't until protestors had the genius idea of wearing ridiculous inflatable suits, making Trump look stupid, that they finally bailed on Portland.

So now suddenly ICE is in Minneapolis, right as conservative media is in the middle of a Minnesota Tim Walz pile on? An infant can see what's happening. And after this inevitable incident, Tim Walz is on the airwaves begging his citizens to "not give Trump what he wants".

MAGA really is the most grotesque, un-American kind of politics, right in front of our face.
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SmaptyWolf said:

Gulfstream4 said:

eljefe444 said:

jkpackfan said:

If the wheels don't spin she definitely runs this guy over.




Why even turn the wheels at all if she's trying to hit him directly in front of her?

I said my piece and my interpretation of what happened in the video. The scary thing is that this obviously deserves an investigation, but Noem already decided who was at fault and clearly lied about details refuted by the video within an hour of the incident.


Here is the cold hard truth. Democrats don't care about this lady one bit. They are searching for George Floyd moment because they are failing in every other way especially the major political issues.

They will attempt to whip the professional protesters and agitators into a frenzy to get political momentum and the media will certainly do their part to help.

I'm sorry the lady is dead. She had been following and harassing ICE officers for most of the day. Ultimately, she is responsible for her own actions.

Literally the ONLY reason Trump is targeting specific liberal cities with roving mobs of masked thugs is that he wants to create another George Floyd moment, for obvious political reasons. Massive unrest helps Trump, especially now since his policies have been a dumpster fire and the midterms are coming fast.

Watching conservative media in Portland desperate to turn a smattering of protests into "an insurrection" was comical, and it wasn't until protestors had the genius idea of wearing ridiculous inflatable suits, making Trump look stupid, that they finally bailed on Portland.

So now suddenly ICE is in Minneapolis, right as conservative media is in the middle of a Minnesota Tim Walz pile on? An infant can see what's happening. And after this inevitable incident, Tim Walz is on the airwaves begging his citizens to "not give Trump what he wants".

MAGA really is the most grotesque, un-American kind of politics, right in front of our face.


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hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.
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flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


Yep. It is ridiculous that people continue to excuse and justify the behavior of crazy democrats, some even putting the blame at the feet of ICE officers doing their jobs. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than this.
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packgrad said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


Yep. It is ridiculous that people continue to excuse and justify the behavior of crazy democrats, some even putting the blame at the feet of ICE officers doing their jobs. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than this.


By multiple accounts this lady was a straight up loon. A perfect candidate for the radicalization from the left with the dangerous rhetoric talked day in and day out.

Liberal white women are not well. A high percentage of them are on some form of medication just to get through the day. I'm afraid we'll see more of this as the democrat party spirals out of control.
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The tone of side that the 3 blind mice are aligned with seems to be changing...LOL
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flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.
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Civilized said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.
There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.
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flylike44 said:

Civilized said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.


NY Times compiled three angles, two of which I hadn't seen. The first angle I saw yesterday looked nebulously like he was up near the headlight. The other two angles look like they paint a different picture.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html
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I really believe she never saw that agent with the other one at the driver side door which leaves me with a reasonable question of intent.
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hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

There are reports that the Ice agent that fired the shots was previously injured in a June 2025 incident where he was dragged by a fleeing vehicle during an arrest.
that's good context. Again just a tragic event for both the officer and the driver.


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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.

There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.

So are you implying that Ice agents haven't been doxxed?
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jkpackfan said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.

There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.

So are you implying that Ice agents haven't been doxxed?
No, i just don't believe it's a rampant issue otherwise I would've seen it here.
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flylike44 said:

Civilized said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.

This clearly shows him in the front of the vehicle, not even debatable. How else did she make contact with him?

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jkpackfan said:

packgrad said:

Here is "slowly pulling away" to lying civ.



Lmao holy hell.
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hokiewolf said:

jkpackfan said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.

There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.

So are you implying that Ice agents haven't been doxxed?

No, i just don't believe it's a rampant issue otherwise I would've seen it here.

It's not rampant because they have their faces covered which you absolutely hate. If their faces weren't covered you guys would definitely be doxxing the hell out of them and them and their families would be harassed 24/7.
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hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.
There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.


You're not as smart as you think you are. They would be doxxed if they were unmasked, and as your patronizing "which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about" post shows, you would be fine with it. You'd probably troll about that too to get some attention.
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hokiewolf said:

I really believe she never saw that agent with the other one at the driver side door which leaves me with a reasonable question of intent.


Agreed.

Officers likely don't have time or capacity to judge intent in that circumstance, but a car driving beside me/away from me vs. at me are two very different imminent threat levels, regardless of intent.

It's that piece that will get parsed in granular detail as this gets probed/investigated.
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packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.
There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.


You're not as smart as you think you are. They would be doxxed if they were unmasked, and as your patronizing "which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about" post shows, you would be fine with it. You'd probably troll about that too to get some attention.



I guess he only reads what he wants to read.

Ask him about what Newsome wants to do in California. And this is after there have already been ICE agents followed home and their residential addresses doxxed online immediately.

It's an intimidation tactic. All just because they are doing a lawful job that they were hired to do. Civ would find a way to defend the guy that shot the police officer in that Food Lion in Greensboro last year…
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TheStorm said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

packgrad said:

hokiewolf said:

No, that's is not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's a potential factor for how this operation is seen. Look, political rhetoric was already there before this operation started. Would it not be prudent to take that into account?


It's seen that way to leftists, yes. Any person in the center or right completely understands why they are masked. I'm sure you'd brush away the doxxing and attacks on them and their families just like you did the political rhetoric. "Part of the job." "They knew what they signed up for."

Exit to add.... and hilarious that you think it would turn the temperature down.

There are zero posts here about rampant doxxing of ICE Agents, which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about.


You're not as smart as you think you are. They would be doxxed if they were unmasked, and as your patronizing "which I'm sure you guys would work yourselves into a fever dream about" post shows, you would be fine with it. You'd probably troll about that too to get some attention.



I guess he only reads what he wants to read.

Ask him about what Newsome wants to do in California. And this is after there have already been ICE agents followed home and their residential addresses doxxed online immediately.

It's an intimidation tactic. All just because they are doing a lawful job that they were hired to do. Civ would find a way to defend the guy that shot the police officer in that Food Lion in Greensboro last year…

He isn't concerned with the truth. He just wants to get attention. I think that's why he gets in bed with civ. He loves the fleas.
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jkpackfan said:

flylike44 said:

Civilized said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.

This clearly shows him in the front of the vehicle, not even debatable. How else did she make contact with him?



Did you watch the video that Civ posted? I'll leave it here as well... please watch with an open mind as I did for your post. Avery's argument is that she tried to hit the ICE agent because "Look at this angle. She tried to run him over with her car"... I didn't hear any corroborating details other than her opinion

Whereas this video shows and explains that:
  • The driver clearly turned the wheels to go right (which is counter-intuitive to trying to run someone over in front of the car... even if she knew he was there coming from the other side of the vehicle as she was focused on the masked men running at her door trying to force her out)
  • The shooter's feet were out of the vehicle's path once she started going forward when he took the first shot
  • The next two shots were in the window while he was clearly not in imminent danger at the side of the car
  • The shooter fled the scene within two minutes of firing
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html
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eljefe444 said:

jkpackfan said:

flylike44 said:

Civilized said:

flylike44 said:

Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.

This clearly shows him in the front of the vehicle, not even debatable. How else did she make contact with him?



Did you watch the video that Civ posted? I'll leave it here as well... please watch with an open mind as I did for your post. Avery's argument is that she tried to hit the ICE agent because "Look at this angle. She tried to run him over with her car"... I didn't hear any corroborating details other than her opinion

Whereas this video shows and explains that:
  • The driver clearly turned the wheels to go right (which is counter-intuitive to trying to run someone over in front of the car... even if she knew he was there coming from the other side of the vehicle as she was focused on the masked men running at her door trying to force her out)
  • The shooter's feet were out of the vehicle's path once she started going forward when he took the first shot
  • The next two shots were in the window while he was clearly not in imminent danger at the side of the car
  • The shooter fled the scene within two minutes of firing
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

You think because a narrator from the NYT says she wasn't trying to hit him, and the officer had moved his feet before being run over indicates she did not hit him with the vehicle? How much time elapsed between the first and third shots? I don't think you watched with an open mind at all.

Also, The "shooter" did not "flee the scene" either. Totally open mind, huh?

Here, I'll post the video that clearly shows him getting struck that the NYT video tells you did not happen.




Edit to add.... and also drop the masked men "running at her door". #1 they weren't running. #2 She knew the masked men were ICE agents. They weren't boogeymen coming to hget her. They were agents of the law coming to arrest her. Even if she didn't see the officer who shot her, too bad. She shouldn't have been blocking the road. She shouldn't have been evading the officers. And finally, she shouldn't have almost run over the officer that shot her.

Without Dems manipulating the scenario, its very obvious this is a clear cut case.
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Haven't been here in a while but was compelled to come over after the events of this week and boy-oh-boy does this thread deliver. I could've written the posts from some of the usual suspects verbatim without looking lol.

This woman is dead because she was a moron that FAFO'd. If you're going to block officers with your car, try to run them over, etc instead of yelling with a sign like a normal protester, then what happens to you is of your own doing.

ICE is in Minneapolis doing their job. As the child of legal immigrants to this country I'd ask that the White-Knighting for illegals not be sent my way because I ain't having it.

Tragic situation that could've been avoided by this lady not being an idiot.


FAFO sounds great when GI Hegseth plays soldier on stage, but it's not a legal defense.

A suspect that runs away from cops and gets shot in the back FAFO too but that cop is likely guilty of murder.

Yes, this whole thing could have been avoided a whole bunch of ways including the lady not fleeing.

But you're deluding yourself if you think the feds and officers on the scene aren't going to have to defend themselves in court regarding whether their use of deadly force here was legal.

Multiple video angles show the officer that killed her being beside the front quarter panel and not in front of the car. She had her wheels turned away from the officers and the car was pulling away from them, not towards them. All those details will matter in court.


I guess I'm not watching the same videos as you are.

This clearly shows him in the front of the vehicle, not even debatable. How else did she make contact with him?



Did you watch the video that Civ posted? I'll leave it here as well... please watch with an open mind as I did for your post. Avery's argument is that she tried to hit the ICE agent because "Look at this angle. She tried to run him over with her car"... I didn't hear any corroborating details other than her opinion

Whereas this video shows and explains that:
  • The driver clearly turned the wheels to go right (which is counter-intuitive to trying to run someone over in front of the car... even if she knew he was there coming from the other side of the vehicle as she was focused on the masked men running at her door trying to force her out)
  • The shooter's feet were out of the vehicle's path once she started going forward when he took the first shot
  • The next two shots were in the window while he was clearly not in imminent danger at the side of the car
  • The shooter fled the scene within two minutes of firing
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

You think because a narrator from the NYT says she wasn't trying to hit him, and the officer had moved his feet before being run over indicates she did not hit him with the vehicle? How much time elapsed between the first and third shots? I don't think you watched with an open mind at all.

Also, The "shooter" did not "flee the scene" either. Totally open mind, huh?

Here, I'll post the video that clearly shows him getting struck that the NYT video tells you did not happen.





I never argued that the vehicle didn't make contact with the officer. That's obvious and not refuted by NYT. Speaking of putting yourself in the situation... he walked around from behind the vehicle on her blind side to the front.

He did flee the scene. He yelled "Somebody call 911", got in his unmarked car, and left all within two minutes of shooting her in the face with multiple shots. Where did I lie?
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