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I'll be curious to see if Trump's recent levying of additional tariffs on Canada just because he was butthurt about a commercial that quoted Ronald Reagan lambasting tariffs makes its way into these arguments today.

Never could there possibly be a more clear indication of the arbitrary and capricious thoughtlessness behind Trump tariff implementation than that PR and legal disaster.

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Dont think its going to matter, the Supreme Court is going to slap them down here shortly

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Did you say you voted for Trump, excusing his behavior for the sake of partisanship?

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Did you say you voted for Trump, excusing his behavior for the sake of partisanship?

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Yes, I made a mistake, I acknowledge it and I'm also part of the problem. The next time (and it will probably be in 3 years) when we have two miserable stupid candidates who just want to roll around with pigs come up for the Presidential Election, I will be writing in the person who I think should actually be President.

It will give #Nappy another option............

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caryking said:

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MTG out there reading those tea leaves.

Every single county in Virginia shifted blueward tonight: https://t.co/DxQBWaCAu3 https://t.co/grPERJjC7B pic.twitter.com/VhT0Jy0lNs

— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) November 5, 2025

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See my last post!!

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There is zero evidence that being pro-Trump helps down-ballot candidates and a mountain of evidence that it hurts them instead.

And this is across a several-election sample size at this point.

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Last year didn't happen, did it? Or, are you saying that Trump stole that election, along with congress?

If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

Mark page 611.
Respectfully, When the Republican party returns back to conservative principles and ethical government, which is what I stand for, rather than illiberal principles, I'm happy to come back. Until then, they can all throw rocks at each other and pretend that every election means life of death of the United States and continue to compare notes on who is the more aggrieved party

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Respectfully, When the Republican party returns back to conservative principles and ethical government, which is what I stand for, rather than illiberal principles, I'm happy to come back. Until then, they can all throw rocks at each other and pretend that every election means life of death of the United States and continue to compare notes on who is the more aggrieved party

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Who are the most appealing Dems and Pubs to you for 28 right now (not necessarily a Dem you would vote for, but that you find palatable, sane, etc.)

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Let's not forget… no one in the three States asked the best "get out the vote" person to campaign with them. They made a choice, because of things like you said, and ultimately got trounced!!

Never Trump Pubs lost, not what you think!

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You don't see the coincidence in the fact that the races fell right at Trumps current approval numbers? How about the severe uptick in young voters swinging back to democrats?

Trump is great for Trump, he has been a drag on every other election since 2016. It also doesn't help that Republicans continue to roll out candidates that have no shot. For instance, Senate in NC.

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I have another theory. The GOP Congress did this to themselves in 2016-2018. Ran on Obamacare repeal in 16, failed to deliver and were ousted in 18. This time, the GOP failed to stop or reverse spending. GOP leaning voters took note that our careen to financial suicide continues and they responded with their vote, or no vote.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Let's not forget… no one in the three States asked the best "get out the vote" person to campaign with them. They made a choice, because of things like you said, and ultimately got trounced!!

Never Trump Pubs lost, not what you think!

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You don't see the coincidence in the fact that the races fell right at Trumps current approval numbers? How about the severe uptick in young voters swinging back to democrats?

Trump is great for Trump, he has been a drag on every other election since 2016. It also doesn't help that Republicans continue to roll out candidates that have no shot. For instance, Senate in NC.

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I have another theory. The GOP Congress did this to themselves in 2016-2018. Ran on Obamacare repeal in 16, failed to deliver and were ousted in 18. This time, the GOP failed to stop or reverse spending. GOP leaning voters took note that our careen to financial suicide continues and they responded with their vote, or no vote.

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I have two even simpler explanations

1. To use the ever old phrase, "its the economy, stupid". Everything is still expensive and I dont see an off ramp in sight
2. The Pub ground game outside of a Presidential election year is dreadful and has been for quite a long time

Years ago I labeled the a$$ clowns in this site that supported Hilldog marxists and Pinocchio and his band of left wing non-employed contingent made a mockery of it.

Here's your crow. Enjoy.

And along with being correct on labeling them that the comments I've made about Pinocchio have yet to have been false, disputed or proven to be untrue.

Own it lefties. Your party is going to wear this one next year and in 2028 when you run Newscum/AOC.

Civ and Pinocchio are slobbering each other dreaming of that one.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Let's not forget… no one in the three States asked the best "get out the vote" person to campaign with them. They made a choice, because of things like you said, and ultimately got trounced!!

Never Trump Pubs lost, not what you think!

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You don't see the coincidence in the fact that the races fell right at Trumps current approval numbers? How about the severe uptick in young voters swinging back to democrats?

Trump is great for Trump, he has been a drag on every other election since 2016. It also doesn't help that Republicans continue to roll out candidates that have no shot. For instance, Senate in NC.

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I have another theory. The GOP Congress did this to themselves in 2016-2018. Ran on Obamacare repeal in 16, failed to deliver and were ousted in 18. This time, the GOP failed to stop or reverse spending. GOP leaning voters took note that our careen to financial suicide continues and they responded with their vote, or no vote.

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I have two even simpler explanations

1. To use the ever old phrase, "its the economy, stupid". Everything is still expensive and I dont see an off ramp in sight
2. The Pub ground game outside of a Presidential election year is dreadful and has been for quite a long time

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Regarding inflation and prices, the problem was running on a promise that was undeliverable.

Inflation had already fallen to sub-3% by the time Biden left office. Wasn't perfect and had a little further to go, but there was only so much downward movement to be had there. Would have been interesting to see how much further it would have declined, but for tariff increases.

But then regarding prices, obviously horrible strategy to run on reducing prices (not inflation, but actual prices) which was likely never going to happen in the best of circumstances (nor would any of us likely want them to; deflation ain't good) and then tariffing the entire world except Russia.

If you tell your constituents you're going to deliver lower prices there is a near-certainty you're going to be wrong, and that probability increases to 100% if you enter office and then immediately tariff up everything.

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hokiewolf said:

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caryking said:

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hokiewolf said:

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jkpackfan said:

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1.6+ million Democrats voted for a man in Virginia who fantasized about kiIIing his opponent's kids. This is where we are.

The soul of the democrat party lies with the far left now.

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sorry man, when you elect someone and excuse their behavior for the sake of partisanship, you get this as an end result.

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Let's not forget… no one in the three States asked the best "get out the vote" person to campaign with them. They made a choice, because of things like you said, and ultimately got trounced!!

Never Trump Pubs lost, not what you think!

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You don't see the coincidence in the fact that the races fell right at Trumps current approval numbers? How about the severe uptick in young voters swinging back to democrats?

Trump is great for Trump, he has been a drag on every other election since 2016. It also doesn't help that Republicans continue to roll out candidates that have no shot. For instance, Senate in NC.

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I have another theory. The GOP Congress did this to themselves in 2016-2018. Ran on Obamacare repeal in 16, failed to deliver and were ousted in 18. This time, the GOP failed to stop or reverse spending. GOP leaning voters took note that our careen to financial suicide continues and they responded with their vote, or no vote.

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If you were doing exit polling I bet the sustainability of entitlements or the US's debt situation would make the top-5 concerns for 10% or less of voters.

And that Venn diagram doesn't overlap one iota with the subset of voters that are truly concerned about and impacted by grocery prices, immigration raids, or the shutdown.

Voters right now are responding mostly to ICE tactics, tariff price increases, DOGE/job loss, healthcare, and the shutdown.

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I remember the outrage with GW Bush was caught on mic calling a NY times reporter a real *******. No one would pay attention to that now. We've gone off the cliff of populism.

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I don't have an overly pessimistic view about this; I do think the pendulum swings back some when Trump is gone.

Tone starts from the top and he and his sons are just classless, crass, trashy dudes and expect and want that from those around them so you see their behavior mirrored in Vance (explicitly) and Johnson (passively) and others.

I don't think other Republican party leaders will get away with that type of conduct (or even attempt to) and Dem party leaders self-flagellate and purity test each other too much for poor conduct to go broadly unaddressed, unapologized for, or excused.

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Can you imagine your outrage if just one of your President Trumps sons were like Hunter?!?! You would have a field day.

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I remember the outrage with GW Bush was caught on mic calling a NY times reporter a real *******. No one would pay attention to that now. We've gone off the cliff of populism.

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I don't have an overly pessimistic view about this; I do think the pendulum swings back some when Trump is gone.

Tone starts from the top and he and his sons are just classless, crass, trashy dudes and expect and want that from those around them so you see their behavior mirrored in Vance (explicitly) and Johnson (passively) and others.

I don't think other Republican party leaders will get away with that type of conduct (or even attempt to) and Dem party leaders self-flagellate and purity test each other too much for poor conduct to go broadly unaddressed, unapologized for, or excused.

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Can you imagine your outrage if just one of your President Trumps sons were like Hunter?!?! You would have a field day.

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Like Hunter, in what way?

Trump Jr. appears to be coked up in about half of his interviews so you're definitely not talking about drug use.

Hunter is a total mess personally but WRT how he comports himself in public and the way he treats others, what has he ever done that was as unprofessional or unkind or inappropriate as making fun of someone for almost being murdered?

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

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First and Foremost, he's a Communist. That enough!!

My real issue is that just 24 years ago, Islamist flew planes into the WTC. Now, the 40% of non-US born citizens voted for him. That shows you how bad this country has fallen! Immigration is a shame! Furthermore, immigrants, of the past, came here knowing the what the US stands for. Our education system has created this anti-American sentimate we have! Mamdani is the epitome of Anti-American!!

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

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Civ, why don't you take a stab on what Mamdani stands for that you find so wonderful…

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Gulfstream4 said:

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Civilized said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I remember the outrage with GW Bush was caught on mic calling a NY times reporter a real *******. No one would pay attention to that now. We've gone off the cliff of populism.

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I don't have an overly pessimistic view about this; I do think the pendulum swings back some when Trump is gone.

Tone starts from the top and he and his sons are just classless, crass, trashy dudes and expect and want that from those around them so you see their behavior mirrored in Vance (explicitly) and Johnson (passively) and others.

I don't think other Republican party leaders will get away with that type of conduct (or even attempt to) and Dem party leaders self-flagellate and purity test each other too much for poor conduct to go broadly unaddressed, unapologized for, or excused.

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Can you imagine your outrage if just one of your President Trumps sons were like Hunter?!?! You would have a field day.

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Like Hunter, in what way?

Trump Jr. appears to be coked up in about half of his interviews so you're definitely not talking about drug use.

Hunter is a total mess personally but WRT how he comports himself in public and the way he treats others, what has he ever done that was as unprofessional or unkind or inappropriate as making fun of someone for almost being murdered?

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Go ahead and try to normalize people on your side. Bring Jr down to Hunter's level. That's rich!!

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

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First and Foremost, he's a Communist. That enough!!

My real issue is that just 24 years ago, Islamist flew planes into the WTC. Now, the 40% of non-US born citizens voted for him. That shows you how bad this country has fallen! Immigration is a shame! Furthermore, immigrants, of the past, came here knowing the what the US stands for. Our education system has created this anti-American sentimate we have! Mamdani is the epitome of Anti-American!!

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Eyeroll.

What do the 9/11 attacks have to do with Mamdani? Zero.

Nobody who studies communism would ever say that he's communist so no, that's not even close to correct either.

He basically ran on putting people first, cheaper housing, and not being a sex assaulter or Granny-killer like Cuomo.

The people of NY didn't exactly have a lot to choose from. He's articulate, seems kind and people-first, and isn't a criminal (Cuomo) or bought (Eric Adams) so he obviously stood out.

A really nice, well-spoken, and put together candidate, that's also Muslim and that has really progressive stances (that would almost certainly not work on a national platform; he's left of Bernie and AOC) winning an election in the one of the most diverse, expensive cities on the East Coast isn't exactly a sign of the apocalypse.

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

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Civ, why don't you take a stab on what Mamdani stands for that you find so wonderful…

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I'm not the one complaining about him Cary. That's you. Why don't you explain what you think about his platform is so dangerous?

New Yorkers chose him, not me. I wouldn't vote for him if there was an electible, sensible, humanist, moderate or centrist alternative but New Yorkers didn't have that opportunity.

I wouldn't want city-owned stores, with the government competing with private industry, and no-cost childcare is a lot like free education for all, it's pie in the sky and completely unclear how you'd pay for it.

But go look at his platform and his personality and it's completely obvious why he'd appeal to New Yorkers.

Fighting housing costs
Tenant-friendly housing policies
Making communities safer
Stronger funding, education, and mental health care in schools
Taxing gajillion-aires
Health care advocacy

And on and on. These aren't bat-**** crazy ideas. It may be unclear how some of them will be funded, but these ideas aren't the ruminations of an evil terrorist-in-sheep's-clothing communist boogeyman.

Some options for jumping off #Sieve's sinking ship, Communism.

🗽Everyone leaving NYC … there are options other than Florida:

•Alabama
•Alaska
•Arkansas
•Florida
•Idaho
•Indiana
•Kansas
•Kentucky
•Louisiana
•Mississippi
•Missouri
•Montana
•Nebraska
•North Dakota
•Oklahoma
•South Carolina
•South Dakota
•Tennessee
•Texas… pic.twitter.com/CBiv8H7WxY

— Sheri™ (@FFT1776) November 5, 2025

.........and #daSieve and #daNappy are celebrating, LMAO. How gangsta' are ya, #Sieve?

Zohran Mamdani's intern Hadeeqa Arzoo Malik explains that electing him is part of a Holy War and jihad:

"This is all jihad, this is all ibadah, this is all counted by Allah. How committed am I to this? What am I willing to sacrifice for this noble cause?"

Zohran Mamdani’s intern Hadeeqa Arzoo Malik explains that electing him is part of a Holy War and jihad:

“This is all jihad, this is all ibadah, this is all counted by Allah. How committed am I to this? What am I willing to sacrifice for this noble cause?”pic.twitter.com/8oWzjUfW6v

— Dr. Maalouf ‏ (@realMaalouf) November 4, 2025

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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If you think people should lie down and accept the Dems push to Marxist Communism, then, you can watch this country lose all of its founding principles. I choose to elect people that will fight for some similar representation of what we are supposed to be.

In the meantime, Hokie, sit out there and hold some type of moral position and watch our country go straight to Hell!! Stand for something! People like Mamdahni stand for something!! And, he just won our greatest city and the financial institution of the world.

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Can you articulate what exactly it is that Mamdani stands for that you find so objectionable?

Not that you disagree with - I'm sure there's a lot of meat on that bone.

I'm talking about what stances you think are existential threats, keeping in mind that he is not a king either, and will not be able to ramrod and mayor-executive-order a communist agenda through Council and the machinations of city government.

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First and Foremost, he's a Communist. That enough!!

My real issue is that just 24 years ago, Islamist flew planes into the WTC. Now, the 40% of non-US born citizens voted for him. That shows you how bad this country has fallen! Immigration is a shame! Furthermore, immigrants, of the past, came here knowing the what the US stands for. Our education system has created this anti-American sentimate we have! Mamdani is the epitome of Anti-American!!

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Eyeroll.

What do the 9/11 attacks have to do with Mamdani? Zero.

Nobody who studies communism would ever say that he's communist so no, that's not even close to correct either.

He basically ran on putting people first, cheaper housing, and not being a sex assaulter or Granny-killer like Cuomo.

The people of NY didn't exactly have a lot to choose from. He's articulate, seems kind and people-first, and isn't a criminal (Cuomo) or bought (Eric Adams) so he obviously stood out.

A really nice, well-spoken, and put together candidate, that's also Muslim and that has really progressive stances (that would almost certainly not work on a national platform; he's left of Bernie and AOC) winning an election in the one of the most diverse, expensive cities on the East Coast isn't exactly a sign of the apocalypse.

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sorry man, this guy openly wants to eradicate Jews from the Earth. He isn't a communist, but definitely a socialist. His policies are absurd and have been proven to not work (rent freezes, more regulation of housing, government run grocery stores, free busses). Hes going to run out of other people's money fast.