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— The White House (@WhiteHouse) May 11, 2025

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I remember a time when Bernie Sanders ran a campaign based on this very policy and it was rejected because it would create severe drug shortages. Oh well, I guess MAGA and socialism are same same. Who needs prescription medicine anyway? We need to make do with less and embrace the pain.

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I would hope we could all agree that no one should be taking money from Qatar, and it seems a lot of institutions have been and are. This is just another example.

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100% agree. I think we should be wary of any money coming from the Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that this (not just the plane, but Qatar sprinkling money everywhere) isn't a larger concern.

It's just an Elephant in the room, continue on, please.
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— Charlie Kirk 🇺🇸 Commentary (@CharlieK_news) May 11, 2025

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I would hope we could all agree that no one should be taking money from Qatar, and it seems a lot of institutions have been and are. This is just another example.

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100% agree. I think we should be wary of any money coming from the Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that this (not just the plane, but Qatar sprinkling money everywhere) isn't a larger concern.

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If the impossibly corrupt act of launching a memecoin that allows Trump to be bribed by any foreign government or bad actor that wants to doesn't cause any consequential concern on the right, what makes you think Qatar openly handing him a plane would be a concern?

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my concern with Qatar is a lot bigger than a plane and not all about Trump either.

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I would hope we could all agree that no one should be taking money from Qatar, and it seems a lot of institutions have been and are. This is just another example.

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100% agree. I think we should be wary of any money coming from the Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that this (not just the plane, but Qatar sprinkling money everywhere) isn't a larger concern.

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If the impossibly corrupt act of launching a memecoin that allows Trump to be bribed by any foreign government or bad actor that wants to doesn't cause any consequential concern on the right, what makes you think Qatar openly handing him a plane would be a concern?

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my concern with Qatar is a lot bigger than a plane and not all about Trump either.

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Its been a pattern since Saudi Arabia announced Vision 2030 back in 2016. Countries in the Middle East have been slinging huge sums around over many different sectors, and always looking for something in return. You dont get those sums of money offered without strings.

My concern with it is that their words and actions point in two vastly different directions. Are their intentions nefarious? I honestly dont know, but given the history of that part of the world in my lifetime, I think keeping them at arms length is a much better option than getting into bed with them.

With regards to this deal specifically, I dont think it can be ignored that we are trying to negotiate with Iran. Who is one of Iran's biggest supporters - Qatar. I think its perfectly reasonable to look at this suspiciously, especially if Iran gets a sweetheart deal (which, by the way, should be done with Congressional approval, but thats another conversation for another time).

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-china-announce-reduced-tariffs-90-days-after-trade-talks

What's that quote that hokie pokie likes to use on these boards?

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I would hope we could all agree that no one should be taking money from Qatar, and it seems a lot of institutions have been and are. This is just another example.

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100% agree. I think we should be wary of any money coming from the Middle East

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It's fascinating to me that this (not just the plane, but Qatar sprinkling money everywhere) isn't a larger concern.

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If the impossibly corrupt act of launching a memecoin that allows Trump to be bribed by any foreign government or bad actor that wants to doesn't cause any consequential concern on the right, what makes you think Qatar openly handing him a plane would be a concern?

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my concern with Qatar is a lot bigger than a plane and not all about Trump either.

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Its been a pattern since Saudi Arabia announced Vision 2030 back in 2016. Countries in the Middle East have been slinging huge sums around over many different sectors, and always looking for something in return. You dont get those sums of money offered without strings.

My concern with it is that their words and actions point in two vastly different directions. Are their intentions nefarious? I honestly dont know, but given the history of that part of the world in my lifetime, I think keeping them at arms length is a much better option than getting into bed with them.

With regards to this deal specifically, I dont think it can be ignored that we are trying to negotiate with Iran. Who is one of Iran's biggest supporters - Qatar. I think its perfectly reasonable to look at this suspiciously, especially if Iran gets a sweetheart deal (which, by the way, should be done with Congressional approval, but thats another conversation for another time).

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Very insightful, appreciate your points. I have to agree with you that the Administration is trying to get a deal with Iran, but thanks to Israel, we are holding all the cards. I hope we are negotiating in a position of strength

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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Because the construction and systems on Air Force One are classified

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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Because the construction and systems on Air Force One are classified

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And Boeing is the only company that is allowed to work with these classified systems?

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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Because the construction and systems on Air Force One are classified

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And Boeing is the only company that is allowed to work with these classified systems?

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yes. You also need to rip the plane apart to make sure there isn't any bugging or tracking devices installed.

Get'em Bernie!

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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Because the construction and systems on Air Force One are classified

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And Boeing is the only company that is allowed to work with these classified systems?

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yes

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The U.S. government has commissioned L3Harris to overhaul a Boeing 747 formerly used by the Qatari government. The Melbourne, Fla.-based company is tasked with retrofitting the plane with certain specialized systems to transform the luxury aircraft into a presidential jet, some of the people said.

L3Harris is part of Boeing then? Above is from the WSJ article.

ETA: Boeing is not specialized in debugging planes. And again many many companies take planes apart. Many.

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oh, you got me I guess. Still all that work needs to be done, I'm sorry I assumed Boeing was the only company that worked on classified systems for Air Force One.

The point still stands. I should have said a defense contractor, but you're spending time and money to retrofit a plane that isn't designed to do the mission of Air Force One. So how much is that going to cost? Couple billion?

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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We're not talking about "maintenance and overhaul". We're talking about the equivalent of designing a new lunar lander. Actual engineering. You've already got an existing Air Force One that's more capable than anything that would come out of a "done by the end of the year" overhaul.

A lot of attention generated here on the WC with #daJet. I would suppose there to be similar attention generated in the region in addition to back at home. Easy to see who cares about things. In some ways its almost another version of #ArtOfTheDeal, or even from #SunTzu. A little dust-up for #Gobbler is always good for a laugh.

Will be interesting to see when the details of the money laundering via Ukraine detail out for all the world to see. Bet there won't be much said about it.

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— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 12, 2025

Yeah, funny how the Left goes radio silent when the economy’s roaring under MAGA momentum and the Dow's blasting through the ceiling.
When markets crash, they’re on every screen screaming “end of democracy.”
But when it jumps 800 points ‘cause Trump’s policies are looming like a…

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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We're not talking about "maintenance and overhaul". We're talking about the equivalent of designing a new lunar lander. Actual engineering. You've already got an existing Air Force One that's more capable than anything that would come out of a "done by the end of the year" overhaul.

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You have no idea what you are talking about and yes, in this case, it would be an overhaul of an existing aircraft.

You do understand there are lots of military aircraft that get overhauled, right? Some with much more capabilities than air force 1.

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Since you're clearly an expert (and not just another MAGA partisan embarrassing yourself once again to defend the indefensible), maybe you could tell us more about what Boeing was hung up on while designing the next generation of Air Force One. And then explain how some other random company overhauling a Qatari plane would fix those engineering delays right up.

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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We're not talking about "maintenance and overhaul". We're talking about the equivalent of designing a new lunar lander. Actual engineering. You've already got an existing Air Force One that's more capable than anything that would come out of a "done by the end of the year" overhaul.

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You have no idea what you are talking about and yes, in this case, it would be an overhaul of an existing aircraft.

You do understand there are lots of military aircraft that get overhauled, right? Some with much more capabilities than air force 1.

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Since you're clearly an expert (and not just another MAGA partisan embarrassing yourself once again to defend the indefensible), maybe you could tell us more about what Boeing was hung up on while designing the next generation of Air Force One. And then explain how some other random company overhauling a Qatari plane would fix those engineering delays right up.

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Boeing is just a very poorly run company. Everything seems to go badly with them.

Recently (well before Doge) maintenance / overhaul contracts changed from cost (plus what ever you needed) to a fixed budget. Government does not just pay you more if you do not do your job on time and on cost. This made a few of the contractors much more efficient and more creative. There are a few that are run very well and can do things much faster at a much lower cost than Boeing. Which is why I asked why does it have to go back to Boeing.

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Cthepack said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

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Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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We're not talking about "maintenance and overhaul". We're talking about the equivalent of designing a new lunar lander. Actual engineering. You've already got an existing Air Force One that's more capable than anything that would come out of a "done by the end of the year" overhaul.

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You have no idea what you are talking about and yes, in this case, it would be an overhaul of an existing aircraft.

You do understand there are lots of military aircraft that get overhauled, right? Some with much more capabilities than air force 1.

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Since you're clearly an expert (and not just another MAGA partisan embarrassing yourself once again to defend the indefensible), maybe you could tell us more about what Boeing was hung up on while designing the next generation of Air Force One. And then explain how some other random company overhauling a Qatari plane would fix those engineering delays right up.

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Boeing is just a very poorly run company. Everything seems to go badly with them.

Recently (well before Doge) maintenance / overhaul contracts changed from cost (plus what ever you needed) to a fixed budget. Government does not just pay you more if you do not do your job on time and on cost. This made a few of the contractors much more efficient and more creative. There are a few that are run very well and can do things much faster at a much lower cost than Boeing. Which is why I asked why does it have to go back to Boeing.

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No argument that Boeing is a sh** show these days, but again, we're not talking about grabbing the latest off-the-shelf parts to overhaul a plane. We're talking about engineering a next-generation aircraft. That's the delayed project that Trump is bawling about.

If you think the scrappiest engineering firm out there can dust off the plans and bang something out with this Qatari plane by year end that is an across the board upgrade to the existing Air Force One then no, you have no f'ing idea what you're talking about.

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Cthepack said:

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Cthepack said:

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TheStorm said:

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hokiewolf said:

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TheStorm said:

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FlossyDFlynt said:

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hokiewolf said:

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I guess you MAGA guys are all cool with the $400M gifted airplane from Qatar? Swamp must be drained or whatnot.

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Read about this during my morning reading, then discovered the WSJ covered this earlier and has a bit of a different angle on it

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-force-one-trump-qatari-jet-l3harris-fc903838?st=G1CgNc

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I think this is called serving someone their ass on a platter.

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Then buy the plane. Don't accept a gift.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/qatar-offers-trump-jumbo-jet-serve-air-force-one

He read your post apparently.

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let's think about how unfeasible this is to turn this plane into Air Force One. It has to go to Boeing, get repainted, then all of the communications equipment needs to be installed, the engines need to be replaced (because I believe they are a different engine on Air Force One) and anti aircraft and missile counter measures need to be installed. You don't just bolt that stuff on.

So, I'd like to believe that the Administration wants to use this plane for Air Force One but reality tells me Trump just wants a new plane to fly in when he's not President anymore. We can weigh that vs the issue that Qatar is buying influence from many, many different people and institutions in the US including universities and the media.

So, just don't think a plane is a good idea on top of all the other questionable gifts/funding others have received, which is a lot larger than a plane.

---

Why would it have to go back to Boeing? Aircraft maintenance is done all over the world. Including replacing engines, painting...etc.

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The reason Air Force One is delayed in the first place is because the modern enhancements are very complicated. This isn't just slapping on a coat of paint and maybe swapping out the communication system. Bringing in a Qatari Boeing doesn't change anything... if you want an "upgraded" Air Force One the timeline will be the same.

So instead Trump wants what? An Air Force One Lite? Something that's probably less secure than the current Air Force One but has diamond chandeliers? Or is the "end of the year' timeline obviously ridiculous, and he's just banking a new plane after he gets out of office? The question answers itself.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing.

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It does not have to go back to Boeing to do what? Complete a bunch of cutting edge top secret enhancements? You think Larry's Discount Jet Emporium has got it covered?

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See my edited post. But to let you know part of what my company does is work with aircraft maintenance and overhaul. Lots of defense contractors can overhaul classified planes.

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We're not talking about "maintenance and overhaul". We're talking about the equivalent of designing a new lunar lander. Actual engineering. You've already got an existing Air Force One that's more capable than anything that would come out of a "done by the end of the year" overhaul.

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You have no idea what you are talking about and yes, in this case, it would be an overhaul of an existing aircraft.

You do understand there are lots of military aircraft that get overhauled, right? Some with much more capabilities than air force 1.

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Since you're clearly an expert (and not just another MAGA partisan embarrassing yourself once again to defend the indefensible), maybe you could tell us more about what Boeing was hung up on while designing the next generation of Air Force One. And then explain how some other random company overhauling a Qatari plane would fix those engineering delays right up.

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I need to find the article again but changes to the design of Air Force One has created complex engineering problems that Boeing is having trouble solving.