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Back to my 2nd and last question:

Is the young Doge team in on Elon's lie? Or is the team just a front, a fake?

I'm assuming the consensus of the 3 of you is that the $37T resulted from the billionaire class tax breaks? Or for some other reason?

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Again, is this a serious question?

It's a mystery for the ages how you can, on one hand, believe that the most likely explanation for a massive flood is the Illuminati controlling the weather, but then can't possibly see how Elon might have hand picked a bunch of loyal kids to do his dirty work.

Ironically, it sure seems like it's you (and Cary, etc) who have Trump Derangement Syndrome... anything involving Dear Leader completely shuts down your "discernment".

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Smapty, did you see my post above on the actual people on the DOGE team. These people are serious people. Not some random kids in the woods...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5218847-meet-the-doge-team/

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You're confusing the DOGE yes-men that Elon has placed at the various agencies to "co-run" them. Those are at least adults. The team of hackers he has going from department to department are most definitely a bunch of kids with checkered pasts more than happy to rummage through systems that they may or may not have legal access to in order to find "fraud".

Incidentally, any technical person who's ever been involved in any kind of merger and tried to sort through another company's databases and code knows how absolutely absurd it is to claim that they found massive fraud in (let alone could even comprehend) these gigantic databases and ancient COBOL(!!!) systems in a matter of weeks. I don't care how elite they claim to be.

As expected, when they do release "findings" it's comical, which of course forces Elon to double down.

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Smapty, you're projecting significantly on the yes men. These people did an interview that I thought was fairly responsible. They are putting their names out there for what?

Yes, we have a number of youthful people that may be doing the technical work. In today's world, with today's technology, they probably understand it better than you or I. BTW, I have no idea what type of database this stuff sit on; furthermore, I have no idea what language is being used on these systems.

Now, some of this AI I'm starting to see can easily sift through this stuff at rates we've never seen before. So, please don't underestimate the capabilities of others. It's not a very appealing trait…

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At the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally my field.

The database is irrelevant, it's SQL which is universal... it's understanding how (and if) the data is being used that's the problem. There is a LOT of garbage in old databases. To sort that out you need to understand the software using the database.

Almost all government systems (including the Social Security systems) are written in COBOL, an ancient software language that is notoriously hard to reverse engineer. Being a young, and especially elite developer, is actually is an impediment... elite developers are experienced with modern languages. Extracting business logic out of a COBOL system typically requires dusting off the retired developers who created it. More often companies just leave the systems alone and work around/rewrite them. (DOGE recently claimed that they're going to rewrite the entire SS system in a few months. Aside from that being hilariously unlikely, that's the reason why).

And no, feeding the entire codebase and massive database into the DOGEBOT 3000 AI and saying "ok, find me the fraud!" isn't a thing.

Elon is taking full advantage of the fact that no, most people clearly have no idea. But you trust any ridiculous claim he makes, so that's all that matters.

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I'm not going to try and say I understand technology as much as you; however, I'm certainly not a novice. That said, I'm certainly not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when comparing your knowledge to Elon.

No offense, I think we can all say his credentials are solid. That said, you may feel as if yours are better than his…. BTW, at the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally his field.

Who knows…. You may actually be the smartest person in the room.

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I never suggested Elon is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying he knows exactly what he's doing, which is bullshi**ing you.

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Like I said… you may actually be the smartest person in the room…

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Ok, I might be able to be convinced that Musk is actually a moron. Maybe you can help me out with an example from a couple days ago...

At a Wisconsin rally Sunday he said this:

Quote:

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"One interesting statistic was that 40 percent of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent, meaning that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior instead to go to a fraud ring."

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What the Social Security Administration actually said was that 40 percent of direct deposit fraud, one specific type of fraud, occurred via calls to the agency. That is not remotely the same thing as 40 percent of all 60 million annual telephone calls being fraudulent.

So you tell me... is he an unbelievable moron who understands rocket telemetries but can't grasp a basic SSA statistic, or is he BULLSHI**ING YOU?

I don't know, suddenly I'm torn.

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I'm sure you've never misspoke, right?

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It's not a single incident. It's repeated behaviour

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So you are now saying he actually was in MS13. And now more facts emerge. Turns out the judge in question is the infamous Boasberg, not an immigration judge as the original story would had us believe. Until/unless this matter is further clarified, the usual suspects have presented us with a nothing burger.

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no I'm giving you a reasonable assumption that if he is or was an MS team gang member it's probably because it's forced upon him because he came to th e United States seeking asylum and didn't have a criminal record for 10 years.

I know plenty of people from growing up in Durham that were part of a gang that are no longer part of a gang and have productive members of society decades longer than they were in a street gang.

Several of them served honorably on the military, some own businesses in Durham, one is a preacher. Gang membership is sometimes forced on you, I'm sure you don't get that but it's a truth

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I'm sorry, could you speak up? You were drowned out by the screams of Jamie Raskin and his congressional colleagues that all illegal alien gangsters be brought back to the US. :B

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I don't understand why you think the US shouldn't be 100% sure someone is a criminal before sending them to the worst prison in the world to potentially be killed. That upsets me, and it concerns me that you have zero care about these mistakes.

Knowing someone who was treated like a criminal, moved from detainment center to detainment center with no communication from the loved ones that they have here, and get zero due process, who came here legally and was doing all the right things to become a citizen of the country she loved, get deported for absolutely no reason. Is a schoolteacher. It's madness for what exactly?

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Agreed. I'm concerned that procedure be vetted and followed. This story seems to be as substantial as wet tissue paper, however, and I can't get worked up over it. Let's consider what didn't happen here. A U.S. citizen didn't get sent to that hellhole. Someone who wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got sent back to his country of origin. And under Biden, even the most vile characters could enter the country claiming asylum and they usually did, they were coached to do so, in fact.

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Insanity, but how dare we deport them!

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HE DIDNT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. He is most likely going to die in that prison. Callous

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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I believe he had an administrative order allowing him to stay in country while his asylum case was being decided. So yes, he was here legally. And he had an order to not send him back to El Salvador but we did, and now he's in a prison chock full of the people he was seeking asylum for.

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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And anybody here on a visa of any type can be deported at any time. That visa is at the discretion of the United States of America and they can cancel it at any time. The rule of law does not matter to the leftist. Doesn't matter if you have been here for a month, a year, or longer. If you came in illegally then you are in fact a criminal.

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thanks for completely confusing the argument. Deport all you want, even for zero reason like is happening now. Fine. Just don't deport people who haven't committed crimes to prisons outside the US. That is cruel

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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And anybody here on a visa of any type can be deported at any time. That visa is at the discretion of the United States of America and they can cancel it at any time. The rule of law does not matter to the leftist. Doesn't matter if you have been here for a month, a year, or longer. If you came in illegally then you are in fact a criminal.

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thanks for completely confusing the argument. Deport all you want, even for zero reason like is happening now. Fine. Just don't deport people who haven't committed crimes to prisons outside the US. That is cruel

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LOL…. Everyone knows that Pinocchio is a nepo baby who is riding the coattails of his parent's hard work.

I've never seen someone who actually has a job and works for a living spend so much time on an "off topic" college message board.

I've said it many times a I'll say it again. Your character, or lack of, speaks volumes to who you are as a person.

Your lies and double speak on this board has proven time and time again that you are nothing but a whiny, spoiled, entitled brat.

Here's some advice. Grow the F up. Try being a man, husband and parent.

You are on this site constantly and I only check in once every week or so.

Your parents have done you no favors.


Good luck. You're going to need it.

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BREAKING: Obama appointee Federal Judge Edward Chen just blocked Trump's administration from ending Temporary Protected Status for 350,000 Venezuelans.

Why are these rogue activists posing as judges allowed to constantly impede Trump?

This must be STOPPED! pic.twitter.com/zIHJqGhRTO

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) March 31, 2025

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Only the U.S. Supreme Court is "co-equal" with the executive and legislative branch, per the Constitution.

These lower level Federal district courts were created by Congress, to effectively serve as "administrative" courts. Congress could decide to de-fund or abolish these courts. These federal district courts do NOT have the authority to overturn or put nationwide injunctions on laws passed by Congress or executive orders by the President.

Senator Kennedy and many others around the country have been discussing this. President Trump should disregard these Federal district court rulings, as these courts have no authority to do these things. Only the U.S. Supreme Court could do this.

Guess you skipped over the no more personal attacks thing. Yesterday. Not surprised.

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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Back to my 2nd and last question:

Is the young Doge team in on Elon's lie? Or is the team just a front, a fake?

I'm assuming the consensus of the 3 of you is that the $37T resulted from the billionaire class tax breaks? Or for some other reason?

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Again, is this a serious question?

It's a mystery for the ages how you can, on one hand, believe that the most likely explanation for a massive flood is the Illuminati controlling the weather, but then can't possibly see how Elon might have hand picked a bunch of loyal kids to do his dirty work.

Ironically, it sure seems like it's you (and Cary, etc) who have Trump Derangement Syndrome... anything involving Dear Leader completely shuts down your "discernment".

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Smapty, did you see my post above on the actual people on the DOGE team. These people are serious people. Not some random kids in the woods...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5218847-meet-the-doge-team/

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You're confusing the DOGE yes-men that Elon has placed at the various agencies to "co-run" them. Those are at least adults. The team of hackers he has going from department to department are most definitely a bunch of kids with checkered pasts more than happy to rummage through systems that they may or may not have legal access to in order to find "fraud".

Incidentally, any technical person who's ever been involved in any kind of merger and tried to sort through another company's databases and code knows how absolutely absurd it is to claim that they found massive fraud in (let alone could even comprehend) these gigantic databases and ancient COBOL(!!!) systems in a matter of weeks. I don't care how elite they claim to be.

As expected, when they do release "findings" it's comical, which of course forces Elon to double down.

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Smapty, you're projecting significantly on the yes men. These people did an interview that I thought was fairly responsible. They are putting their names out there for what?

Yes, we have a number of youthful people that may be doing the technical work. In today's world, with today's technology, they probably understand it better than you or I. BTW, I have no idea what type of database this stuff sit on; furthermore, I have no idea what language is being used on these systems.

Now, some of this AI I'm starting to see can easily sift through this stuff at rates we've never seen before. So, please don't underestimate the capabilities of others. It's not a very appealing trait…

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At the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally my field.

The database is irrelevant, it's SQL which is universal... it's understanding how (and if) the data is being used that's the problem. There is a LOT of garbage in old databases. To sort that out you need to understand the software using the database.

Almost all government systems (including the Social Security systems) are written in COBOL, an ancient software language that is notoriously hard to reverse engineer. Being a young, and especially elite developer, is actually is an impediment... elite developers are experienced with modern languages. Extracting business logic out of a COBOL system typically requires dusting off the retired developers who created it. More often companies just leave the systems alone and work around/rewrite them. (DOGE recently claimed that they're going to rewrite the entire SS system in a few months. Aside from that being hilariously unlikely, that's the reason why).

And no, feeding the entire codebase and massive database into the DOGEBOT 3000 AI and saying "ok, find me the fraud!" isn't a thing.

Elon is taking full advantage of the fact that no, most people clearly have no idea. But you trust any ridiculous claim he makes, so that's all that matters.

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I'm not going to try and say I understand technology as much as you; however, I'm certainly not a novice. That said, I'm certainly not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when comparing your knowledge to Elon.

No offense, I think we can all say his credentials are solid. That said, you may feel as if yours are better than his…. BTW, at the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally his field.

Who knows…. You may actually be the smartest person in the room.

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I never suggested Elon is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying he knows exactly what he's doing, which is bullshi**ing you.

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Like I said… you may actually be the smartest person in the room…

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Ok, I might be able to be convinced that Musk is actually a moron. Maybe you can help me out with an example from a couple days ago...

At a Wisconsin rally Sunday he said this:

Quote:

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"One interesting statistic was that 40 percent of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent, meaning that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior instead to go to a fraud ring."

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What the Social Security Administration actually said was that 40 percent of direct deposit fraud, one specific type of fraud, occurred via calls to the agency. That is not remotely the same thing as 40 percent of all 60 million annual telephone calls being fraudulent.

So you tell me... is he an unbelievable moron who understands rocket telemetries but can't grasp a basic SSA statistic, or is he BULLSHI**ING YOU?

I don't know, suddenly I'm torn.

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I'm sure you've never misspoke, right?

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It's not a single incident. It's repeated behaviour

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How do I know you haven't misspoke? You are not in the public eye everyday, right? If so, tell me your real name and I'll look for you online and/or TV...

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So you are now saying he actually was in MS13. And now more facts emerge. Turns out the judge in question is the infamous Boasberg, not an immigration judge as the original story would had us believe. Until/unless this matter is further clarified, the usual suspects have presented us with a nothing burger.

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no I'm giving you a reasonable assumption that if he is or was an MS team gang member it's probably because it's forced upon him because he came to th e United States seeking asylum and didn't have a criminal record for 10 years.

I know plenty of people from growing up in Durham that were part of a gang that are no longer part of a gang and have productive members of society decades longer than they were in a street gang.

Several of them served honorably on the military, some own businesses in Durham, one is a preacher. Gang membership is sometimes forced on you, I'm sure you don't get that but it's a truth

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I'm sorry, could you speak up? You were drowned out by the screams of Jamie Raskin and his congressional colleagues that all illegal alien gangsters be brought back to the US. :B

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I don't understand why you think the US shouldn't be 100% sure someone is a criminal before sending them to the worst prison in the world to potentially be killed. That upsets me, and it concerns me that you have zero care about these mistakes.

Knowing someone who was treated like a criminal, moved from detainment center to detainment center with no communication from the loved ones that they have here, and get zero due process, who came here legally and was doing all the right things to become a citizen of the country she loved, get deported for absolutely no reason. Is a schoolteacher. It's madness for what exactly?

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Agreed. I'm concerned that procedure be vetted and followed. This story seems to be as substantial as wet tissue paper, however, and I can't get worked up over it. Let's consider what didn't happen here. A U.S. citizen didn't get sent to that hellhole. Someone who wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got sent back to his country of origin. And under Biden, even the most vile characters could enter the country claiming asylum and they usually did, they were coached to do so, in fact.

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Insanity, but how dare we deport them!

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HE DIDNT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. He is most likely going to die in that prison. Callous

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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I believe he had an administrative order allowing him to stay in country while his asylum case was being decided. So yes, he was here legally. And he had an order to not send him back to El Salvador but we did, and now he's in a prison chock full of the people he was seeking asylum for.

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This administration or the last?

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So you are now saying he actually was in MS13. And now more facts emerge. Turns out the judge in question is the infamous Boasberg, not an immigration judge as the original story would had us believe. Until/unless this matter is further clarified, the usual suspects have presented us with a nothing burger.

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no I'm giving you a reasonable assumption that if he is or was an MS team gang member it's probably because it's forced upon him because he came to th e United States seeking asylum and didn't have a criminal record for 10 years.

I know plenty of people from growing up in Durham that were part of a gang that are no longer part of a gang and have productive members of society decades longer than they were in a street gang.

Several of them served honorably on the military, some own businesses in Durham, one is a preacher. Gang membership is sometimes forced on you, I'm sure you don't get that but it's a truth

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I'm sorry, could you speak up? You were drowned out by the screams of Jamie Raskin and his congressional colleagues that all illegal alien gangsters be brought back to the US. :B

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I don't understand why you think the US shouldn't be 100% sure someone is a criminal before sending them to the worst prison in the world to potentially be killed. That upsets me, and it concerns me that you have zero care about these mistakes.

Knowing someone who was treated like a criminal, moved from detainment center to detainment center with no communication from the loved ones that they have here, and get zero due process, who came here legally and was doing all the right things to become a citizen of the country she loved, get deported for absolutely no reason. Is a schoolteacher. It's madness for what exactly?

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Agreed. I'm concerned that procedure be vetted and followed. This story seems to be as substantial as wet tissue paper, however, and I can't get worked up over it. Let's consider what didn't happen here. A U.S. citizen didn't get sent to that hellhole. Someone who wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got sent back to his country of origin. And under Biden, even the most vile characters could enter the country claiming asylum and they usually did, they were coached to do so, in fact.

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Insanity, but how dare we deport them!

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HE DIDNT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. He is most likely going to die in that prison. Callous

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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I believe he had an administrative order allowing him to stay in country while his asylum case was being decided. So yes, he was here legally. And he had an order to not send him back to El Salvador but we did, and now he's in a prison chock full of the people he was seeking asylum for.

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This administration or the last?

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doesn't matter. They sent a man with zero criminal history in the US to a prison in a foreign country. You know who also did that? Stalin

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So you are now saying he actually was in MS13. And now more facts emerge. Turns out the judge in question is the infamous Boasberg, not an immigration judge as the original story would had us believe. Until/unless this matter is further clarified, the usual suspects have presented us with a nothing burger.

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no I'm giving you a reasonable assumption that if he is or was an MS team gang member it's probably because it's forced upon him because he came to th e United States seeking asylum and didn't have a criminal record for 10 years.

I know plenty of people from growing up in Durham that were part of a gang that are no longer part of a gang and have productive members of society decades longer than they were in a street gang.

Several of them served honorably on the military, some own businesses in Durham, one is a preacher. Gang membership is sometimes forced on you, I'm sure you don't get that but it's a truth

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I'm sorry, could you speak up? You were drowned out by the screams of Jamie Raskin and his congressional colleagues that all illegal alien gangsters be brought back to the US. :B

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I don't understand why you think the US shouldn't be 100% sure someone is a criminal before sending them to the worst prison in the world to potentially be killed. That upsets me, and it concerns me that you have zero care about these mistakes.

Knowing someone who was treated like a criminal, moved from detainment center to detainment center with no communication from the loved ones that they have here, and get zero due process, who came here legally and was doing all the right things to become a citizen of the country she loved, get deported for absolutely no reason. Is a schoolteacher. It's madness for what exactly?

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Agreed. I'm concerned that procedure be vetted and followed. This story seems to be as substantial as wet tissue paper, however, and I can't get worked up over it. Let's consider what didn't happen here. A U.S. citizen didn't get sent to that hellhole. Someone who wasn't supposed to be here in the first place, got sent back to his country of origin. And under Biden, even the most vile characters could enter the country claiming asylum and they usually did, they were coached to do so, in fact.

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Insanity, but how dare we deport them!

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HE DIDNT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD. He is most likely going to die in that prison. Callous

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Anybody that enters the US, without proper documentation is in fact, a criminal. I don't think the guy has a legal means of staying here.

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I believe he had an administrative order allowing him to stay in country while his asylum case was being decided. So yes, he was here legally. And he had an order to not send him back to El Salvador but we did, and now he's in a prison chock full of the people he was seeking asylum for.

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This administration or the last?

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doesn't matter. They sent a man with zero criminal history in the US to a prison in a foreign country. You know who also did that? Stalin

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So did FDR!

Did this person come into our country legally, in the very beginning?

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

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No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

---

No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump has to execute his work lawfully and constitutionally. Sorry if that's inconvenient for his agenda.

Looks like 3/31 post. Elon must be lying; I didn't hear that some was arrested for this.

🚨 ELON MUSK: "Someone is going to be arrested tomorrow. He actually stole 400,000 social security numbers & personal information from the Social Security database and was selling social security numbers in order for people to basically steal money from Social Security." pic.twitter.com/1hjl1Umcup

— DogeDesigner (@cb_doge) April 1, 2025

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Looks like 3/31 post. Elon must be lying; I didn't hear that some was arrested for this.

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Sounds like Elon walked it back.

"The wheels of justice turn slow, but they do grind fine".

ELON MUSK: “It’s deciding what should be prosecuted first because it’s such a long list.”

“The wheels of justice turn slowly but surely… the person that stole 400,000 social security numbers.. will be arrested hopefully this week.”

Arrests are imminent ‼️🔥👇🏼 @elonmusk pic.twitter.com/JCZC8plaLB

— TONY™ (@TONYxTWO) April 2, 2025

Poor CIV, he's getting his daily dose of ELON spinach, Q4845.

Insane.
Government employees deleted a terabyte of financial data to cover crimes.#ThesePeopleAreStupid pic.twitter.com/FbTdGM1pQk

— PatriotAsAMother 🇺🇸 (@battleofever) April 2, 2025

Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

---

No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump has to execute his work lawfully and constitutionally. Sorry if that's inconvenient for his agenda.

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Nothing you can point to says he has to spend every dollar allocated in an appropriation bill. If I'm allocated a budget to do a job, and I do it under budget, what happens to that money?

Civ, you should know this based on the industry you work in... You know under budget and on time...

If you’re unsure why Trump is setting tariffs unilaterally whereas Congress is in charge of taxes, it’s because on taxes the Constitution says “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,” whereas on tariffs it says exactly the same thing.

— Charles C. W. Cooke (@charlescwcooke) April 2, 2025

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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Good ol' Civ... please remind him that I felt every single bit of the impact when the very first thing the last administration did was to intentionally tank our economy and our gasoline prices.

If someone is here illegally, then they are here illegally. I don't care if they tried to "play nice", while they were here or not.

And Civ and hokey pokey seem to be just fine with car dealerships being attacked, and individuals having their vehicles defaced by their leftist kooks brethren... that sht really shows you what a lowlife is.

Why does the right not ever do stupid stuff like that?

TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

Good ol' Civ... please remind him that I felt every single bit of the impact when the very first thing the last administration did was to intentionally tank our economy and our gasoline prices.

If someone is here illegally, then they are here illegally. I don't care if they tried to "play nice", while they were here or not.

And Civ and hokey pokey seem to be just fine with car dealerships being attacked, and individuals having their vehicles defaced by their leftist kooks brethren... that sht really shows you what a lowlife is.

Why does the right not ever do stupid stuff like that?

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Oh man, here we go with the price of gas increasing, that literally every nation in the world went through, as being some indication of an economy in the dumps. Forget GDP, wage growth, unemployement, consumer confidence, retail sales,or any of the other key indicators, because, GAS PRICES!!

Glad Trump has fixed the tanked Biden economy and it's in great shape for the foreseeable future.

And I already said a couple of weeks ago when GP or BBW tried to trot out that same ridiculousness about my alleged support of the existential problem for the US of Teslas getting vandalized that the vandals should be arrested and prosecuted according to their crimes. That's such an obvious conclusion and such a nothing-burger issue that I'd be embarrassed to continue bringing it up but here we are.

Any other existential problems we can address other than gas prices and Tesla shenanigans? Any ****** issues? Maybe eliminating pr0n in school libraries? Transgender, I mean, transgenic mice? Haitians eating the cats and dogs?

Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

Good ol' Civ... please remind him that I felt every single bit of the impact when the very first thing the last administration did was to intentionally tank our economy and our gasoline prices.

If someone is here illegally, then they are here illegally. I don't care if they tried to "play nice", while they were here or not.

And Civ and hokey pokey seem to be just fine with car dealerships being attacked, and individuals having their vehicles defaced by their leftist kooks brethren... that sht really shows you what a lowlife is.

Why does the right not ever do stupid stuff like that?

---

Oh man, here we go with the price of gas increasing, that literally every nation in the world went through, as being some indication of an economy in the dumps. Forget GDP, wage growth, unemployement, consumer confidence, retail sales,or any of the other key indicators, because, GAS PRICES!!

Glad Trump has fixed the tanked Biden economy and it's in great shape for the foreseeable future.

And I already said a couple of weeks ago when GP or BBW tried to trot out that same ridiculousness about my alleged support of the existential problem for the US of Teslas getting vandalized that the vandals should be arrested and prosecuted according to their crimes. That's such an obvious conclusion and such a nothing-burger issue that I'd be embarrassed to continue bringing it up but here we are.

Any other existential problems we can address other than gas prices and Tesla shenanigans? Any ****** issues? Maybe eliminating pr0n in school libraries? Transgender, I mean, transgenic mice? Haitians eating the cats and dogs?

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Did I hear something about a Liberation Day?

caryking said:

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Did I hear something about a Liberation Day?

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Yes, we just got liberated from not being in a recession. Good times!

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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Back to my 2nd and last question:

Is the young Doge team in on Elon's lie? Or is the team just a front, a fake?

I'm assuming the consensus of the 3 of you is that the $37T resulted from the billionaire class tax breaks? Or for some other reason?

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Again, is this a serious question?

It's a mystery for the ages how you can, on one hand, believe that the most likely explanation for a massive flood is the Illuminati controlling the weather, but then can't possibly see how Elon might have hand picked a bunch of loyal kids to do his dirty work.

Ironically, it sure seems like it's you (and Cary, etc) who have Trump Derangement Syndrome... anything involving Dear Leader completely shuts down your "discernment".

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Smapty, did you see my post above on the actual people on the DOGE team. These people are serious people. Not some random kids in the woods...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5218847-meet-the-doge-team/

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You're confusing the DOGE yes-men that Elon has placed at the various agencies to "co-run" them. Those are at least adults. The team of hackers he has going from department to department are most definitely a bunch of kids with checkered pasts more than happy to rummage through systems that they may or may not have legal access to in order to find "fraud".

Incidentally, any technical person who's ever been involved in any kind of merger and tried to sort through another company's databases and code knows how absolutely absurd it is to claim that they found massive fraud in (let alone could even comprehend) these gigantic databases and ancient COBOL(!!!) systems in a matter of weeks. I don't care how elite they claim to be.

As expected, when they do release "findings" it's comical, which of course forces Elon to double down.

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Smapty, you're projecting significantly on the yes men. These people did an interview that I thought was fairly responsible. They are putting their names out there for what?

Yes, we have a number of youthful people that may be doing the technical work. In today's world, with today's technology, they probably understand it better than you or I. BTW, I have no idea what type of database this stuff sit on; furthermore, I have no idea what language is being used on these systems.

Now, some of this AI I'm starting to see can easily sift through this stuff at rates we've never seen before. So, please don't underestimate the capabilities of others. It's not a very appealing trait…

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At the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally my field.

The database is irrelevant, it's SQL which is universal... it's understanding how (and if) the data is being used that's the problem. There is a LOT of garbage in old databases. To sort that out you need to understand the software using the database.

Almost all government systems (including the Social Security systems) are written in COBOL, an ancient software language that is notoriously hard to reverse engineer. Being a young, and especially elite developer, is actually is an impediment... elite developers are experienced with modern languages. Extracting business logic out of a COBOL system typically requires dusting off the retired developers who created it. More often companies just leave the systems alone and work around/rewrite them. (DOGE recently claimed that they're going to rewrite the entire SS system in a few months. Aside from that being hilariously unlikely, that's the reason why).

And no, feeding the entire codebase and massive database into the DOGEBOT 3000 AI and saying "ok, find me the fraud!" isn't a thing.

Elon is taking full advantage of the fact that no, most people clearly have no idea. But you trust any ridiculous claim he makes, so that's all that matters.

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I'm not going to try and say I understand technology as much as you; however, I'm certainly not a novice. That said, I'm certainly not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when comparing your knowledge to Elon.

No offense, I think we can all say his credentials are solid. That said, you may feel as if yours are better than his…. BTW, at the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally his field.

Who knows…. You may actually be the smartest person in the room.

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I never suggested Elon is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying he knows exactly what he's doing, which is bullshi**ing you.

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Like I said… you may actually be the smartest person in the room…

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Ok, I might be able to be convinced that Musk is actually a moron. Maybe you can help me out with an example from a couple days ago...

At a Wisconsin rally Sunday he said this:

Quote:

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"One interesting statistic was that 40 percent of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent, meaning that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior instead to go to a fraud ring."

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What the Social Security Administration actually said was that 40 percent of direct deposit fraud, one specific type of fraud, occurred via calls to the agency. That is not remotely the same thing as 40 percent of all 60 million annual telephone calls being fraudulent.

So you tell me... is he an unbelievable moron who understands rocket telemetries but can't grasp a basic SSA statistic, or is he BULLSHI**ING YOU?

I don't know, suddenly I'm torn.

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I'm sure you've never misspoke, right?

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It's not a single incident. It's repeated behaviour

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How do I know you haven't misspoke? You are not in the public eye everyday, right? If so, tell me your real name and I'll look for you online and/or TV...

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I've misspoken before. Not nearly as many times as Elon has made verifiably false statements. Most of DOGEs claims have been rolled back when proven untrue. He's a smart guy so at this point I can only assume that it is intentional

This story says The Atlantic story about the El Salvadoran man from Maryland who was wrongly deported is fake news.

https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-liz-wheeler-show/atlantic-story-about-maryland-father-wrongly-deported-is-fake-news

caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

---

No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

---

Trump is the only Republican that makes Democrats look fiscally responsible. All of his proposed cuts are more than offset by his revenue reduction plans. He's proposing to make the deficit even worse at a time where we are legitimately approaching a debt crisis.

IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

---

If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

---

If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

---

No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

---

No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump is the only Republican that makes Democrats look fiscally responsible. All of his proposed cuts are more than offset by his revenue reduction plans. He's proposing to make the deficit even worse at a time where we are legitimately approaching a debt crisis.

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Except that the stock market always does better under Dems, and since Reagan every Republican has spiked the deficit and every Dem has lowered it. Other than that you're totally right.

IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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Werewolf said:

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Back to my 2nd and last question:

Is the young Doge team in on Elon's lie? Or is the team just a front, a fake?

I'm assuming the consensus of the 3 of you is that the $37T resulted from the billionaire class tax breaks? Or for some other reason?

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Again, is this a serious question?

It's a mystery for the ages how you can, on one hand, believe that the most likely explanation for a massive flood is the Illuminati controlling the weather, but then can't possibly see how Elon might have hand picked a bunch of loyal kids to do his dirty work.

Ironically, it sure seems like it's you (and Cary, etc) who have Trump Derangement Syndrome... anything involving Dear Leader completely shuts down your "discernment".

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Smapty, did you see my post above on the actual people on the DOGE team. These people are serious people. Not some random kids in the woods...

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5218847-meet-the-doge-team/

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You're confusing the DOGE yes-men that Elon has placed at the various agencies to "co-run" them. Those are at least adults. The team of hackers he has going from department to department are most definitely a bunch of kids with checkered pasts more than happy to rummage through systems that they may or may not have legal access to in order to find "fraud".

Incidentally, any technical person who's ever been involved in any kind of merger and tried to sort through another company's databases and code knows how absolutely absurd it is to claim that they found massive fraud in (let alone could even comprehend) these gigantic databases and ancient COBOL(!!!) systems in a matter of weeks. I don't care how elite they claim to be.

As expected, when they do release "findings" it's comical, which of course forces Elon to double down.

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Smapty, you're projecting significantly on the yes men. These people did an interview that I thought was fairly responsible. They are putting their names out there for what?

Yes, we have a number of youthful people that may be doing the technical work. In today's world, with today's technology, they probably understand it better than you or I. BTW, I have no idea what type of database this stuff sit on; furthermore, I have no idea what language is being used on these systems.

Now, some of this AI I'm starting to see can easily sift through this stuff at rates we've never seen before. So, please don't underestimate the capabilities of others. It's not a very appealing trait…

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At the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally my field.

The database is irrelevant, it's SQL which is universal... it's understanding how (and if) the data is being used that's the problem. There is a LOT of garbage in old databases. To sort that out you need to understand the software using the database.

Almost all government systems (including the Social Security systems) are written in COBOL, an ancient software language that is notoriously hard to reverse engineer. Being a young, and especially elite developer, is actually is an impediment... elite developers are experienced with modern languages. Extracting business logic out of a COBOL system typically requires dusting off the retired developers who created it. More often companies just leave the systems alone and work around/rewrite them. (DOGE recently claimed that they're going to rewrite the entire SS system in a few months. Aside from that being hilariously unlikely, that's the reason why).

And no, feeding the entire codebase and massive database into the DOGEBOT 3000 AI and saying "ok, find me the fraud!" isn't a thing.

Elon is taking full advantage of the fact that no, most people clearly have no idea. But you trust any ridiculous claim he makes, so that's all that matters.

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I'm not going to try and say I understand technology as much as you; however, I'm certainly not a novice. That said, I'm certainly not going to give you the benefit of the doubt when comparing your knowledge to Elon.

No offense, I think we can all say his credentials are solid. That said, you may feel as if yours are better than his…. BTW, at the risk of sounding (gasp) condescending, give me a break, this is literally his field.

Who knows…. You may actually be the smartest person in the room.

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I never suggested Elon is a moron who doesn't know what he's doing. I'm saying he knows exactly what he's doing, which is bullshi**ing you.

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Like I said… you may actually be the smartest person in the room…

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Ok, I might be able to be convinced that Musk is actually a moron. Maybe you can help me out with an example from a couple days ago...

At a Wisconsin rally Sunday he said this:

Quote:

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"One interesting statistic was that 40 percent of the calls into Social Security were fraudulent, meaning that it was someone trying to get a Social Security payment that was going to a senior instead to go to a fraud ring."

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What the Social Security Administration actually said was that 40 percent of direct deposit fraud, one specific type of fraud, occurred via calls to the agency. That is not remotely the same thing as 40 percent of all 60 million annual telephone calls being fraudulent.

So you tell me... is he an unbelievable moron who understands rocket telemetries but can't grasp a basic SSA statistic, or is he BULLSHI**ING YOU?

I don't know, suddenly I'm torn.

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I'm sure you've never misspoke, right?

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It's not a single incident. It's repeated behaviour

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How do I know you haven't misspoke? You are not in the public eye everyday, right? If so, tell me your real name and I'll look for you online and/or TV...

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I've misspoken before. Not nearly as many times as Elon has made verifiably false statements. Most of DOGEs claims have been rolled back when proven untrue. He's a smart guy so at this point I can only assume that it is intentional

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How does anyone know that you haven't misspoken as many times as Elon?

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

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No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump is the only Republican that makes Democrats look fiscally responsible. All of his proposed cuts are more than offset by his revenue reduction plans. He's proposing to make the deficit even worse at a time where we are legitimately approaching a debt crisis.

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We have been in a debt crises for 20 years!

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

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No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump is the only Republican that makes Democrats look fiscally responsible. All of his proposed cuts are more than offset by his revenue reduction plans. He's proposing to make the deficit even worse at a time where we are legitimately approaching a debt crisis.

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Except that the stock market always does better under Dems, and since Reagan every Republican has spiked the deficit and every Dem has lowered it. Other than that you're totally right.

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Wow! Such misinformation…

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IseWolf22 said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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TheStorm said:

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Civilized said:

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but we're all left to pick up the pieces.

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See. This is a joke, right?

So far, I see no pieces that need picked up.

You guys feign that the world is coming to an end, but so far what has really changed other than gas prices and grocery prices dropping a little bit. Where exactly is all this doom that you say is happening?

Hasn't. Happened. Yet. (and probably won't either)

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If your litmus test is "my world in eastern NC didn't end in the last two months because [whatever DOGE nonsense] happened," that leaves a fair gap in the analysis, no?

You're not going to feel cutting billions in public health funding until the next pandemic.

You're not going to feel cuts in vaccine delivery to African nations, even if millions more cases of malaria, or MMR, or HIV/AIDS result.

You're not going to feel Park Service cuts until you walk the poorly maintained trail down into the Grand Canyon.

You're not going to feel cuts to the CFPB unless you're one of the unlucky Americans that fall victim to fraudsters or get taken advantage of by nefarious lenders.

I could keep going, but you get the point.

None of these cuts, or many of the others implemented by DOGE, will be felt by most Americans. And that analysis falls woefully short of the comprehensive analysis needed to determine if a cut is prudent or impactful in the big big world.

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If we keep spending the way we have, YES!!!! Eastern NC will feel it. In fact they have been feeling for a long time. Unfortunately, it's been a slow change, therefore, people don't see it as a hard hit.

How many people today can afford to live on a single income, compared to 40 - 50 years ago?

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No one aligned with this current administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficits and spending all while cutting taxes for the rich.

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No one aligned with the previous administration has a leg to stand on chirping about deficit and spending all while maintaining the so-called tax cuts for the rich!

Civ, that is such a hallow post! I have said multiple times that both parties have spent like drunken sailors. We didn't get this deficit spending leading to our debt by a single party!

What's also rich is all the Dems stopping any and all proposed spending cuts via the court system. How many times have you heard a government employee say something like the following:

I have to spend my budgeted money or I'll lose it next year!!!

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Trump is the only Republican that makes Democrats look fiscally responsible. All of his proposed cuts are more than offset by his revenue reduction plans. He's proposing to make the deficit even worse at a time where we are legitimately approaching a debt crisis.

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We have been in a debt crises for 20 years!

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Not even close to now. Interest payments vs GDP is the measure that matter most. We've reached levels not seen in 30 years and are still getting worse. Trumps stated fiscal plans are going to accelerate this further.

If you care about debt, y'all should have thrown Trump out for an actual conservative.

Edit to add this graph
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYOIGDA188S

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Did I hear something about a Liberation Day?

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Yes, we just got liberated from not being in a recession. Good times!

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Trump's reciprocal tariffs:
1) Impose hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes on Americans without public/congressional input
2) Are based on secret calculations that have little, if any, connection to actual foreign trade barriers
3) Ignore all US tariff/non-tariff…

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) April 2, 2025

Biggest winner on Liberation Day? China, just in time to help their faltering economy

hokiewolf said:

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SmaptyWolf said:

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caryking said:

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Did I hear something about a Liberation Day?

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Yes, we just got liberated from not being in a recession. Good times!

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Trump's reciprocal tariffs:
1) Impose hundreds of billions of dollars in new taxes on Americans without public/congressional input
2) Are based on secret calculations that have little, if any, connection to actual foreign trade barriers
3) Ignore all US tariff/non-tariff…

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) April 2, 2025

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Get onboard… it's happening