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Oldsouljer
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packgrad said:


About damned time. I've gotta go down there this summer for a new ID card and I'm sure I'll get a rash of $h/+ when I insist on calling it that. I already got a sour look from some officious little REMF last time I was down there, for calling it Fort Fliberty-Jiberty. Of course, I don't know WTH is Roland Bragg. It used to be named after Braxton Bragg.
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Oldsouljer said:

packgrad said:


About damned time. I've gotta go down there this summer for a new ID card and I'm sure I'll get a rash of $h/+ when I insist on calling it that. I already got a sour look from some officious little REMF last time I was down there, for calling it Fort Fliberty-Jiberty. Of course, I don't know WTH is Roland Bragg. It used to be named after Braxton Bragg.
"Hegseth is renaming it Fort Bragg, but it will be named not after Confederate General Braxton Bragg but rather after WWII Battle of the Bulge hero & Silver Star recipient Private First Class Roland Bragg."

Very RINO of Hegseth not to return the naming rights back to the Confederacy
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hokiewolf
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"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government
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Poor hokie.
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Trigger warning for the usuals.

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hokiewolf said:

Oldsouljer said:

packgrad said:


About damned time. I've gotta go down there this summer for a new ID card and I'm sure I'll get a rash of $h/+ when I insist on calling it that. I already got a sour look from some officious little REMF last time I was down there, for calling it Fort Fliberty-Jiberty. Of course, I don't know WTH is Roland Bragg. It used to be named after Braxton Bragg.
"Hegseth is renaming it Fort Bragg, but it will be named not after Confederate General Braxton Bragg but rather after WWII Battle of the Bulge hero & Silver Star recipient Private First Class Roland Bragg."

Very RINO of Hegseth not to return the naming rights back to the Confederacy
Cute. That said, Bragg wasn't exactly an ace commander among the likes of Lee, Jackson, and even Joe Johnston for that matter, so it's also not exactly like his memory is being excessively diminished.
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that's a very good observation on your part
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hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

#Sieve, there will be mountains of receipts piled at the feet of you Democrats. #Corruption #EVIL

Remember Sieve what i told ya, #boomerang

i think the difference between me and Civ (not going to speak for him) and folks who are hanging on Musks every tweet is that although I think Musk is an awesome entrepreneur and a very smart person, and no doubt his people are very smart people, but I find it hard to believe that after 20 days, these guys have accessed all of the very large data bases and uncovered all this fraud.

It's just a fever dream to expect that it's just a matter of dropping the curtain and seeing the Wizard of Oz. Uncovering of real fraud just doesn't happen like that.

100%

I'd add that there are almost limitless inefficiencies that can be identified and eliminated or improved via a diligent and analytical identification process.

It's just patently obvious that so much of what we've seen is some combination of grandstanding, settling political scores, tone-setting, and power grabbing rather than actual diligence.

You simply can't jump into unfamiliar operations and undertake any sort of serious analysis of highly complex activities involving tens of thousands of staff in a matter of a few days.
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I'll reply briefly.
- Trump hasn't not gotten into the big money fraud and corruption yet, what he's gotten into is some of the govt sponsored media narrative and transgender LGBT
- What I thought good was that #Gobbler had observed how quickly the books had been opened for the USAID/CIA operation against the American people. :-)
- The disclosures of crimes against humanity, sedition and treason has not really started.........yet

EDIT: I'll add that Biden's presidency will be removed and all actions by the Federal Govt during this time as well. This will certainly go back into the Obama presidency and even the GW Bush presidency for different reasons. It is my understanding that there is even a possibility it goes back into the Clinton timeframe. I say this because 'Juan' says this as he sings "2020, it's not over yet".
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hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government



I'm surprised the spending wasnt mentioned in the maga minute.
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hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

Looks like DOGE found the money to do it from USAID…
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

#Sieve, there will be mountains of receipts piled at the feet of you Democrats. #Corruption #EVIL

Remember Sieve what i told ya, #boomerang

i think the difference between me and Civ (not going to speak for him) and folks who are hanging on Musks every tweet is that although I think Musk is an awesome entrepreneur and a very smart person, and no doubt his people are very smart people, but I find it hard to believe that after 20 days, these guys have accessed all of the very large data bases and uncovered all this fraud.

It's just a fever dream to expect that it's just a matter of dropping the curtain and seeing the Wizard of Oz. Uncovering of real fraud just doesn't happen like that.

100%

I'd add that there are almost limitless inefficiencies that can be identified and eliminated or improved via a diligent and analytical identification process.

It's just patently obvious that so much of what we've seen is some combination of grandstanding, settling political scores, tone-setting, and power grabbing rather than actual diligence.

You simply can't jump into unfamiliar operations and undertake any sort of serious analysis of highly complex activities involving tens of thousands of staff in a matter of a few days.
You can if your goal is to dismantle the administrative state! I could do it faster…
Oldsouljer
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hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.
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Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.
It's typical of the liberal way… change something that has no valuable reason for changing. Once a change back is initiated, then it becomes the right has to spend money, push the change for change sake, type of talk.

Hokie, I don't know if you're pointing out a fact (cost of change) or trying to be on the liberal talking point…. If you can remember, did you post the same thing when they changed the names previously?
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Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.


Correct.
packgrad
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I'm sure you know the answer to both of those questions already.
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Civilized said:

hokiewolf said:

Werewolf said:

#Sieve, there will be mountains of receipts piled at the feet of you Democrats. #Corruption #EVIL

Remember Sieve what i told ya, #boomerang

i think the difference between me and Civ (not going to speak for him) and folks who are hanging on Musks every tweet is that although I think Musk is an awesome entrepreneur and a very smart person, and no doubt his people are very smart people, but I find it hard to believe that after 20 days, these guys have accessed all of the very large data bases and uncovered all this fraud.

It's just a fever dream to expect that it's just a matter of dropping the curtain and seeing the Wizard of Oz. Uncovering of real fraud just doesn't happen like that.

100%

I'd add that there are almost limitless inefficiencies that can be identified and eliminated or improved via a diligent and analytical identification process.

It's just patently obvious that so much of what we've seen is some combination of grandstanding, settling political scores, tone-setting, and power grabbing rather than actual diligence.

You simply can't jump into unfamiliar operations and undertake any sort of serious analysis of highly complex activities involving tens of thousands of staff in a matter of a few days.
I agree with this take. DOGE so far has won the publicity battle, but theyve basically just cancelled HR contracts. Its a good start, but doesnt really do anything for the long term. My main concern with them from the beginning would be the ability to have a lasting impact, not just a PR stunt. Its become clear with the USAID stuff that this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. So Ill continue to just watch and see which direction it goes.
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Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.
This. I'm guessing we didn't hear a peep when it was originally changed.
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packgrad said:

I'm sure you know the answer to both of those questions already.
I have my suspicions; however, I want to leave room for the possibility that Hokie has been consistent…
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Oldsouljer said:

packgrad said:


About damned time. I've gotta go down there this summer for a new ID card and I'm sure I'll get a rash of $h/+ when I insist on calling it that. I already got a sour look from some officious little REMF last time I was down there, for calling it Fort Fliberty-Jiberty. Of course, I don't know WTH is Roland Bragg. It used to be named after Braxton Bragg.
I have continued to call it Fort Bragg and will until I die. It was stupid to change it and Hesgeth should have gone back to Braxton Bragg. Yes he was a Confederate General, but when you start erasing history, it tends to repeat itself. The name was never hurting anybody. Just like the Confederate statues that were torn down including at North Carolina's own State Capitol. It never should have happened.
Being an N. C. State fan builds great character!
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For a group of people who sure like counting "wins" they just as much like propping up losers.
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wolf5 said:

For a group of people who sure like counting "wins" they just as much like propping up losers.
Honestly, what does this mean?
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caryking said:

Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.
It's typical of the liberal way… change something that has no valuable reason for changing. Once a change back is initiated, then it becomes the right has to spend money, push the change for change sake, type of talk.

Hokie, I don't know if you're pointing out a fact (cost of change) or trying to be on the liberal talking point…. If you can remember, did you post the same thing when they changed the names previously?
I probably didn't post about changing names, who cares. It was stupid then, and it's just as stupid now to do things like rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.

So if you guys just want to assume my opinions, then it's safe for me to assume that all you agree with Were that Jews are the reason for all that's wrong in the world? No one seems to want to challenge him on his antisemitism on this forum except for me.

I just would like everyone here to stop pretending that this dismantling of agencies is all about fiscal responsibility l. It's not, it's ideological. And hey, I understand why it's happening. But I don't pretend that all of a sudden Trump is a deficit hawk when he contributes 7 trillion to the deficit during his first term, and there is no real work that's going to done to address that, except the magic beans of "massive fraud" that at the end of the day, I believe doesn't exist in as high a rate as you guys think.
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In another effort to root out waste and fraud, the Trump DOJ is…dropping corruption charges against Eric Adams.

https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-indictment-109ef48bd49bc8adc1850709c99bf666

And not because he isn't guilty. From the memo: "The Justice Department has reached this conclusion without assessing the strength of the evidence or the legal theories on which the case is based"



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TVPack said:

In another effort to root out waste and fraud, the Trump DOJ is…dropping corruption charges against Eric Adams.

https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-indictment-109ef48bd49bc8adc1850709c99bf666

And not because he isn't guilty. From the memo: "The Justice Department has reached this conclusion without assessing the strength of the evidence or the legal theories on which the case is based"


At least they're rationally consistent that leaders that commit crimes should be above the law!
packgrad
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Fiscal responsibility.

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hokiewolf said:

caryking said:

Oldsouljer said:

hokiewolf said:

"The cost to rename Fort Bragg one of the largest military installations in the world by population will total about $6.37 million, according to a commission report. "

Got to think we're talking another $8-10M to rename rename Fort Bragg. Great job government

You don't like it, blame Joe Biden. It should never have been changed in the first place.
It's typical of the liberal way… change something that has no valuable reason for changing. Once a change back is initiated, then it becomes the right has to spend money, push the change for change sake, type of talk.

Hokie, I don't know if you're pointing out a fact (cost of change) or trying to be on the liberal talking point…. If you can remember, did you post the same thing when they changed the names previously?
I probably didn't post about changing names, who cares. It was stupid then, and it's just as stupid now to do things like rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.

So if you guys just want to assume my opinions, then it's safe for me to assume that all you agree with Were that Jews are the reason for all that's wrong in the world? No one seems to want to challenge him on his antisemitism on this forum except for me.

I just would like everyone here to stop pretending that this dismantling of agencies is all about fiscal responsibility l. It's not, it's ideological. And hey, I understand why it's happening. But I don't pretend that all of a sudden Trump is a deficit hawk when he contributes 7 trillion to the deficit during his first term, and there is no real work that's going to done to address that, except the magic beans of "massive fraud" that at the end of the day, I believe doesn't exist in as high a rate as you guys think.
I've done nothing but challenge Were's antisemitism. Most of the time I'm the only one, actually.

Anyway, you understand why MAGA wants to dismantle federal agencies, but you're missing the forest for the trees. They have control of congress and could do this legally. Instead we have Trump brazenly sidestepping the Constitution on a daily basis while congress shrugs, and he's preparing to openly defy the Judicial branch. Why do you suppose that is?

And have you really thought through what's going to happen next?
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caryking said:

wolf5 said:

For a group of people who sure like counting "wins" they just as much like propping up losers.
Honestly, what does this mean?
Could be wrong but my guess would be he's referring to the fact that Bragg as the loser as he was an atrociously bad general and tactician, was hated by his men, and only had command because he was buddies with Davis.
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packgrad said:

Fiscal responsibility.




Remember there's no fraud this is all a waste of time.
jkpackfan
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Think of how the poor folks of western Carolina have suffered and you have this ****.
hokiewolf
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Good fraud because he's a PATRIOT

Steve Bannon to plead guilty in border wall funding case
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jkpackfan said:

packgrad said:

Fiscal responsibility.




Remember there's no fraud this is all a waste of time.

I love y'all's made-up arguments.

Who's saying there's no fraud?

What most everyone is saying is maybe you should look for the fraud and eliminate the fraud rather than shut down departments without ever analyzing operations and then call it a fake "audit."
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