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I'm glad to see Musk has turned into a full-blown conspiracy theorist loon. Fits right in with his VP Trump.

I look forward to the day where DOGE publishes their findings from the Social Security database showing that Democrats are receiving the lion's share illegal benefits.

Of course, we all know that's not going to happen and this is more gas can bull**** from Musk that he's lobbing into the campfire just for fun.

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You guys still think that parroting the smear "conspiracy theorist" is effective at "refuting" an argument and "winning" the argument for the commie Leftist position. LOLOLOL

Newsflash....with Trump, the "conspiracy theorist" view on a wide range of issues has now taken over the conservative, right-wing movement, and the Republican party...to a large extent. For example, look at how the Marxist Left is now demonizing RFK Jr. as a "conspiracy loon" for his anti-Establishment positions against vaccines, Big Pharma, Big Food, etc.

The "conspiracy theorists" are winning the culture war. The Marxist Left is losing.

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Leaving aside Elon's endless firehose of conspiratorial nonsense, I think we will all sleep better knowing that a team of 20 year old DOGEbags now have access to all of your personal data.

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Can you do anything other than parrot the lame false arguments of hacks and frauds like Pocahontas, Bernie, and the commie libtard talking head puppets in the Lamestream media?

Trump and the Executive Branch 100% have full Constitutional authority to audit other parts of the executive branch of government. And Trump can hire WHOEVER he wants to head other sub-agencies of the executive branch (with advise and consent of Senate where needed).

The Treasury Department is part of the Executive Branch of the Federal government.

In what universe does the Executive Branch not have authority to audit itself??? In commie Democrat coo-coo land.

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Don't we have an exiled citizen that had his hands all over personal data? You know, Patriot Act data?

The Trump administration is throwing more Pentagon reporters out of their workspaces

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/wireStory/trump-administration-throwing-pentagon-reporters-workspaces-118596401
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President Trump dunks on the fake MSM, again.

LOL, #Sieve, you're quite the comedian. The matrix you reside in overpowers you.

The iceberg is HUGE; at what point are you going to realize you cannot make excuses.

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Werewolf said:

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#Sieve, it's the very tiny tip of the iceberg. TINY, Sieve.

The reason the radical Dems don’t want an audit of social security fraud is because they’re the ones getting it … https://t.co/zLDCxNRj6J

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 9, 2025

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I'm glad to see Musk has turned into a full-blown conspiracy theorist loon. Fits right in with his VP Trump.

I look forward to the day where DOGE publishes their findings from the Social Security database showing that Democrats are receiving the lion's share illegal benefits.

Of course, we all know that's not going to happen and this is more gas can bull**** from Musk that he's lobbing into the campfire just for fun.

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Civ, let's say I agree with you about Musk. Trust me, I'm not the biggest fan as I think he could be an opportunist…. That said, he has built some very interesting businesses. Heck, you might even own one of his cars…

That said, do you want to know if we have any fraud in the system? I don't know if it's true; however, one report and parroted by Senator Kennedy (LA) said we had 6 1/2 million people receiving Social Security benefits that are 112 or older. Someone needs to look at this for fraud.

Don't you doubt that we have 6 1/2 million US Citizens that are 112 or older?

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Let me say unequivocally so it's never questioned - I hope ALL fraud gets rooted out no matter who it's being perpetrated by - left, right, center - doesn't matter. Root it all out. Eliminate it, and if there was any criminal behavior that precipitated the fraud/malfeasance, hold those that perpetrated the crime fully responsible.

That said, I will absolutely shocked if, when the rubber hits the road, 6,500 or 65,000 people committed fraud and received consequential illegal SS benefits because they're listed as 112 or older, much less 6.5 million people. And I'll be flabbergasted if it turns out to be some sort of nefarious Democrat plot.

Here's the way the malfeasance investigation funnel has historically looked:

In Fiscal Year 2022, the SSA OIG received over 100,000 fraud allegations.

Of these, OIG agents opened around 7,400 criminal investigations.

About 850 people were convicted for Social Security fraud that year.

Only a tiny fraction of fraud accusations bear out.

And I literally haven't seen one of these farfetched Musk/DOGE/rando loon fraud accusations on social media that isn't disproven in minutes or hours.

All this USAID stuff is case in point - actors receiving tens of millions from USAID, Jeff Epstein receiving it, Chelsea Clinton... - all of this is fantasy. There hasn't been any corroborated fraud that's come to light (yet), just money spent on things that you or I wouldn't spend it on. That's not fraud.

So yes, shake the "Millions of 112 year old Democrats receiving fraudulent SS benefits" tree and see what falls out. Just don't be shocked when what falls out is nothing like what Musk is pretending it is.

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Werewolf said:

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"Every Canadian is an American," says retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely. His words echo true under the sense America's Founding Fathers published the Articles of Confederation on November 15, 1777. As a history lesson, Article 11 expressly invites the colony of Canada forth for integration into our Great Nation as our largest, northern State.

“Every Canadian is an American,” says retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely. His words echo true under the sense America’s Founding Fathers published the Articles of Confederation on November 15, 1777. As a history lesson, Article 11 expressly invites the colony of Canada…

— Lugnatious (@Lugnatious) December 13, 2024

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Were, what exactly are you wanting people to do with this nugget of information?

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Simply that the offer to become the 51st state has existed for nearly 250 years and it has been perceived to be logical and rational idea. General Vallely thought it was worth sharing and relative to current events. We can get into the US Corp and Trump's EO relative to election interference but it's not a discussion this board is ready for. Time will tell. I'm sure you know the General as a Fox News guest.

#daGobbler is hoping he can hide behind a judge like the blocking access to Treasury Dept files. You know #daGobbler loves funding wars and death and injury as much as anybody!

🚨 BREAKING: Speaker Johnson and Donald Trump want a full audit of all U.S. funds sent to Ukraine. The American people deserve transparency!

Do you support this?

YES or NO?

If YES, I’ll follow you back! 🇺🇸 pic.twitter.com/NNbF775Xbf

— JD Vance News (@JDVanceNew) February 10, 2025

fact v. trump fiction in panamahttps://t.co/GoKmbwRISU

— MaryAnastasiaO'Grady (@MaryAnastasiaOG) February 9, 2025

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Werewolf said:

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"Every Canadian is an American," says retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely. His words echo true under the sense America's Founding Fathers published the Articles of Confederation on November 15, 1777. As a history lesson, Article 11 expressly invites the colony of Canada forth for integration into our Great Nation as our largest, northern State.

“Every Canadian is an American,” says retired US Army Major General Paul Vallely. His words echo true under the sense America’s Founding Fathers published the Articles of Confederation on November 15, 1777. As a history lesson, Article 11 expressly invites the colony of Canada…

— Lugnatious (@Lugnatious) December 13, 2024

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Were, what exactly are you wanting people to do with this nugget of information?

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Simply that the offer to become the 51st state has existed for nearly 250 years and it has been perceived to be logical and rational idea. General Vallely thought it was worth sharing and relative to current events. We can get into the US Corp and Trump's EO relative to election interference but it's not a discussion this board is ready for. Time will tell. I'm sure you know the General as a Fox News guest.

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Now, that is a reasonable explanation. I appreciate it…

A question for Trump. Why is a trade deficit with Canada a problem now, but not if Canada becomes the 51st state? The same people and businesses would be buying and selling the same stuff.
It's a demonstration of why trade deficits don't matter - though no one ever believes it. pic.twitter.com/S6akK9bAUc

— Daniel Hannan (@DanielJHannan) February 9, 2025

#Sieve, are you in favor of Biden housing illegal aliens in our major cities with FEMA funds? If yes, please explain Thank you. ;-) #WatchSieveRun

🚨#BREAKING: Acting FEMA Director @FEMA_Cam says all payments to illegal immigrants have been halted after Elon Musk’s DOGE discovered $59,000,000 of FEMA dollars went to housing illegal immigrants LAST WEEK ALONE.

WE MUST HOLD THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE!!!!!!!

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! pic.twitter.com/pwIZ4dBZMa

— Matt Van Swol (@matt_vanswol) February 10, 2025

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caryking said:

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Civilized said:

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#Sieve, it's the very tiny tip of the iceberg. TINY, Sieve.

The reason the radical Dems don’t want an audit of social security fraud is because they’re the ones getting it … https://t.co/zLDCxNRj6J

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 9, 2025

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I'm glad to see Musk has turned into a full-blown conspiracy theorist loon. Fits right in with his VP Trump.

I look forward to the day where DOGE publishes their findings from the Social Security database showing that Democrats are receiving the lion's share illegal benefits.

Of course, we all know that's not going to happen and this is more gas can bull**** from Musk that he's lobbing into the campfire just for fun.

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Civ, let's say I agree with you about Musk. Trust me, I'm not the biggest fan as I think he could be an opportunist…. That said, he has built some very interesting businesses. Heck, you might even own one of his cars…

That said, do you want to know if we have any fraud in the system? I don't know if it's true; however, one report and parroted by Senator Kennedy (LA) said we had 6 1/2 million people receiving Social Security benefits that are 112 or older. Someone needs to look at this for fraud.

Don't you doubt that we have 6 1/2 million US Citizens that are 112 or older?

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Let me say unequivocally so it's never questioned - I hope ALL fraud gets rooted out no matter who it's being perpetrated by - left, right, center - doesn't matter. Root it all out. Eliminate it, and if there was any criminal behavior that precipitated the fraud/malfeasance, hold those that perpetrated the crime fully responsible.

That said, I will absolutely shocked if, when the rubber hits the road, 6,500 or 65,000 people committed fraud and received consequential illegal SS benefits because they're listed as 112 or older, much less 6.5 million people. And I'll be flabbergasted if it turns out to be some sort of nefarious Democrat plot.

Here's the way the malfeasance investigation funnel has historically looked:

In Fiscal Year 2022, the SSA OIG received over 100,000 fraud allegations.

Of these, OIG agents opened around 7,400 criminal investigations.

About 850 people were convicted for Social Security fraud that year.

Only a tiny fraction of fraud accusations bear out.

And I literally haven't seen one of these farfetched Musk/DOGE/rando loon fraud accusations on social media that isn't disproven in minutes or hours.

All this USAID stuff is case in point - actors receiving tens of millions from USAID, Jeff Epstein receiving it, Chelsea Clinton... - all of this is fantasy. There hasn't been any corroborated fraud that's come to light (yet), just money spent on things that you or I wouldn't spend it on. That's not fraud.

So yes, shake the "Millions of 112 year old Democrats receiving fraudulent SS benefits" tree and see what falls out. Just don't be shocked when what falls out is nothing like what Musk is pretending it is.

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Great, I'm happy to hear that you don't mind shaking the tree. Hopefully, that's what the DOGE team is doing. Now, hopefully you have realized that I think the Pubs are as guilty as Dems in allowing the spending to get out of control. Yes, I think it's out of control.

This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

#Sieve, say 'it ain't so'. Come on, give us one of your patented spins. I actually enjoy them. Thanks in advance for providing us one more 'gem'.

Pam Bondi says Elon Musk and DOGE are doing a great job and that the reason they don’t want anyone looking into things like treasury payments is because they are afraid. pic.twitter.com/Fgm3IFxKso

— Insurrection Barbie (@DefiyantlyFree) February 9, 2025

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This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

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The bylaws of the Kennedy Center don't allow for Trump to do what he says he's going to do. I'll have to look for that article again.

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This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

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What does it mean for the country's foremost Performing Arts Center to be a "cesspool of insider manipulation?"

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caryking said:

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This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

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The bylaws of the Kennedy Center don't allow for Trump to do what he says he's going to do. I'll have to look for that article again.

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The Lincoln center is a Federally owned building and institution. If the President can't change the bylaws, then he should. If not, shut it down and sell the building. It's where the administrative state gets together and rubs each others back…

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#Sieve, say 'it ain't so'. Come on, give us one of your patented spins. I actually enjoy them. Thanks in advance for providing us one more 'gem'.

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Ahhh, yes, the scary "they."

"They" don't want people looking into treasury payments, huh?

If you poll Americans from all stripes and ask whether fraud should be eliminated, I'd guess that's an issue that gets as much bipartisan agreement as any issue out there.

So who are "they," exactly?

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Werewolf said:

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#Sieve, say 'it ain't so'. Come on, give us one of your patented spins. I actually enjoy them. Thanks in advance for providing us one more 'gem'.

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Ahhh, yes, the scary "they."

"They" don't want people looking into treasury payments, huh?

If you poll Americans from all stripes and ask whether fraud should be eliminated, I'd guess that's an issue that gets as much bipartisan agreement as any issue out there.

So who are "they," exactly?

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if you had listened to the audio its clear the AG refers to "Treasury" hiding behind this judge's ruling. Since when was the Secretary of Treasury or any cabinet secretary prevented from seeing anything he/she wished. Or in your case, let me rephrase to he/she/it and the other 97 genders.

#Sieve, your peeps are caught......as Trump said "we caught em' all'. It's election fraud too. My friend, you're gonna own some bad shi4.

#Sieve, your peeps didn't get him in Butler. Whatcha gonna do now, spin some more?

This story here should be getting all kinds of attention...we have a PA State Police Whistleblower alleging PA Gov Josh Shapiro & Ex FBI Director Chris Wray conspiring w/ Biden over the attempt on Trump's life in Butler, PA.
Check out this thread to learn more on the collusion. https://t.co/ZV5jM95ULs

— Capt #NotSure~ Abolish NATO ~ End Sanctions (@CaptainCrusty66) February 10, 2025

Time will tell if this is fake or not. What say you, #Sieve?

Hmm...
Just as the Philadelphia Eagles secure the Superbowl victory, a Whistleblower complaint is launched linking PA Governor Josh Shapiro to the Butler A$sination attempt on Trump of 7/13/24 https://t.co/EEaY04v7Lx

— wyliepanda 🌱✨🕊️ (@wyliepanda) February 10, 2025

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ou can't make this up. @RepRaskin, a career politician who has wasted OUR tax dollars for years, is now calling for a nationwide class-action lawsuit against @elonmusk and the Trump administration @POTUS

Why? Because DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) is EXPOSING WASTE & CORRUPTIONand the swamp can't have that!

Musk is identifying how taxpayer money has been wasted.
Trump created the tools to cut the bloat.
Raskin is throwing a tantrum to protect his gravy train.

Let's flip the script: Can WE, the American people, file a class-action lawsuit against Raskin & every corrupt Democrat for going against the will of We The People?!

Enough is enough. Repost if you're DONE with these corrupt politicians trying to stop accountability!

🚨 RASKIN’S CLOWN SHOW: SUING MUSK & TRUMP TO PROTECT THE SWAMP! 🤡🔥

You can’t make this up. @RepRaskin, a career politician who has wasted OUR tax dollars for years, is now calling for a nationwide class-action lawsuit against @elonmusk and the Trump administration @POTUS .… pic.twitter.com/EO8KNW754k

— Francois Leclerc (@f_leclerc20037) February 10, 2025

#Gobbler's gonna be really disappointed!

Defense Secretary @PeteHegseth: DOD Will Partner With Elon Musk and DOGE, Expect to Find 'Hundreds of Billions' in 'Wasteful Spending'

BARTIROMO: "Should we expect to find hundreds of billions in wasteful spending at the Defense Department?"

HEGSETH: "Unfortunately, I think so.… pic.twitter.com/uT38sS7ln5

— KanekoaTheGreat (@KanekoaTheGreat) February 10, 2025

https://share.newsbreak.com/bfqc8jjr
Tariffs on steel and aluminum imports

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This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

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What does it mean for the country's foremost Performing Arts Center to be a "cesspool of insider manipulation?"

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That performing arts center is nothing more than the place for high society types. Nothing would be better than to see that thing go private!

#Sieve and #Nappy, just one more thing for you guys to be proud of!

🚨 Shocking revelation: The U.S. government funneled $797 million to Guatemala, turning it into the Child Kidnapping Capital of the world. Over 190k Guatemalan children trafficked into America w/your tax dollars via USAID. @RyanMattaMedia joins us to break it down. pic.twitter.com/I4UcLJLFsM

— Redacted (@TheRedactedInc) February 10, 2025

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This is hilarious…

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/08/nx-s1-5290955/three-takeaways-from-president-trumps-kennedy-center-takeover

The railhead of Washington culture is at the Lincoln Center. Trump is inserting himself in the middle. Why? That place is a cesspool of insider manipulation. Change them all out!!

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What does it mean for the country's foremost Performing Arts Center to be a "cesspool of insider manipulation?"

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That performing arts center is nothing more than the place for high society types. Nothing would be better than to see that thing go private!

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Lol, jesus you guys are easy marks.

Great! I wanna report:

Joe Biden
Kamala Harris
Chuck Schumer

And the entire corrupt Democrat party that weaponized & abused the federal government for the past four years. https://t.co/n47rGm1K4B

— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) February 10, 2025

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They are hiding massive fraud and don’t want their grift to end.

This is how we know we are over the target.

Everything @DOGE does will be published for the world to see.

Let the public judge for themselves. https://t.co/q36fUeIT6a

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 10, 2025

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I'm really heartened to see that Dems have come around to seeing how evil government is.

#Sieve, there will be mountains of receipts piled at the feet of you Democrats. #Corruption #EVIL

Remember Sieve what i told ya, #boomerang

Just learned that the social security database is not de-duplicated, meaning you can have the same SSN many times over, which further enables MASSIVE FRAUD!!

Your tax dollars are being stolen. https://t.co/hSZdNY4wxf

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 9, 2025

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#Sieve, there will be mountains of receipts piled at the feet of you Democrats. #Corruption #EVIL

Remember Sieve what i told ya, #boomerang

Just learned that the social security database is not de-duplicated, meaning you can have the same SSN many times over, which further enables MASSIVE FRAUD!!

Your tax dollars are being stolen. https://t.co/hSZdNY4wxf

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 9, 2025

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i think the difference between me and Civ (not going to speak for him) and folks who are hanging on Musks every tweet is that although I think Musk is an awesome entrepreneur and a very smart person, and no doubt his people are very smart people, but I find it hard to believe that after 20 days, these guys have accessed all of the very large data bases and uncovered all this fraud.

It's just a fever dream to expect that it's just a matter of dropping the curtain and seeing the Wizard of Oz. Uncovering of real fraud just doesn't happen like that.