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Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
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hokiewolf said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
From Politico, not exactly a right wing publication
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135
I think the indirect funding leads to questions that Soros, Rockefeller and Pritzger need to answer for.
ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
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I don't know a poster on this board that is supportive on Jan 6. We all think it was a terrible day, in general. That said, I believe, that along with some Trump supporters, we had a number of people helping get the madness worse than maybe it could have been.ncsupack1 said:
I have never said anything about funding from foreign governments. All I've said is that many of these protests are violent and there are outsiders who are paid to protest have shown up. I've kept my discussion pretty basic and simple. BTW, don't lump me in with the whole Jan 6 or any other category. You are reaching there when it comes to me. What I'm comparing is the BLM and the current protests. Outsiders are involved in both and there similar patterns. If you fail to see that then fine that's on you.
All opinion!Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
Studying in a libraryโฆless vitriolicโฆ
Correct.
These are definitely, obviously, clearly less vitriolic than the Civil Rights era protests, Vietnam era protests, Rodney King protests, BLM protests, and many others.
It's why I asked what you were comparing these to.
I'm not going to act like these protests are the 2024 Watts Riots when they're mostly a bunch of pasty nerds doing protest re-enactments.
This is what protest very often has looked like in this country.
I wish they weren't protesting. I don't want another Trump presidency and these protests are not good for Biden.
And it seems like all over the country police and campus administrators are taking appropriate action, disbanding protest encampments, and making arrests when and where necessary.
So I'm not sure what you want here.
I am not surprised people are protesting a very tragic situation in the Middle East. This is what protests have long looked like in America. We have seen true widespread violence in political or civic protests at times in this country and these ain't that. Yet, the police are acting accordingly when they need to.
But all that aside I am definitely not persuaded Russia and China are using anti-Israel protests to somehow weaken America. Protests don't weaken America. They make us stronger, and further underscore the differences between us and undemocratic regimes.
I feel like some y'all are just butthurt that people made rightfully made a big deal about January 6 and you think I or other people are downplaying these protests. We made a big deal about Jan. 6, we should be making a big deal about these too!
The clear and obvious differences are that Biden did not call for these protests; that they cause or at a minimum are a symptom of electoral weakness for Biden; and most importantly that Biden is not trying to use them to overturn an election.
Debating whether these are a 2 or a 3 on the Protest Violence Meter is dumb and a waste of time. So is making nebulous and completely unsubstantiated assertions about foreign government involvement.
Pull on the sweater string with Soros if you want. I don't think there's anything there either; as Skins has said Soros supporting protests that weaken Biden when he's a big Biden and Dem supporter makes no sense. Neither does years-ago Soros donations eventually and intentionally trickling through to protests of a months-old war. But y'all knock yourselves out.
caryking said:I don't know a poster on this board that is supportive on Jan 6. We all think it was a terrible day, in general. That said, I believe, that along with some Trump supporters, we had a number of people helping get the madness worse than maybe it could have been.ncsupack1 said:
I have never said anything about funding from foreign governments. All I've said is that many of these protests are violent and there are outsiders who are paid to protest have shown up. I've kept my discussion pretty basic and simple. BTW, don't lump me in with the whole Jan 6 or any other category. You are reaching there when it comes to me. What I'm comparing is the BLM and the current protests. Outsiders are involved in both and there similar patterns. If you fail to see that then fine that's on you.
That said, my thinking could be revisionist history as well. Now, if we think outsiders were involved in some of these Campus protest, why would outsiders not be involved in Jan 6. Remember, Jan 6 was to be a day whereas Congress was to debate the electors and challenge the election, just like every election prior. The Jan 6 crap kept that from happening. Not what the Trump team wanted.
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ncsupack1 said:caryking said:I don't know a poster on this board that is supportive on Jan 6. We all think it was a terrible day, in general. That said, I believe, that along with some Trump supporters, we had a number of people helping get the madness worse than maybe it could have been.ncsupack1 said:
I have never said anything about funding from foreign governments. All I've said is that many of these protests are violent and there are outsiders who are paid to protest have shown up. I've kept my discussion pretty basic and simple. BTW, don't lump me in with the whole Jan 6 or any other category. You are reaching there when it comes to me. What I'm comparing is the BLM and the current protests. Outsiders are involved in both and there similar patterns. If you fail to see that then fine that's on you.
That said, my thinking could be revisionist history as well. Now, if we think outsiders were involved in some of these Campus protest, why would outsiders not be involved in Jan 6. Remember, Jan 6 was to be a day whereas Congress was to debate the electors and challenge the election, just like every election prior. The Jan 6 crap kept that from happening. Not what the Trump team wanted.
Some folks have a hard time with but Jan 6th. Not every counter argument has to do with that day.
Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
Studying in a libraryโฆless vitriolicโฆ
Correct.
These are definitely, obviously, clearly less vitriolic than the Civil Rights era protests, Vietnam era protests, Rodney King protests, BLM protests, and many others.
It's why I asked what you were comparing these to.
I'm not going to act like these protests are the 2024 Watts Riots when they're mostly a bunch of pasty nerds doing protest re-enactments.
This is what protest very often has looked like in this country.
I wish they weren't protesting. I don't want another Trump presidency and these protests are not good for Biden.
And it seems like all over the country police and campus administrators are taking appropriate action, disbanding protest encampments, and making arrests when and where necessary.
So I'm not sure what you want here.
I am not surprised people are protesting a very tragic situation in the Middle East. This is what protests have long looked like in America. We have seen true widespread violence in political or civic protests at times in this country and these ain't that. Yet, the police are acting accordingly when they need to.
But all that aside I am definitely not persuaded Russia and China are using anti-Israel protests to somehow weaken America. Protests don't weaken America. They make us stronger, and further underscore the differences between us and undemocratic regimes.
I feel like some y'all are just butthurt that people made rightfully made a big deal about January 6 and you think I or other people are downplaying these protests. We made a big deal about Jan. 6, we should be making a big deal about these too!
The clear and obvious differences are that Biden did not call for these protests; that they cause or at a minimum are a symptom of electoral weakness for Biden; and most importantly that Biden is not trying to use them to overturn an election.
Debating whether these are a 2 or a 3 on the Protest Violence Meter is dumb and a waste of time. So is making nebulous and completely unsubstantiated assertions about foreign government involvement.
Pull on the sweater string with Soros if you want. I don't think there's anything there either; as Skins has said Soros supporting protests that weaken Biden when he's a big Biden and Dem supporter makes no sense. Neither does years-ago Soros donations eventually and intentionally trickling through to protests of a months-old war. But y'all knock yourselves out.
Ncsufist said:Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
Studying in a libraryโฆless vitriolicโฆ
Correct.
These are definitely, obviously, clearly less vitriolic than the Civil Rights era protests, Vietnam era protests, Rodney King protests, BLM protests, and many others.
It's why I asked what you were comparing these to.
I'm not going to act like these protests are the 2024 Watts Riots when they're mostly a bunch of pasty nerds doing protest re-enactments.
This is what protest very often has looked like in this country.
I wish they weren't protesting. I don't want another Trump presidency and these protests are not good for Biden.
And it seems like all over the country police and campus administrators are taking appropriate action, disbanding protest encampments, and making arrests when and where necessary.
So I'm not sure what you want here.
I am not surprised people are protesting a very tragic situation in the Middle East. This is what protests have long looked like in America. We have seen true widespread violence in political or civic protests at times in this country and these ain't that. Yet, the police are acting accordingly when they need to.
But all that aside I am definitely not persuaded Russia and China are using anti-Israel protests to somehow weaken America. Protests don't weaken America. They make us stronger, and further underscore the differences between us and undemocratic regimes.
I feel like some y'all are just butthurt that people made rightfully made a big deal about January 6 and you think I or other people are downplaying these protests. We made a big deal about Jan. 6, we should be making a big deal about these too!
The clear and obvious differences are that Biden did not call for these protests; that they cause or at a minimum are a symptom of electoral weakness for Biden; and most importantly that Biden is not trying to use them to overturn an election.
Debating whether these are a 2 or a 3 on the Protest Violence Meter is dumb and a waste of time. So is making nebulous and completely unsubstantiated assertions about foreign government involvement.
Pull on the sweater string with Soros if you want. I don't think there's anything there either; as Skins has said Soros supporting protests that weaken Biden when he's a big Biden and Dem supporter makes no sense. Neither does years-ago Soros donations eventually and intentionally trickling through to protests of a months-old war. But y'all knock yourselves out.
So does the groups that are in charge of the protests being tied to hamas move the needle for you? They are the current American organizations that are the propaganda arm for Hamas. So in essence all those protesters and FUNDERS are provided comfort and assistance to a known terrorist organization.
Ncsufist said:Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
Studying in a libraryโฆless vitriolicโฆ
Correct.
These are definitely, obviously, clearly less vitriolic than the Civil Rights era protests, Vietnam era protests, Rodney King protests, BLM protests, and many others.
It's why I asked what you were comparing these to.
I'm not going to act like these protests are the 2024 Watts Riots when they're mostly a bunch of pasty nerds doing protest re-enactments.
This is what protest very often has looked like in this country.
I wish they weren't protesting. I don't want another Trump presidency and these protests are not good for Biden.
And it seems like all over the country police and campus administrators are taking appropriate action, disbanding protest encampments, and making arrests when and where necessary.
So I'm not sure what you want here.
I am not surprised people are protesting a very tragic situation in the Middle East. This is what protests have long looked like in America. We have seen true widespread violence in political or civic protests at times in this country and these ain't that. Yet, the police are acting accordingly when they need to.
But all that aside I am definitely not persuaded Russia and China are using anti-Israel protests to somehow weaken America. Protests don't weaken America. They make us stronger, and further underscore the differences between us and undemocratic regimes.
I feel like some y'all are just butthurt that people made rightfully made a big deal about January 6 and you think I or other people are downplaying these protests. We made a big deal about Jan. 6, we should be making a big deal about these too!
The clear and obvious differences are that Biden did not call for these protests; that they cause or at a minimum are a symptom of electoral weakness for Biden; and most importantly that Biden is not trying to use them to overturn an election.
Debating whether these are a 2 or a 3 on the Protest Violence Meter is dumb and a waste of time. So is making nebulous and completely unsubstantiated assertions about foreign government involvement.
Pull on the sweater string with Soros if you want. I don't think there's anything there either; as Skins has said Soros supporting protests that weaken Biden when he's a big Biden and Dem supporter makes no sense. Neither does years-ago Soros donations eventually and intentionally trickling through to protests of a months-old war. But y'all knock yourselves out.
So does the groups that are in charge of the protests being tied to hamas move the needle for you? They are the current American organizations that are the propaganda arm for Hamas. So in essence all those protesters and FUNDERS are provided comfort and assistance to a known terrorist organization.
Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
Gulfstream4 said:Ncsufist said:Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:No, Civ said that these protest aren't violent. Two different things here, don't change the subject.Wufskins said:ncsupack1 said:LOL...so assault on cops, over taking and vandalizing property isn't a big deal? Dude give it up, hell even your beloved MSM are reporting on the clashes. I thought you Democrats after Jan 6th were all about law and order?Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
Not violent? Have you seen UCLA or Columbia?
Yeah.
What are you comparing this to? Being at the public library on a Saturday afternoon?
Or other actually heated political/university protests in our country's history?
The insinuation on here that I'm responding to by Gulf - but others are also making innuendos - is that there is something larger at work here.
My question to anybody that's saying that - that no one on here can seemingly answer - is what exactly makes these protests look different than other protests in our country's past?
As hokie has pointed out many times and it seems like we all agree, a lot of these college kids seem like they're cosplaying actual protesters. A lot don't even seem to know what exactly they're protesting or to have a coherent message or 'ask'. They just seem like they want to protest something. The closest they've come is this divestment stuff that's nebulously impactful to the actual Israel war effort, at best. And they know they hate civilian suffering in Gaza - we all do. But just like every other country in a similar position, Israel defending itself is ugly on the ground and comes with tragic consequences for civilians that Hamas embeds themselves with.
This all seems far less organized, less vitriolic, and more mundane than the big protests in our nation's history during the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam, for example, or the big Women's Lib or LGBT or even the Rodney King or BLM protests.
It seems much more like Occupy Wall Street or Tea Party protests than any of those.
So again, what makes these protests different in y'all's eyes such that you evidently think, "uh oh, this could be bad?"
We are. And those on the left here have been critical of the protesters and supportive of the leo that are enforcing campus and city/state laws. Civ and myself are questioning this conspiracy theory tied behind some support from the usually liberal donors. It simply doesn't make sense for them to be supportive of this type of "movement." It goes against everything they stand for - keeping Biden in the WH and a majority in Congress.
Can someone please explain why Dem donors would support this stuff happening on college campuses and at Biden events?
I haven't seen him say that. And I'm not changing the subject.
Studying in a libraryโฆless vitriolicโฆ
Correct.
These are definitely, obviously, clearly less vitriolic than the Civil Rights era protests, Vietnam era protests, Rodney King protests, BLM protests, and many others.
It's why I asked what you were comparing these to.
I'm not going to act like these protests are the 2024 Watts Riots when they're mostly a bunch of pasty nerds doing protest re-enactments.
This is what protest very often has looked like in this country.
I wish they weren't protesting. I don't want another Trump presidency and these protests are not good for Biden.
And it seems like all over the country police and campus administrators are taking appropriate action, disbanding protest encampments, and making arrests when and where necessary.
So I'm not sure what you want here.
I am not surprised people are protesting a very tragic situation in the Middle East. This is what protests have long looked like in America. We have seen true widespread violence in political or civic protests at times in this country and these ain't that. Yet, the police are acting accordingly when they need to.
But all that aside I am definitely not persuaded Russia and China are using anti-Israel protests to somehow weaken America. Protests don't weaken America. They make us stronger, and further underscore the differences between us and undemocratic regimes.
I feel like some y'all are just butthurt that people made rightfully made a big deal about January 6 and you think I or other people are downplaying these protests. We made a big deal about Jan. 6, we should be making a big deal about these too!
The clear and obvious differences are that Biden did not call for these protests; that they cause or at a minimum are a symptom of electoral weakness for Biden; and most importantly that Biden is not trying to use them to overturn an election.
Debating whether these are a 2 or a 3 on the Protest Violence Meter is dumb and a waste of time. So is making nebulous and completely unsubstantiated assertions about foreign government involvement.
Pull on the sweater string with Soros if you want. I don't think there's anything there either; as Skins has said Soros supporting protests that weaken Biden when he's a big Biden and Dem supporter makes no sense. Neither does years-ago Soros donations eventually and intentionally trickling through to protests of a months-old war. But y'all knock yourselves out.
So does the groups that are in charge of the protests being tied to hamas move the needle for you? They are the current American organizations that are the propaganda arm for Hamas. So in essence all those protesters and FUNDERS are provided comfort and assistance to a known terrorist organization.
Civil is not going to accept anything that makes his team look bad without double copies, signed and notarized by Hamas and this must also include a short video with a time stampโฆ.only then, maybe, kinda, will he acknowledge anything you're saying.
ncsupack1 said:
I'll answer for me. I don't think it's tied to Hamas, I think it's just plain anti America. It worked during BLM, the protesters had support of Democrats then. Now they are probably confused.
ncsupack1 said:
It is very complicated but I wouldn't move to a country and demand that said country change its ways. The USA is a strong ally of Israel, that isn't going to change. War sucks, but demanding that a country just drop what they've always done is setting one up for disappointment. Heck, why aren't these same protesters not mad at the other countries over there that aren't taking refugees in? But you are right that there is a lot going on in this situation.
Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
It is very complicated but I wouldn't move to a country and demand that said country change its ways. The USA is a strong ally of Israel, that isn't going to change. War sucks, but demanding that a country just drop what they've always done is setting one up for disappointment. Heck, why aren't these same protesters not mad at the other countries over there that aren't taking refugees in? But you are right that there is a lot going on in this situation.
There are hybrid outcomes that could be effected by protest that are more positive for Palestinians though, like trying advocate for the US to lead cease-fire or peace talks in the region.
We've succesfully operated in that space on other occasions, and that outcome would be drastically better for Palestinians than continued war without asking the US to foresake its ally.
#Sieve lives in the proverbial ivory tower. So sad.Civilized said:ncsupack1 said:
It is very complicated but I wouldn't move to a country and demand that said country change its ways. The USA is a strong ally of Israel, that isn't going to change. War sucks, but demanding that a country just drop what they've always done is setting one up for disappointment. Heck, why aren't these same protesters not mad at the other countries over there that aren't taking refugees in? But you are right that there is a lot going on in this situation.
There are hybrid outcomes that could be effected by protest that are more positive for Palestinians though, like trying advocate for the US to lead cease-fire or peace talks in the region.
We've succesfully operated in that space on other occasions, and that outcome would be drastically better for Palestinians than continued war without asking the US to foresake its ally.
Nero fiddled as Rome burned.
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Nothing has changed. Skin color, wealth, class & priveledge insinuate them from the destruction and they continue to make ir worse.
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Because if the US doesn't perform this function, then someone else will fill the void like China. Do you want to live in a world where a communist country is the super power while the US shuts its borders?Ncsufist said:
Why do we care more about other countries than our own citizens? Fix our own issues and then we can afford to worry about someone's else.
Ncsufist said:
Why do we care more about other countries than our own citizens? Fix our own issues and then we can afford to worry about someone's else.
hokiewolf said:Because if the US doesn't perform this function, then someone else will fill the void like China. Do you want to live in a world where a communist country is the super power while the US shuts its borders?Ncsufist said:
Why do we care more about other countries than our own citizens? Fix our own issues and then we can afford to worry about someone's else.
