Should republicans move on from Trump?

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Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

PackFansXL said:

Civilized said:

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Civilized said:

Add this to Trump's list of accomplishments to consider when deciding whether to hitch your cart to his horse in 2024...

Potential disbarment of his buddy Rudy.

a New York appellate court concluded that "there is uncontroverted evidence" that Giuliani "communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020."

Given how unhinged and unbelievable Guiliani and Powell sounded as they tried to enable Trump's election fraud fantasies, this ruling sounds about right.
Civ, I'm glad this is so enlightening for you. I believe it is nothing short of a witch hunt!!! These people, in NY, need to be eradicated from society. They are low lives...

Four years of Trump's crazy lies about everything under the sun must have fooled you into thinking that people in power can stand in front of cameras in positions of power and influence and lie over and over and over without repercussions.

"The hallmark of our democracy is predicated on free and fair elections. False statements intended to foment a loss of confidence in our elections and resulting loss of confidence in government generally damage the proper functioning of a free society."

Very well said by the court.

This is no witch hunt. Actions have consequences.

The consequence of Trump's crazy conduct was an old and mediocre candidate beating him in the election.

Giuliani and Powell's consequences were billion-dollar lawsuits levied against them, and now evidently potentially disbarment. Their lies were extremely dangerous and damaging, and obviously ran afoul of the professional ethics they once swore to uphold.

There have to be consequences for that significant a breach of public trust.

Why in the world they thought their conduct would not come back to bite them will never be understandable. What, exactly, did they think they'd get out of their lies?


Hey Civ,

Ever heard of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barry Obama, Cuomo brothers, "news" anchors for any major network or cable channel, UNC-CH coaches and administration, etc.? Most if not all those individuals have continued to escape punishments or even much scrutiny while enjoying press adoration.

I agree that lies matter, but when there is an army of ink spewing minions twisting and turning every word into some imagined malfeasance, you are going to leave behind a bad impression, regardless of the truth. Let's at least attempt some balanced perspective here.

Definitely. Standard politicians, all. Truth benders/liars, all. Along with Ronald Reagan, HW, W, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Jesse Helms, etc. Lying politicians isn't unique to one side of the aisle. You don't hear me talking about "normal" politicians on either side of the aisle nearly as much because they're all within a standard deviation from the norm.

No other politician, especially President, on either side of the aisle in history has ever assaulted and damaged American trust in free and fair elections the way that Trump's ridiculous repeated complete fabrications about election fraud did.

It's impossible to overstate how much his completely baseless and self-serving campaign eroded, and is still eroding, faith in our system.
Notice how Civ only pulls out Republicans in his list...

Exactly. That was my whole point. XL's list had only libs.
He did that because of your ranting diatribe about Trump. I guess you just to one-up him, huh?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

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Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

PackFansXL said:

Civilized said:

pineknollshoresking said:

Civilized said:

Add this to Trump's list of accomplishments to consider when deciding whether to hitch your cart to his horse in 2024...

Potential disbarment of his buddy Rudy.

a New York appellate court concluded that "there is uncontroverted evidence" that Giuliani "communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and the Trump campaign in connection with Trump's failed effort at reelection in 2020."

Given how unhinged and unbelievable Guiliani and Powell sounded as they tried to enable Trump's election fraud fantasies, this ruling sounds about right.
Civ, I'm glad this is so enlightening for you. I believe it is nothing short of a witch hunt!!! These people, in NY, need to be eradicated from society. They are low lives...

Four years of Trump's crazy lies about everything under the sun must have fooled you into thinking that people in power can stand in front of cameras in positions of power and influence and lie over and over and over without repercussions.

"The hallmark of our democracy is predicated on free and fair elections. False statements intended to foment a loss of confidence in our elections and resulting loss of confidence in government generally damage the proper functioning of a free society."

Very well said by the court.

This is no witch hunt. Actions have consequences.

The consequence of Trump's crazy conduct was an old and mediocre candidate beating him in the election.

Giuliani and Powell's consequences were billion-dollar lawsuits levied against them, and now evidently potentially disbarment. Their lies were extremely dangerous and damaging, and obviously ran afoul of the professional ethics they once swore to uphold.

There have to be consequences for that significant a breach of public trust.

Why in the world they thought their conduct would not come back to bite them will never be understandable. What, exactly, did they think they'd get out of their lies?


Hey Civ,

Ever heard of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barry Obama, Cuomo brothers, "news" anchors for any major network or cable channel, UNC-CH coaches and administration, etc.? Most if not all those individuals have continued to escape punishments or even much scrutiny while enjoying press adoration.

I agree that lies matter, but when there is an army of ink spewing minions twisting and turning every word into some imagined malfeasance, you are going to leave behind a bad impression, regardless of the truth. Let's at least attempt some balanced perspective here.

Definitely. Standard politicians, all. Truth benders/liars, all. Along with Ronald Reagan, HW, W, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Jesse Helms, etc. Lying politicians isn't unique to one side of the aisle. You don't hear me talking about "normal" politicians on either side of the aisle nearly as much because they're all within a standard deviation from the norm.

No other politician, especially President, on either side of the aisle in history has ever assaulted and damaged American trust in free and fair elections the way that Trump's ridiculous repeated complete fabrications about election fraud did.

It's impossible to overstate how much his completely baseless and self-serving campaign eroded, and is still eroding, faith in our system.
Notice how Civ only pulls out Republicans in his list...

Exactly. That was my whole point. XL's list had only libs.
False. Your list was of "unbiased journalist" according to their descriptions from their MSM overlords....
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- Thomas Jefferson
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Frankly, I am astonished anyone would attempt to equate the lying Clintons to Reagan or either of the Bush presidencies. Clearly this is just a battle over Team Blue vs Team Red, facts be damned. It's really too bad politics have descended to team support despite the extremist positions taken by this administration. 90% of Americans should be offended by these crazy ideologies.
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Well... one side thinks there are 140+ genders, just tore down a statue of Teddy Roosevelt, follow a man that whispered to a press conference, BUILT statues of a man that had been arrested over 40 times, was a known drug dealer/abuser, had more than lethal amounts of narcotics in his system, worship the Marxist/Communist manifestos, tell us to "follow the science" but do not believe a beating heart means life....

Not sure what to do with that one. Oh... and they are against the 2nd Amendment... and their leader said that any attempt to overthrow the government would be met with F-15's and Nuclear Weapons...

Not sure how to even digest that.... but... considering some of the folks on the left use terminology like "high repeating rifle..." Pretty damn sure I'll take the odds on Conservatives in a battle to decide who runs this country.
Big Bad Wolf. OG...2002

"The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
caryking
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BBW12OG said:

Well... one side thinks there are 140+ genders, just tore down a statue of Teddy Roosevelt, follow a man that whispered to a press conference, BUILT statues of a man that had been arrested over 40 times, was a known drug dealer/abuser, had more than lethal amounts of narcotics in his system, worship the Marxist/Communist manifestos, tell us to "follow the science" but do not believe a beating heart means life....

Not sure what to do with that one. Oh... and they are against the 2nd Amendment... and their leader said that any attempt to overthrow the government would be met with F-15's and Nuclear Weapons...

Not sure how to even digest that.... but... considering some of the folks on the left use terminology like "high repeating rifle..." Pretty damn sure I'll take the odds on Conservatives in a battle to decide who runs this country.
Yea, science isn't science to these people... it's really scientism...

Also, think about what the president said about guns. If you think you're guns are going to stop us from tyranny, good luck... we have F-15's and Nuclear Weapons. If that isn't a threat, nothing is... If that isn't an authoritarian threat, nothing is... if that isn't a communistic threat, nothing is...

You know the funny thing about all this. There would be no Federal Government if the States didn't create it. Looking at it from that perspective, who truly should have sovereignty?
On the illegal or criminal immigrants…

“they built the country, the reason our economy is growing”

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They are doing nothing but splitting this country by race and urban vs. rural to keep power and rule over the masses.

The ones that follow that crap line of thinking probably wake up every morning eat crayons, lick windows and watch their media overlords tell them what to say on message boards.
Big Bad Wolf. OG...2002

"The Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
- Thomas Jefferson
 
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