Should republicans move on from Trump?

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cowboypack02
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I don't think that there should be a line item veto and it should be illegal to pass the omnibus bills. Our legislators should have to take a yes or no vote on every item within the bill. You want to give 500K for universities to study why lesbians tend to be overweight...pass the bill for it individually. You want to give a raise to yourself....take a vote on it. All the way down the line it should be like this
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cowboypack02 said:

I don't think that there should be a line item veto and it should be illegal to pass the omnibus bills. Our legislators should have to take a yes or no vote on every item within the bill. You want to give 500K for universities to study why lesbians tend to be overweight...pass the bill for it individually. You want to give a raise to yourself....take a vote on it. All the way down the line it should be like this

And under NO DAMN CIRCUMSTANCES should taxpayer's money go to support the damn Washington D.C. Philharmonic Orchestra or any of their other bull**** pet projects.

They want to have that **** as well as all of their other vanity projects foot the bill out of pocket. If I want to go to a concert I pay for the ticket.

They call them "starving artists" for a reason. They don't work. It's a hobby if you don't get paid for it. I wish someone would pay me to test out recipes on my grill but they don't. It's a hobby.

All the people on here saying defund the military should actually see what their lefty politicians fund. Do some research. The military is just fine and probably could use more money.

The artsy bull**** should NEVER be government funded. How many inner city kids, farm kids in Nebraska will ever benefit one iota from that? Now you let a foreign adversary decide to invade or launch bombs the military spending all of a sudden looks pretty damn smart and beneficial to everyone.

But with some on here they are waiting for the leprechaun to ride in on the unicorn dropping gold coins while the unicorn farts diamonds. Their leftist overlords have told them that's how things get paid for.
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82TxPackFan said:

There is not a leader in the whole group of RINO's - not one!

I hope Trump doesn't run in 2024 due to his age, but I also hope that whoever gets nominated picks up his platform. There are a good many rising stars who have embraced most of his America First ideas - Scott, Hayley, DeSantis, Noem, etc.


Only one is truly America Fist in that group. Nicki Hayley is NOT one!
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pineknollshoresking said:

82TxPackFan said:

There is not a leader in the whole group of RINO's - not one!

I hope Trump doesn't run in 2024 due to his age, but I also hope that whoever gets nominated picks up his platform. There are a good many rising stars who have embraced most of his America First ideas - Scott, Hayley, DeSantis, Noem, etc.


Only one is truly America Fist in that group. Nicki Hayley is NOT one!
I'd have to agree with you on both points. Both Haley and Scott would have at least some trouble in an NC primary, Haley with confederate heritage voters, and Scott who blocked NC native Thomas Farr's judicial nomination for seriously BS reasons. Actually, Haley has a second problem as well, people won't forget that she backstabbed Trump then tried to suck up to him when she realized how badly she'd stepped on it.
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Oldsouljer said:

pineknollshoresking said:

82TxPackFan said:

There is not a leader in the whole group of RINO's - not one!

I hope Trump doesn't run in 2024 due to his age, but I also hope that whoever gets nominated picks up his platform. There are a good many rising stars who have embraced most of his America First ideas - Scott, Hayley, DeSantis, Noem, etc.


Only one is truly America Fist in that group. Nicki Hayley is NOT one!
I'd have to agree with you on both points. Both Haley and Scott would have at least some trouble in an NC primary, Haley with confederate heritage voters, and Scott who blocked NC native Thomas Farr's judicial nomination for seriously BS reasons. Actually, Haley has a second problem as well, people won't forget that she backstabbed Trump then tried to suck up to him when she realized how badly she'd stepped on it.
Haley is supported by the big money Republican Party. She also is supported by the Club for Growth, Heritage Foundation and, of course, the Cheney's and Bush's...
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Any ticket with Haley at this point is not going to win. She is 100% in the "swamp."

Her shine has dimmed.

Desantis... he can pick who he wants. Let's let the SOCIALIST PARTY implode.... they are on the verge.
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Below is a good article that serves as a good summary of the points of concern I currently have with politics these days

https://thedispatch.com/p/the-danger-of-surrendering-to-populism
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The core problem afflicting the rightand to a great degree, the countryis that the elite surrender to populism.

Definitions of populism vary, but for our purposes it's best understood as the politics of the mob. The defining emotion of populism and mobs alike is passion, fueled by the invincible twin convictions that "we" are right and that "we" have been wronged by "them." It's a bit like Charles de Gaulle's line about the difference between patriotism and nationalism. "Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."
One could easily argue that Joe Biden fits this definition to the extreme. He has yielded any sense of who he was to placate the loud, passionate, and radical "Squad" within his party. The man in office bears no resemblance to the historical version of himself. Truly astounding changes and honestly terrifying to watch.
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hokiewolf said:

Below is a good article that serves as a good summary of the points of concern I currently have with politics these days

https://thedispatch.com/p/the-danger-of-surrendering-to-populism
Good article
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PackFansXL said:

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The core problem afflicting the rightand to a great degree, the countryis that the elite surrender to populism.

Definitions of populism vary, but for our purposes it's best understood as the politics of the mob. The defining emotion of populism and mobs alike is passion, fueled by the invincible twin convictions that "we" are right and that "we" have been wronged by "them." It's a bit like Charles de Gaulle's line about the difference between patriotism and nationalism. "Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first."
One could easily argue that Joe Biden fits this definition to the extreme. He has yielded any sense of who he was to placate the loud, passionate, and radical "Squad" within his party. The man in office bears no resemblance to the historical version of himself. Truly astounding changes and honestly terrifying to watch.
Oh, I don't know that I'd agree with that last part given that Biden has always wanted to be President to be President. Nothing else matters.
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AOC and the FLUNKY BUNCH are pulling the strings that Comrade Bernie and Pocahontas are instructing them to pull.

Anyone that claims that Sleepy Joe is a "moderate" is a card toting dumb ass.
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The thread started with the question: should Republicans move on from Trump?

Trump has his warts; however, the answer is "NO"
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pineknollshoresking said:

The thread started with the question: should Republicans move on from Trump?

Trump has his warts; however, the answer is "NO"
Genuinely asking: is there no one else, in your opinion, that can advance those Trump policies you find attractive without the warts? If there is no one else, then what makes Trump unique in that regard?

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bsorry11 said:

pineknollshoresking said:

The thread started with the question: should Republicans move on from Trump?

Trump has his warts; however, the answer is "NO"
Genuinely asking: is there no one else, in your opinion, that can advance those Trump policies you find attractive without the warts? If there is no one else, then what makes Trump unique in that regard?


Good question... Ron Desantes is an excellent choice. That being said, he has already made it clear that Trump is the leader of the party and will support him if he runs again.

Trump is the one that finally said, screw you to the establishment types and did something about it. That, in my opinion, gives him all the leeway.
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I'm actually a Ron DeSantis fan
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DeSantis or Abbott all day long in 2024.
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Going forward I'd like to see Trump as the leader of the movement, drumming up excitement, rallies, pumping money and endorsements, etc. However I don't want to see him actually run again. I want him to help prop up the candidates that will continue the movement. A guy like DeSantis can win with Trump in his corner. I feel like Trump should've been more prepared for the 2020 shenanigans. It's clear what happened and the manipulation with coronavirus and voting. What's not clear to me is why the GOP and Trump admin didn't do more to get out in front of it. Having said all that if Trump is the nominee and is running again of course I'll vote for him.
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ncsualum05 said:

Going forward I'd like to see Trump as the leader of the movement, drumming up excitement, rallies, pumping money and endorsements, etc. However I don't want to see him actually run again. I want him to help prop up the candidates that will continue the movement. A guy like DeSantis can win with Trump in his corner. I feel like Trump should've been more prepared for the 2020 shenanigans. It's clear what happened and the manipulation with coronavirus and voting. What's not clear to me is why the GOP and Trump admin didn't do more to get out in front of it. Having said all that if Trump is the nominee and is running again of course I'll vote for him.
I think the republicans like being where they are right now in the grand scheme of things honestly

There aren't very many born leaders in the world, and the republicans as a whole have a huge issue with that. There is not one there that really wants to take charge in the party leadership and would rather rake in the cash and be controlled opposition as opposed to actually being in charge and making a difference.

That's why I like DesantIs. You can look at what he is doing in Florida and see that he takes charge of the situation as a governor. Wish the republican party leadership could learn that from him honestly.

Unfortunately the democrats have that and they are excellent at marketing their ideas, regardless of how bad that they are. People are drawn to that.
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You just nailed it. I've watched the evolution of the NC GOP from the time they won the statehouse in 2010 when for a few years afterwards they actually cared about the opinions and views of their base (or Trump supporters if you prefer). Then their legislative leaders decided they didn't want to be interfered with by those pesky rank-and-file people and put their own people in charge of the state party so that they could take care of the people they really cared about, the Jones Street lobby crowd.

In 2015, a Trump-like upstart, Hasan Harnett, upset the applecart by winning the state chairmanship with 55% of the vote against Pat McCrory's handpicked candidate, and becoming the first African-American NCGOP state chairman, probably since Reconstruction. The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies. I've moved on to the NC Constitution Party and rather than raise the question, should Republicans move on from Trump, the better question should be "should Conservatives and Trump supporters move on from the Republicans?"
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Oldsouljer said:

You just nailed it. I've watched the evolution of the NC GOP from the time they won the statehouse in 2010 when for a few years afterwards they actually cared about the opinions and views of their base (or Trump supporters if you prefer). Then their legislative leaders decided they didn't want to be interfered with by those pesky rank-and-file people and put their own people in charge of the state party so that they could take care of the people they really cared about, the Jones Street lobby crowd.

In 2015, a Trump-like upstart, Hasan Harnett, upset the applecart by winning the state chairmanship with 55% of the vote against Pat McCrory's handpicked candidate, and becoming the first African-American NCGOP state chairman, probably since Reconstruction. The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies. I've moved on to the NC Constitution Party and rather than raise the question, should Republicans move on from Trump, the better question should be "should Conservatives and Trump supporters move on from the Republicans?"
I think the better question is whether the party should reject populism in favor of sound conservative ideals and governing
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Oldsouljer said:

The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies.
Just for the record, you know Trump gave that guy a full pardon right?
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Oldsouljer said:

You just nailed it. I've watched the evolution of the NC GOP from the time they won the statehouse in 2010 when for a few years afterwards they actually cared about the opinions and views of their base (or Trump supporters if you prefer). Then their legislative leaders decided they didn't want to be interfered with by those pesky rank-and-file people and put their own people in charge of the state party so that they could take care of the people they really cared about, the Jones Street lobby crowd.

In 2015, a Trump-like upstart, Hasan Harnett, upset the applecart by winning the state chairmanship with 55% of the vote against Pat McCrory's handpicked candidate, and becoming the first African-American NCGOP state chairman, probably since Reconstruction. The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies. I've moved on to the NC Constitution Party and rather than raise the question, should Republicans move on from Trump, the better question should be "should Conservatives and Trump supporters move on from the Republicans?"
Holy batman what a take. I think you're overestimating the power and influence of the state party's elected leadership. The powers-that-be (elected officials, namely) don't care enough to engage in a scheme to have the FBI arrest someone to clear the way.

Harnett's tenure was a mess. Any discussion about qualifications or his previous positions aside, he was clearly in over his head as chairman of the state party.

Mike Whatley, the dude that nominated Trump, is the chair of the NCGOP. I doubt that Trump would have let a "frenemy" do that. I listened to Whatley announce that the GOP was still "Trump's party" at the Johnston County convention a few months ago.
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Cornpack said:

Oldsouljer said:

The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies.
Just for the record, you know Trump gave that guy a full pardon right?
I'm aware but didn't mention it because it's a separate topic, although I can understand why you'd think I left it out because it does complicate the narrative. Huge mistake on Trump's part and I don't know what got him on Trump's pardon list. But then again, when you look at Trump's mistakes, they usually involved his acumen regarding people (Wray, Barr, Fauci, etc.)
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Oldsouljer said:

Cornpack said:

Oldsouljer said:

The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies.
Just for the record, you know Trump gave that guy a full pardon right?
I'm aware but didn't mention it because it's a separate topic, although I can understand why you'd think I left it out because it does complicate the narrative. Huge mistake on Trump's part and I don't know what got him on Trump's pardon list. But then again, when you look at Trump's mistakes, they usually involved his acumen regarding people (Wray, Barr, Fauci, etc.)
Amen to that.

Dude hired and retained the worse people that he could. He should of cleaned house the whole way around from the get go. He would of avoided a whole lot of heartbreak
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cowboypack02 said:

Oldsouljer said:

Cornpack said:

Oldsouljer said:

The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies.
Just for the record, you know Trump gave that guy a full pardon right?
I'm aware but didn't mention it because it's a separate topic, although I can understand why you'd think I left it out because it does complicate the narrative. Huge mistake on Trump's part and I don't know what got him on Trump's pardon list. But then again, when you look at Trump's mistakes, they usually involved his acumen regarding people (Wray, Barr, Fauci, etc.)
Amen to that.

Dude hired and retained the worse people that he could. He should of cleaned house the whole way around from the get go. He would of avoided a whole lot of heartbreak
Those are the warts Trump has. He had more faith in the establishment that he should have.

BTW, Trump wanted Wray gone; however, Barr threatened to step down. Trump knew he couldn't get anybody through congress; so, he left it alone... Thats a Peter Navarro nugget.
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Two days ago, the New York Times's Maggie Haberman reported that Donald Trump "has been telling a number of people he's in contact with that he expects he will get reinstated by August." In response, many figures on the right inserted their fingers into their ears and started screaming about fake news.

Instead, they should have listened because Haberman's reporting was correct. I can attest, from speaking to an array of different sources, that Donald Trump does indeed believe quite genuinely that he along with former senators David Perdue and Martha McSally will be "reinstated" to office this summer after "audits" of the 2020 elections in Arizona, Georgia, and a handful of other states have been completed. I can attest, too, that Trump is trying hard to recruit journalists, politicians, and other influential figures to promulgate this belief not as a fundraising tool or an infantile bit of trolling or a trial balloon, but as a fact.
I will say again, I liked much of what Trump did for our country, but I fear he is going to split our votes and give this current nutty administration a legitimate chance at retaining power in our coming elections. He seems to have lost his mind as much as Hilary did after her defeat.
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packgrad said:


LOL. I knew it was fake as soon as I read it... bet it will be all over CNN and MSNBC.
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hokiewolf said:

Oldsouljer said:

You just nailed it. I've watched the evolution of the NC GOP from the time they won the statehouse in 2010 when for a few years afterwards they actually cared about the opinions and views of their base (or Trump supporters if you prefer). Then their legislative leaders decided they didn't want to be interfered with by those pesky rank-and-file people and put their own people in charge of the state party so that they could take care of the people they really cared about, the Jones Street lobby crowd.

In 2015, a Trump-like upstart, Hasan Harnett, upset the applecart by winning the state chairmanship with 55% of the vote against Pat McCrory's handpicked candidate, and becoming the first African-American NCGOP state chairman, probably since Reconstruction. The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies. I've moved on to the NC Constitution Party and rather than raise the question, should Republicans move on from Trump, the better question should be "should Conservatives and Trump supporters move on from the Republicans?"
I think the better question is whether the party should reject populism in favor of sound conservative ideals and governing


Describe the populism, being said by Republicans, the party should reject, please
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pineknollshoresking said:

hokiewolf said:

Oldsouljer said:

You just nailed it. I've watched the evolution of the NC GOP from the time they won the statehouse in 2010 when for a few years afterwards they actually cared about the opinions and views of their base (or Trump supporters if you prefer). Then their legislative leaders decided they didn't want to be interfered with by those pesky rank-and-file people and put their own people in charge of the state party so that they could take care of the people they really cared about, the Jones Street lobby crowd.

In 2015, a Trump-like upstart, Hasan Harnett, upset the applecart by winning the state chairmanship with 55% of the vote against Pat McCrory's handpicked candidate, and becoming the first African-American NCGOP state chairman, probably since Reconstruction. The powers that be from McCrory to others like Tim Moore, Phil Berger, Thom Tillis, and the National RNC folks weren't going to stand for that so they trumped up charges against Harnett and in a secret trial, they had him bounced from the Chairmanship and immediately replaced him with an establishment hack who would eventually be nailed by the FBI for felony bribery, after they had Insurance Commissioner Mike Causey wear a wire to catch him.

That's how corrupt the NCGOP has become in just one short decade and the party leaders are basically Trump's frenemies. I've moved on to the NC Constitution Party and rather than raise the question, should Republicans move on from Trump, the better question should be "should Conservatives and Trump supporters move on from the Republicans?"
I think the better question is whether the party should reject populism in favor of sound conservative ideals and governing


Describe the populism, being said by Republicans, the party should reject, please
. Everything BBWOG has posted on this message board.
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TheStorm said:

packgrad said:


LOL. I knew it was fake as soon as I read it... bet it will be all over CNN and MSNBC.
Yep. Some people will believe anything, the New York Times even. On a serious note, the fact that certain people have been vigorously resisting these audits isn't helping. The whole country needs to have confidence in our election integrity that just isn't there right now.
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Really deplorable by both these platforms engaging in electioneering

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That's really the same thing as a lifetime ban, for practical purposes.
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Oldsouljer said:

That's really the same thing as a lifetime ban, for practical purposes.
Now imagine if Trump were black. Or Hispanic. Or gay. Or a Muslim. Or a woman.......

Since he is a straight white male nothing will be said or done because it is fully acceptable that you can't discriminate against straight white males.

What a damn mess the loony lefties are getting themselves in. 2022 will be the reckoning. 2024 will be the end of the leftwing nutjob party as we currently know it today.

Hopefully California, Oregon and Washington State will split into 7-8 different states and the GOP will only get stronger.
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hokiewolf said:

Really deplorable by both these platforms engaging in electioneering



They're a private company, if you don't like their policy then don't use them. That's the free market at work.

Just as a sidebar, and not addressed at anyone saying anything, I do think it is a bit of a contradiction that the Trump crowd (on the whole) simultaneously believes that both 1. All these private companies should be forced to provide a platform for everyone as if it is some violation of freedom of speech if they don't (f.o.s. only applies to the government limiting speech of course) and 2. These private companies shouldn't have legal protections under Sec. 230 which would make them legally liable for anything someone on their platforms says.
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