Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Excellent point. What it amounts to, apparently, is if the communist "fact checkers" or Marxist Lamestream media don't approve of it as being "true", then it is therefore "false information".

But this is not a rule here in the Water Cooler. It's just what Leftists here would like to implement....as has been done on multiple social media sites.

What it is is pure censorship of all views that do not align with the Leftist/Establishment agenda.

It has NOTHING to do with what is true or false. The Marxist Left (Establishment) is a Satanic agenda and is 100% rooted in LIES. If it's not a lie, then they don't promote it for public consumption, falsely calling it the "truth". All of the core agenda of the Left/Establishment is lies -- eg, 70 genders, homosexuality is great and should be taught to your children, an unborn child is not a human being, murdering unborn children is a "sacred right", God does not exist, we all came into existence by random chance after a big explosion, the official "covid" narrative, etc.

Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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That's a great question!!! Unfortunately, our board is very much like the general media. Only a select few get to determine the answer to your question...

Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Chem, does that apply to you as well?

TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

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Why should I be forced to put him / her on ignore when spamming is clearly against the rules? I think they even have an official "flag" for it.

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Chem, does that apply to you as well?

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Of course it does, we're all humans, and we've all become conditioned to get news as we want it....which is why i force myself to read CNN and watch ABC nightly news.
The danger are people who only get their news from one place or one "side".

TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

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Why should I be forced to put him / her on ignore when spamming is clearly against the rules? I think they even have an official "flag" for it.

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Storm, on the FB and BB forums, we have a person that is prolific in his post. Is that person spamming; probably not... Is he prolific? Completely!!! So, I chose to put that person in ignore.

I understand that is a difference; however, not everyone agrees that the person you are referring to is spamming...

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

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Why should I be forced to put him / her on ignore when spamming is clearly against the rules? I think they even have an official "flag" for it.

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Storm, on the FB and BB forums, we have a person that is prolific in his post. Is that person spamming; probably not... Is he prolific? Completely!!! So, I chose to put that person in ignore.

I understand that is a difference; however, not everyone agrees that the person you are referring to is spamming...

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Meh, when you continually post articles / links that say covid was not real and world class athletes are dying because they got vaccinations, etc...you are spamming.
I know we all hate the mainstream media, but the plethora of unchecked sources that internet allows is just as dangerous when someone wants to see a desired outcome.

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caryking said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Chem, does that apply to you as well?

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Of course it does, we're all humans, and we've all become conditioned to get news as we want it....which is why i force myself to read CNN and watch ABC nightly news.
The danger are people who only get their news from one place or one "side".

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I'm happy to hear you say that. I agree, it happens to me as well. That said, I like you, look at other news as well. Now, its difficult to watch other news because the argument (generally speaking) is emotional as opposed to facts. I consider Fox News to be an emotional network.

The biggest issue I have is that our institutions have rotted within. I suggest following Royce White and listen to him. He is running in Minnesota against Omar. He may or may not win; however, his message is very solid and has a similar view as me.

TheStorm said:

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caryking said:

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

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Why should I be forced to put him / her on ignore when spamming is clearly against the rules? I think they even have an official "flag" for it.

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I'm not aware of any such rule against "spamming" as you have defined it. When Steve laid out the Water Cooler rules a few months back, I do not recall any mention of a rule against "spamming". Essentially the only rule was against personal attacks.

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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Chem, I think you will find the majority of Americans want immigration to follow the laws and expect the government to enforce those laws. Yes, we have the people you are describing; however, aren't you doing exactly what you claim they are doing?

TheStorm said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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Honestly, I would consider that your average message board with an area for politics.

Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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It's also true that some people see someone post something against immigration and jump to conclusions that that person is xenophobic and racist. I think we all need to do a better job of expressing our opinions as well as understanding where we're coming from. Myself included!

Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Packchem91 said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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It's also true that some people see someone post something against immigration and jump to conclusions that that person is xenophobic and racist. I think we all need to do a better job of expressing our opinions as well as understanding where we're coming from. Myself included!

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Yes, and some people who posts those opinions about immigration ARE xenophobic and racist. I'm not speaking about anyone here...but come on, we know this is true, in general.
And yes, I know you disagree, but i believe this is the exact sentiment of the America First agenda that folks like Trump capitalize on...

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

Steve Videtich said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Packchem91 said:

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TheStorm said:

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packofwolves said:

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PackFansXL said:

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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For sure!

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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It's also true that some people see someone post something against immigration and jump to conclusions that that person is xenophobic and racist. I think we all need to do a better job of expressing our opinions as well as understanding where we're coming from. Myself included!

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Yes, and some people who posts those opinions about immigration ARE xenophobic and racist. I'm not speaking about anyone here...but come on, we know this is true, in general.
And yes, I know you disagree, but i believe this is the exact sentiment of the America First agenda that folks like Trump capitalize on...

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Wow...here we are having a discussion about our message board, how we can get along better, and better understand each other. And you can't help yourself but make a political statement in the middle of it.

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Oh please...you made a specific statement and I responded. If you want people to communicate well here, lead by example. Quit getting upset with posters who disagree with you and putting words in their mouth. Thats easy to control.

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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What do you consider it to be when someone just posts a link to a random article that may or may not have anything to do with a topic? Then what do you consider it to be when someone does that 10 times in 15-20 minutes on the same thread? Then what do you consider it to be when someone is doing that on multiple threads?

Would you consider that spamming?

Serious question.

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I consider that a person i may want to put on ignore...

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Why should I be forced to put him / her on ignore when spamming is clearly against the rules? I think they even have an official "flag" for it.

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Storm, on the FB and BB forums, we have a person that is prolific in his post. Is that person spamming; probably not... Is he prolific? Completely!!! So, I chose to put that person in ignore.

I understand that is a difference; however, not everyone agrees that the person you are referring to is spamming...

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The only issue I could point to with Werewolf is to provide some clarification and context to his posts. But, if doesn't bother me in the least. Sometimes it gives me a chuckle.

I will say that GP, whether you believe him or not, is somebody I still respect. He has taught me to try and understand where a person is coming from. Plus, he's consistent! I respect that. But, it's also why I ask a lot of question of people because I want to understand their POV. He's made me a better person, honestly.

We don't have to agree with everybody on these boards. We are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions. People are entitled to disagree with our thoughts and opinions too. Stop being Frances', LOL!

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From my perspective on what's posted, essentially every bit of info that each of us might share could still be viewed as spam. Maybe having the topic determined in a court of law renders it not spam.......it was proven and shown to be factual. I tend to provide info from sites that I have come to believe provide a semblance of truth.....and tend not to opine on my thoughts. The reason I don't opine as much as many of you is that it would simply be my opinion and I cannot - like almost all others - substantiate whatever it might be.

For instance, what's going on in Ukraine. Were you there to observe the bombing of that residential area? I doubt it. Were you there to witness the distribution of emergency supplies to the apartment complex residents? I doubt you saw it and if you posted a picture or an article it was subject to someone's preparation of the content. Just like the White Hats in Syria.............much was observed as being staged.....but most was reported as factually real and occurring.

Twitter censors heavily...Facebook too. The forum provided here seems to be fair.

Also; I try not to mention anyone by the exact name now after being reprimanded by Steve one time. I'm trying to follow the rules here...and hopefully don't make further mistakes. Love the Football Premium forum........check it every day!

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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Yeah, my company is consumed with the "agile" approach, which is all about collaboration. Started building offices with that in mind, which means very open style, no dividers, side-by-side, face-to-face desks where you can see/talk to your neighbor.
Then covid....
But what I've seen, setting aside any health concerns....people are struggling with how to work in that type of close-environment after 2 years of having a whole room to themselves and their dog.
It is much noisier and distracting.
Of course, so was work at home at first....so I assume it will normalize over time.

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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Yep.

Everyone thought NYC high-rise market would tank after 9/11. People have short memories, and the market rebounded quickly.

Working from home is decent some of the time for some people. It's not ideal at all for client-facing businesses (attorneys, therapists, etc.) and it really puts a damper on fields that revolve around collaborative design or thinking.

It has it's place but it ain't a panacea, that's for sure.

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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Yep.

Everyone thought NYC high-rise market would tank after 9/11. People have short memories, and the market rebounded quickly.

Working from home is decent some of the time for some people. It's not ideal at all for client-facing businesses (attorneys, therapists, etc.) and it really puts a damper on fields that revolve around collaborative design or thinking.

It has it's place but it ain't a panacea, that's for sure.

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Can you see a hybrid form of some sorts evolving?

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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Yep.

Everyone thought NYC high-rise market would tank after 9/11. People have short memories, and the market rebounded quickly.

Working from home is decent some of the time for some people. It's not ideal at all for client-facing businesses (attorneys, therapists, etc.) and it really puts a damper on fields that revolve around collaborative design or thinking.

It has it's place but it ain't a panacea, that's for sure.

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I've been looking at condos in NYC (Upper East Side) to buy. My daughter lives in Lennox Hill neighborhood and I thought.. Why don't I just buy (Studio for roughly 500K) and have her pay the enormous HOW dues per month. At the end of wanting/needing to live in the condo, I could sell it and hopefully get a reasonable return.

Looking at the data doesn't give me a lot of confidence that a return would be in order. Now, I don't know the commercial market; so, that may be different...

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Steve Videtich said:

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TheStorm said:

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packofwolves said:

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PackFansXL said:

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Biden is apparently going to extend the student loan repayment moratorium for the fourth time in his tenure. The latest extension will be through August 2022. These poor kids may never learn responsibility. Biden is the only POTUS in history to rescind student loan payments for the entirety of his Presidency. He is not done yet. Perhaps he will remove the moratorium just prior to the end of his term so he can avoid the full term legacy.

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Ridiculous. There is no reason why these loan payments cannot resume at this point.

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That is because you are looking at it from the "common sense" standpoint... to further that point, I just heard on Spectrum News 1 (I turn it on for the weather on the 1's, then I have to turn it back off due to everything else) that Bank of America in Charlotte has just now announced that they want employees to come back into the office to work starting in June.

Just now announcing it. Starting in June.

That is just totally crazy to me that this stuff is still going on somehow... but maybe that's just me!

*I finished paying off my daughter's college loan during the middle of the pandemic when no interest was being charged.

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Well BofA had already demanded people come back in....and had a revolt. So they backed down.

Wells has done the same, and thousands of employees are just not going into the office. I doubt this lack of compliance is covid-related....I'd assume it signifies an evolution of culture --- people realized just how good it is to work remotely, and how they can get more done and not have to pay for parking, driving, etc and are going to try to force company behavioral change instead of the other way around

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this is also what I'm seeing as well with some of my clients. At this point it's figuring out what works best for the company and it's employees. Each company seems to be approaching it differently, but a lot are going with the boil the frog approach and that just takes time. Others are reconfiguring their spaces to right size for hybrid working environments. It's really a fascinating time

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About 10 years ago, Adobe built a huge corporate building, 25 minutes south of me. Right as the shut downs started happening, they were finishing a second building that would almost double the size of the campus. For almost 2 years now, it's been empty.

Lots of building and development was happening around Salt Lake. Now, almost every office building has "space available" signs posted on them. Different world now!

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I think the market will self correct but it'll take time

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Yep.

Everyone thought NYC high-rise market would tank after 9/11. People have short memories, and the market rebounded quickly.

Working from home is decent some of the time for some people. It's not ideal at all for client-facing businesses (attorneys, therapists, etc.) and it really puts a damper on fields that revolve around collaborative design or thinking.

It has it's place but it ain't a panacea, that's for sure.

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Can you see a hybrid form of some sorts evolving?

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that's what I'm going to and then right sizing our office to reduce our expenses

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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It's also true that some people see someone post something against immigration and jump to conclusions that that person is xenophobic and racist. I think we all need to do a better job of expressing our opinions as well as understanding where we're coming from. Myself included!

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Yes, and some people who posts those opinions about immigration ARE xenophobic and racist. I'm not speaking about anyone here...but come on, we know this is true, in general.
And yes, I know you disagree, but i believe this is the exact sentiment of the America First agenda that folks like Trump capitalize on...

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Wow...here we are having a discussion about our message board, how we can get along better, and better understand each other. And you can't help yourself but make a political statement in the middle of it.

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Oh please...you made a specific statement and I responded. If you want people to communicate well here, lead by example. Quit getting upset with posters who disagree with you and putting words in their mouth. Thats easy to control.

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Where did I disagree with you? Didn't I respond to a statement you made regarding opinions of others regarding the topic of immigration? Where did I say that there aren't racist and xenophobic people?

So playing the victim all the time. I made no inferences about you. You made one about me assuming I don't think there are xenophobic and racists people. Don't put words in my mouth... sound familiar!?!

Thanks for making my point... chill dude!

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Wait a minute....you react like a child here about making things political, and then say "stop playing victim"? Taht sounds like a "look in the mirror moment".

I didn't assume anything....Im making a point that people look for news that suits their agendas -- immigration is a perfect example, and many of that is fueled by xenophobia. So, they go find news sources that fit that. Doesn't make them all that way, and I even plainly said I was not referring to anyone on this site...yet, you over-react.

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Steve Videtich said:

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So, the only question I have is who gets the right to determine what's true and what's false? Does being a "moderator" give one that ability? Steve and James have done an admirable job, in my opinion, of letting things be for the most part in the Water Cooler.

At times things have gotten personal, which they never should. But, I've seen errors in judgement and decorum carried out by "moderators" at times as well. So, who I ask again, who had the right to determine what's true?

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Haaa....the reality we see every day is that what is true aligns very closely with what you believe, or want to believe. Major news organizations have turned into "team sites" just as if they were Panthers.com or GoPack.com, and feed off of the above (And make it worse)

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Not true at all! Maybe for some, maybe for the hard headed, but I don't see it that way. I have a brain and common sense. Any news I watch (which is very little), and even talk that I listen to, I don't always agree with. I'm able to weed through the BS and make my own decision.

I don't 100% agree with people I tend to align with on this board. But, just because someone disagrees with information on here, doesn't mean it's wrong. Look at all the things that were censored in recent years as false information, but has now come a full 180.

The boy who cried wolf was even right one time, but it was too late when people should've listened.

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Its very true that news services are doing this. It is also true that we see news thru a filtered lens. It is also true that some people can rise above this and consider multiple sources.

People who dislike all forms of immigration, see a CNN article about it, and flip out...so they go find a news source that shows a drunk Mexican immigrant who plowed into a teenager and say, "see, we shouldn't allow immigration".

And of course this goes both ways.....

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It's also true that some people see someone post something against immigration and jump to conclusions that that person is xenophobic and racist. I think we all need to do a better job of expressing our opinions as well as understanding where we're coming from. Myself included!

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Yes, and some people who posts those opinions about immigration ARE xenophobic and racist. I'm not speaking about anyone here...but come on, we know this is true, in general.
And yes, I know you disagree, but i believe this is the exact sentiment of the America First agenda that folks like Trump capitalize on...

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Wow...here we are having a discussion about our message board, how we can get along better, and better understand each other. And you can't help yourself but make a political statement in the middle of it.

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Oh please...you made a specific statement and I responded. If you want people to communicate well here, lead by example. Quit getting upset with posters who disagree with you and putting words in their mouth. Thats easy to control.

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Where did I disagree with you? Didn't I respond to a statement you made regarding opinions of others regarding the topic of immigration? Where did I say that there aren't racist and xenophobic people?

So playing the victim all the time. I made no inferences about you. You made one about me assuming I don't think there are xenophobic and racists people. Don't put words in my mouth... sound familiar!?!

Thanks for making my point... chill dude!

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Wait a minute....you react like a child here about making things political, and then say "stop playing victim"? Taht sounds like a "look in the mirror moment".

I didn't assume anything....Im making a point that people look for news that suits their agendas -- immigration is a perfect example, and many of that is fueled by xenophobia. So, they go find news sources that fit that. Doesn't make them all that way, and I even plainly said I was not referring to anyone on this site...yet, you over-react.

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Wow...