cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

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here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

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I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

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I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

When you have the board lefties clamoring how great illegal immigration is you know you are on the right side of the argument.

Legal immigration would constitute applying for immigration to the United States in your home country. Not finding an agent and claiming asylum.

Many of these illegals are paid under the table and make zero contributions to the tax system. But yet when they have 4-5 kids and send them to public schools they get free lunches paid for by tax payers.

When the kids get sick where do they go? The ER. Which further jams up an already clogged system.

You lefties know that they will most likely have kids here and their kids will vote SOCIALIST. That's been the end game all along.

Funny how not a single one of you lefties offered up any solution just "welcome on in..."

Enjoy your next 17 months. It'll all be over for you and your SOCIALIST dream soon enough.

hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

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here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

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I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

IseWolf22 said:

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PackFansXL said:

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Many, if not most, border hoppers already actively find the Border Patrol agents because this gets them processed in the system faster than getting caught later at some town not on the border. I would guess this technique is far more prevalent during this administration than it was in the previous one.

The biggest issue for people illegally crossing the border is they aren't getting properly assimilated into American society so that they and/or their children learn English, become productive members of American society, and begin climbing the socioeconomic ladder. This is because future border crossers will keep the like skilled labor supply unlimited which reduces pressure for wage increases for these folks. Caesar Chavez, the late Latino activist, was quoted saying illegal border crossers were hurting the people who entered legally by wage suppression. He even said he would deport his own mother if she crossed illegally. That's how strongly he felt about illegal immigration.

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We probably do the best job of assimilating immigrants of any of the 1st world nations. 2nd generation immigrants are by and large, very productive members of society. Immigrants are often cultural conservatives as well and the GOP could pick up huge number of votes by positioning themselves as more pro-immigration.

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So, we should pander for votes? Screw that!!! That is the most selfish statement ever! I, and everyone else, should care about the people who's jobs are being displaced by immigration, whether legal or illegal.

I know we probably need legal immigration, at some point, to balance the jobs need; however, its not now! Biden is making a mockery of the system and hopefully more people will recognize he only cares about rhetoric, and not people!

Save the American Worker!!!!!

BBW12OG said:

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When you have the board lefties clamoring how great illegal immigration is you know you are on the right side of the argument.

Legal immigration would constitute applying for immigration to the United States in your home country. Not finding an agent and claiming asylum.

Many of these illegals are paid under the table and make zero contributions to the tax system. But yet when they have 4-5 kids and send them to public schools they get free lunches paid for by tax payers.

When the kids get sick where do they go? The ER. Which further jams up an already clogged system.

You lefties know that they will most likely have kids here and their kids will vote SOCIALIST. That's been the end game all along.

Funny how not a single one of you lefties offered up any solution just "welcome on in..."

Enjoy your next 17 months. It'll all be over for you and your SOCIALIST dream soon enough.

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or sooner...

packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

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yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

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yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

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Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

---

yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home.

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If someone enters my house illegally they risk life and limb, will face a multitude of abuses, and pay thousands of dollars in court, hospital, and prison fees. The black market would be thrilled to know your home is a safe space. Unlock the doors!

packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

---

yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home.

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If someone enters my house they risk life and limb, will face a multitude of abuses, and pay thousands of dollars in court, hospital, and prison fees. The black market would be thrilled to know your home is a safe space. Unlock the doors!

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your example is a terrible one by the way. I thought you were supposed to be smarter than me.

hokiewolf said:

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pineknollshoresking said:

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IseWolf22 said:

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PackFansXL said:

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Many, if not most, border hoppers already actively find the Border Patrol agents because this gets them processed in the system faster than getting caught later at some town not on the border. I would guess this technique is far more prevalent during this administration than it was in the previous one.

The biggest issue for people illegally crossing the border is they aren't getting properly assimilated into American society so that they and/or their children learn English, become productive members of American society, and begin climbing the socioeconomic ladder. This is because future border crossers will keep the like skilled labor supply unlimited which reduces pressure for wage increases for these folks. Caesar Chavez, the late Latino activist, was quoted saying illegal border crossers were hurting the people who entered legally by wage suppression. He even said he would deport his own mother if she crossed illegally. That's how strongly he felt about illegal immigration.

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We probably do the best job of assimilating immigrants of any of the 1st world nations. 2nd generation immigrants are by and large, very productive members of society. Immigrants are often cultural conservatives as well and the GOP could pick up huge number of votes by positioning themselves as more pro-immigration.

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So, we should pander for votes? Screw that!!! That is the most selfish statement ever! I, and everyone else, should care about the people who's jobs are being displaced by immigration, whether legal or illegal.

I know we probably need legal immigration, at some point, to balance the jobs need; however, its not now! Biden is making a mockery of the system and hopefully more people will recognize he only cares about rhetoric, and not people!

Save the American Worker!!!!!

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This just isn't true, there are plenty of studies that show there is very little affect on native born Americans with respect to immigration. In fact the biggest affect is in specific areas of the work force (ie meat packing plants and janitorial services) where there is a minimal affect new immigrants have on old immigrants. Your statement above is political theatre. It isn't backed up by statistics.

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Yeah. We see how truthful these political studies are these days. Sounds like "science".

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

---

yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home.

---

If someone enters my house they risk life and limb, will face a multitude of abuses, and pay thousands of dollars in court, hospital, and prison fees. The black market would be thrilled to know your home is a safe space. Unlock the doors!

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your example is a terrible one by the way. I thought you were supposed to be smarter than me.

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I am. Clearly.

packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

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yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home.

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If someone enters my house they risk life and limb, will face a multitude of abuses, and pay thousands of dollars in court, hospital, and prison fees. The black market would be thrilled to know your home is a safe space. Unlock the doors!

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your example is a terrible one by the way. I thought you were supposed to be smarter than me.

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I am. Clearly.

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you think you are, but at least I know that you can't regulate black markets by creating bad policies and putting up walls.

packgrad said:

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Here is the logic of the independent hokie. Because there is a black market to traffic humans, drugs, and weapons enter the country, we should let them enter legally. So smart.

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yes, make the legal path easier than the illegal path and you kill the black market. Why are you so scared of people wanting to come to America legally?

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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Here is the logic of the independent hokie. Because there is a black market to traffic humans, drugs, and weapons enter the country, we should let them enter legally. So smart.

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yes, make the legal path easier than the illegal path and you kill the black market. Why are you so scared of people wanting to come to America?

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I am so scared. Brilliant retort. I'm fine with legal immigration. Keep tilting at windmills though.

hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

---

yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home. Generally people trying to get into my house can either knock or ring the doorbell.

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Well I certainly hope you or any of your loved ones are not ever the victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. You know the ones that are responsible for wrong way DUI's, sexual offenders, identity thefts etc...

And before the lefty brigade comes in and says that Americans are responsible for more crimes than illegals I agree. But you know what? If the illegals were sent back where they came from they wouldn't have a chance to commit those crimes against AMERICAN CITIZENS.

hokiewolf said:

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You seem to not want to debate the idea but rather just discredit it with no real reasoned explanation. So you just want to continue with the status quo?

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Lol. You accused me of being afraid of legal immigration. That's not debate. That's liberal101.

Status quo is engaging this ridiculous line of discussion. I will break status quo.

BBW12OG said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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packgrad said:

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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hokiewolf said:

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BBW12OG said:

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

---

here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

---

I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

---

I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

---

I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

---

yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

---

Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home. Generally people trying to get into my house can either knock or ring the doorbell.

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Well I certainly hope you or any of your loved ones are not ever the victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. You know the ones that are responsible for wrong way DUI's, sexual offenders, identity thefts etc...

And before the lefty brigade comes in and says that Americans are responsible for more crimes than illegals I agree. But you know what? If the illegals were sent back where they came from they wouldn't have a chance to commit those crimes against AMERICAN CITIZENS.

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. I don't want illegal immigration. I want to end illegal immigration. I don't care what the stats on crime rates for illegals proves or doesn't prove for your point that I'm not trying to defend against.

Here's an article from those pesky lefties at the CATO Institute. Let's check in on crime rates for illegals, native born Americans, and legal immigrants in Texas:

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

Hey look, legal immigrants have the lowest criminal rate!

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You seem to not want to debate the idea but rather just discredit it with no real reasoned explanation. So you just want to continue with the status quo?

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Lol. You accused me of being afraid of legal immigration. That's not debate. That's liberal101.

Status quo is engaging this ridiculous line of discussion. I will break status quo.

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. What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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With Sleepy Joe and the folks that are in D.C. now there isn't a "far enough left" for them until they have single party rule, wealth redistribution, abandoning the current Constitution in favor of a more "woke" version that offers reparations, awarding of land and a guaranteed basic income for minorities and people of color and last but not least open borders.

My question for you lefties is that with the borders being open, and they are, when will white people become the minority?

Does that mean that we will get all the freebies, handouts and preferential government deals like Sleepy Joe has promised?

Or is the plan all along been keep the country divided around racial lines so that the SOCIALIST PARTY can remain in power?

Remember.... "if you don't vote for Joe Biden you ain't black..."

Biggest racist in D.C. is Sleepy Joe.

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here is where we disagree. The border isn't open for legal immigration. It's open for illegal immigration. The way to solve the problem at the border is to create more paths to coming to the country legally. I've never understood this nativist stance of the Republican Party. If they did the above, they would get all those votes.

I'll never understand the current policy (the last 39 years) where we are trying to regulate a black market.

I'll also never be upset with someone wanting to come to America and improve their lot in life if they are willing to put the work in.

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I think you have to fix the door before people can come in through it.

Why would people go through the legal routes when they can just hop the border or overstay their visas and end up with all of the same benefits?

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I used to think the way you do but I've changed. When your policy is to try and regulate a black market walls won't work

You fix the front door by making it easier to get through the front door.

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I presume you don't lock your house or car doors nor have an alarm.

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yes, but there isn't a black market operating to get people into my home set up at the entrance to my driveway either.

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Oh. There's not a stolen goods black market? Interesting perspective.

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no, there is not a black market set up at the end of my driveway in which people risk life and limb, face a multitude of abuses and pay thousands of dollars to enter my home. Generally people trying to get into my house can either knock or ring the doorbell.

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Well I certainly hope you or any of your loved ones are not ever the victims of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. You know the ones that are responsible for wrong way DUI's, sexual offenders, identity thefts etc...

And before the lefty brigade comes in and says that Americans are responsible for more crimes than illegals I agree. But you know what? If the illegals were sent back where they came from they wouldn't have a chance to commit those crimes against AMERICAN CITIZENS.

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Ahhh, and the self-proclaimed smartest guy in the room makes yet another glaring fundamental reading comprehension issue, disproving his own claims, lol.

You may have a point, if at any time, Hokie said he loved illegal immigrants coming here. But he didn't. He said we should stop illegal immigration by giving the opportunity for more paths to legal immigration. So your warning to him is just another idiotic tilt at a windmill type of generalization which so damages the American political climate these days. You sound like AOC and the Squad, just from a different perspective.

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

Actually....how about a compromise. I'll be ok with making it easier for immigrants to get into the country with a few caveats...

• If you are caught in the country illegally you have to be deported and will not be allowed entry at any future time. This includes both people coming in and folks already here
• Not allowed to vote for 10-12 years after being in this country
• All foreign aid to countries that we are receiving illegal immigrants from is suspended and that money is used to help the apprehension efforts of people that do cross the border illegally. The rest of this money has to be put to paying down the deficit of the US.
• Any company that knowingly employs an illegal immigrant is heavily fined.
• Any politician that uses an illegal immigrant for a political stunt (like Pelosi having illegal immigrants attend the SOTU or Obama having them at the White House)
• No public money goes to any illegal immigrants. This includes subsidies to hospitals of schools

I am really focused on the amount of money that we give these countries....i was blown away when I looked up the amount of money that we are giving central and south american countries in part to help make their countries better. We send over 2 billion dollars a year to these countries....and we still need to deal with the billions of dollars worth of cost of the illegal immigrants. That's crazy man

Central America - 876,608,462

• Mexico - 443,964,994
• Guatemala - 157,477,422
• Belize - 11,439,404
• El Salvador - 85,494,975
• Honduras - 70,771,702
• Nicaragua - 44,441,463
• Costa Rica - 36,974,439
• Panama - 26,044,063

South America - 1,202,730,566

• Venezuela - 72,258,784
• Columbia - 800,747,494
• Ecuador - 80,322,827
• Guyana - 5,450,095
• Brazil - 70,118,438
• Peru - 182,520,497
• Bolivia - 3,174,728
• Paraguay - 39,257,502
• Chile - 2,303,459
• Argentina - 17,570,691
• Uruguay - 1,191,793

Just in case you were curious:
https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/CHN?fiscal_year=2019&measure=Obligations

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

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Well....we have millions of low-paying jobs now that are not being filled

Granted, taht is because instead of those companies competing with free market, they are having to compete with their own government, so that is a altogether different story.

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

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Well....we have millions of low-paying jobs now that are not being filled

Granted, taht is because instead of those companies competing with free market, they are having to compete with their own government, so that is a altogether different story.

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I'm smart enough to know how to spell that "that" you self loathing.... You always seem to want to be the grammar police. Funny as hell when it comes back to bite you in your liberal @$$ isn't it?

Again when your SOCIALIST lefty self brings anything of substance to a discussion on here it will be the first. Until then keep clamoring for your left wing ideas and dreams of this country becoming the free loading SOCIALIST mecca you so long for.

There are tons of unskilled labor jobs open now. You know why they aren't being filled? Because the lefties are paying people to stay home to make sure they know that the SOCIALIST PARTY will pay them to vote for them.

Lefties breed laziness and no self accountability. They are the party of freebies and giveaways. Nothing says I'm a lefty like bragging about how much you depend on the government.

I'm sure you benefited greatly from the stimulus checks...... if not your intelligence level leads one to believe other wise.

Might be a good idea to take it down a notch for the rest of the day... wouldn't want to lose anybody that posts here right now.

This board has some really good traffic built up after a very slow start. I hope it stays that way...

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

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I'd start with a modest increase on currently levels and increase that every year keeping an eye on employment data. Most economists think we can absorb many more immigrants and increase our GDP.

The US needs to continue to grow in population for the foreseeable future as it's the only thing keeping the economic ship afloat. Growth is good.

We also aren't a densely populated country, even in cities. We have space for more people, physically and economically. I'll gladly take top end STEM talent from around the world and low skilled labor from people willing to risk life and limb for the shot at a life here

Or put the deadbeats that are capable to work that are currently on welfare, disability etc... to work. That would fill the need for jobs.

I know it hurts the lefty's voting model to make people actually have earn a living because it puts their voting base in jeopardy.

Bringing in more mouths to feed and handing out free college, healthcare, housing etc.... is the SOCIALIST'S endgame. Ensures them another generation or two of a voting base.

Nothing any of you lefties have suggested is tangible for what you are claiming it would do.

You think the "best and the brightest" are the ones coming in? What a damn joke. Typical lefty talking point.

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

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Well....we have millions of low-paying jobs now that are not being filled

Granted, taht is because instead of those companies competing with free market, they are having to compete with their own government, so that is a altogether different story.

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I'm smart enough to know how to spell that "that" you self loathing.... You always seem to want to be the grammar police. Funny as hell when it comes back to bite you in your liberal @$$ isn't it?

Again when your SOCIALIST lefty self brings anything of substance to a discussion on here it will be the first. Until then keep clamoring for your left wing ideas and dreams of this country becoming the free loading SOCIALIST mecca you so long for.

There are tons of unskilled labor jobs open now. You know why they aren't being filled? Because the lefties are paying people to stay home to make sure they know that the SOCIALIST PARTY will pay them to vote for them.

Lefties breed laziness and no self accountability. They are the party of freebies and giveaways. Nothing says I'm a lefty like bragging about how much you depend on the government.

I'm sure you benefited greatly from the stimulus checks...... if not your intelligence level leads one to believe other wise.

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Oh, he mad. I don't think I've ever corrected grammar, just your ignorance and your #lackofselfawareness. If you actually cared to read, you'll see I just said, right above here, that its terrible that businesses are being hurt, and having to compete with government policy of paying workers to be unemployed......lol, come on man.
So, is that the socialist part or the part where I didn't bring substance, I'm not sure which?

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What is your stance then, since mine is walls don't work, we need more legal ways for immigrants to get into this country in order to depress the market for illegal immigration.

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Hokie, it seems you believe making immigration extremely easy will solve all our immigration problems. How do you propose establishing a limit? Are we simply going to admit every person who wants in? Do we do so until we have to reduce benefits because we can't pay them any longer?

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I'd start with a modest increase on currently levels and increase that every year keeping an eye on employment data. Most economists think we can absorb many more immigrants and increase our GDP.

The US needs to continue to grow in population for the foreseeable future as it's the only thing keeping the economic ship afloat. Growth is good.

We also aren't a densely populated country, even in cities. We have space for more people, physically and economically. I'll gladly take top end STEM talent from around the world and low skilled labor from people willing to risk life and limb for the shot at a life here

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I agree with your proposal. I would also hypothesize that if you increased the ability of legal immigration you would also decrease the demand for immigration as a whole. Our southern boarder would look more like our northern border.

The biggest issue that can change the paradigm immediately is to increase legal immigration opportunities for Mexican citizens. That would have a huge impact on illegal immigration.

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are unilaterally creating the crisis at our border. The root cause is them.

They inherited a secure and safe border courtesy of President Trump, but because of politics and incompetence, they gave control of our border to the cartels. https://t.co/I6xvRuLAcO

— Byron Donalds (@ByronDonalds) June 3, 2021

Worst Border Crisis in 2 decades

Inflation rising at the fastest pace in 13 years

Gas prices highest in 7 years

2 major cyberattacks, impacting American consumers

"It's beach day" for Biden, who has nothing on his schedule today... pic.twitter.com/oHJAZnXISt

— Chad Gilmartin (@ChadGilmartinCA) June 3, 2021