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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Civilized said:

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Ripper said:

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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Are you saying it's uncommon for presidential candidate opponents to later link up for VP running mates, cabinet positions, key appointments, etc.?

2008's Rubio, Cruz, Graham analogy is dead on. They compete or chastise, and then join for the greater good. It happens all the time in both parties.

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GoPack2008 said:

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GoPack2008 said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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The Dems had every opportunity to nominate someone moderate (and competent) enough that moderates could vote for instead of Trump. Wouldn't have taken much.

And they trotted out Biden/Kamala. Mind boggling.

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Which one of those running would that have been? Not Warren, Bernie, Booker, Harris, Buttigeig(sp), Deblasio, Bloomberg, Inslee, Castro and on and on. Maybe Yang, but he still wanted to give everybody $1000 a month which is Socialism. I know Biden is not a moderate and he and his son are dirty as can be. He may have been 30 years ago, but not now. Everybody they had running was further left than he was.

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That's kind of my point. The fact that Biden was the least objectionable is pretty sad.

And the fact that he would choose Harris as a running mate after the way she went after him, that's pretty sad as well. I wouldn't give a damn about what the party thought... She was bounced early. That's not the one you choose as your running mate, especially when she went after you the way she did. Screw the party.

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This is interesting to me because it implies that what she did ought to be unforgivable, rather than Biden seeing it as the outcome of her being competitive and trying to win.

In kind of the same way that two people can be coaches and compete fiercely against eachother and also be friends. I'm sure Valvano and Coach K went after eachother very hard, but still were friends and respected one another.

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Bad example. V and K were never friends when they competed against each other. K didn't like V during that period.

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Right, and Harris and Biden are now no longer competing against each other, either.

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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Ripper said:

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Civilized said:

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Ripper said:

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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Are you saying it's uncommon for presidential candidate opponents to later link up for VP running mates, cabinet positions, key appointments, etc.?

2008's Rubio, Cruz, Graham analogy is dead on. They compete or chastise, and then join for the greater good. It happens all the time in both parties.

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No. I'm not saying anything regarding the political side of my statement is uncommon. I was addressing a lame analogy.

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Pacfanweb said:

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GoPack2008 said:

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Also Kamala is definitely not THE most liberal senator in DC.

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I didn't make it up.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

Facts First: Harris' voting record in the Senate is certainly one of the most liberal, though her record prior to the Senate is more moderate on some issues.

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ideology-score-placed-kamala-harris-as-the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72

Our ideology score placed Kamala Harris as the most liberal senator in 2019


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology
#1 is most conservative

#100 0.00 [url=https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2019]Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA][/url]


Even if you don't think she's #1, she's in the conversation.

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Pacfanweb said:

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GoPack2008 said:

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Also Kamala is definitely not THE most liberal senator in DC.

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I didn't make it up.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/17/politics/kamala-harris-most-liberal-senator-fact-check/index.html

Facts First: Harris' voting record in the Senate is certainly one of the most liberal, though her record prior to the Senate is more moderate on some issues.

https://govtrackinsider.com/our-ideology-score-placed-kamala-harris-as-the-most-liberal-senator-in-2019-bbd25493ca72

Our ideology score placed Kamala Harris as the most liberal senator in 2019


https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2019/senate/ideology
#1 is most conservative

#100 0.00 [url=https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kamala_harris/412678/report-card/2019]Sen. Kamala Harris [D-CA][/url]


Even if you don't think she's #1, she's in the conversation.

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GoPack2008 said:

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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Are you saying it's uncommon for presidential candidate opponents to later link up for VP running mates, cabinet positions, key appointments, etc.?

2008's Rubio, Cruz, Graham analogy is dead on. They compete or chastise, and then join for the greater good. It happens all the time in both parties.

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No. I'm not saying anything regarding the political side of my statement is uncommon. I was addressing a lame analogy.

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What's the purpose of this? All analogies are flawed. If they were perfectly comparable, they wouldn't be analogies!

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GoPack2008 said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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Pacfanweb said:

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The Dems had every opportunity to nominate someone moderate (and competent) enough that moderates could vote for instead of Trump. Wouldn't have taken much.

And they trotted out Biden/Kamala. Mind boggling.

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Which one of those running would that have been? Not Warren, Bernie, Booker, Harris, Buttigeig(sp), Deblasio, Bloomberg, Inslee, Castro and on and on. Maybe Yang, but he still wanted to give everybody $1000 a month which is Socialism. I know Biden is not a moderate and he and his son are dirty as can be. He may have been 30 years ago, but not now. Everybody they had running was further left than he was.

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That's kind of my point. The fact that Biden was the least objectionable is pretty sad.

And the fact that he would choose Harris as a running mate after the way she went after him, that's pretty sad as well. I wouldn't give a damn about what the party thought... She was bounced early. That's not the one you choose as your running mate, especially when she went after you the way she did. Screw the party.

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This is interesting to me because it implies that what she did ought to be unforgivable, rather than Biden seeing it as the outcome of her being competitive and trying to win.

In kind of the same way that two people can be coaches and compete fiercely against eachother and also be friends. I'm sure Valvano and Coach K went after eachother very hard, but still were friends and respected one another.

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Ripper said:

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GoPack2008 said:

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Ripper said:

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Ripper said:

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C'mon dude. Terrible analogy. You are basically saying that V and K battled on the court and then after the game went to the bar and hung out. Didn't happen. But they also were not public enemies who reconciled. In the final year of V's life, two to three years after V stopped coaching, K was able to see what a great guy V was, not as an opponent, but as a person and they became good friends. The Biden - Harris situation is just a political freak show. A political joining, while neither cares for the other. If you can't see the difference, that's on you.

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Are you saying it's uncommon for presidential candidate opponents to later link up for VP running mates, cabinet positions, key appointments, etc.?

2008's Rubio, Cruz, Graham analogy is dead on. They compete or chastise, and then join for the greater good. It happens all the time in both parties.

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No. I'm not saying anything regarding the political side of my statement is uncommon. I was addressing a lame analogy.

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What's the purpose of this? All analogies are flawed. If they were perfectly comparable, they wouldn't be analogies!

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The purpose is contrived political BS that does occur quite frequently due to the skeezy nature of politics on the one hand vs an organic friendship that was nurtured do to unforeseen (chance) circumstances on the other hand. If you think it's a good analogy, good for you. In the one example, party A called party B a sexual assaulter and a racist. And then party B says come join me. In the other example, well let's just say there is nothing analogous to the first example.

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Yep. When both candidates suck, it really just comes down to the courts. "Which one will nominate judges that I would like to serve?"

So you hold your nose and check the box.

The Dems had every opportunity to nominate someone moderate (and competent) enough that moderates could vote for instead of Trump. Wouldn't have taken much.

And they trotted out Biden/Kamala. Mind boggling.

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Biden may not get elected, but it won't be because the Dems had other far more moderate candidates to choose from and just ignored them.



He's not a true moderate, but no dem candidate is/was. Biden is actually one of the most centrist candidates, but none of them are that centrist.

Also, the idealogical left already views Biden as a moderate even though he's not *so* moderate. Dems would have an even bigger problem on their hands with more of a true moderate that the party's liberal base couldn't get behind.

Kamala is also not unusually liberal, and there weren't many/any democratic senators that were significantly less liberal than her. She's about as liberal as her competition for the position - Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand, etc.

Now, competency is a whole other argument...

Biden's age and goofiness work against him there. Harris has no such knocks.

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So the American Conservative Union defines what is "moderate"? That's like saying that what UNC-Ch thinks is what the ACC should always do and that anyone who disagrees is out of the mainstream which of course is "their" mainstream.

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packgrad said:

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But anonymous sources

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GoPack2008 said:

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I'm being pedantic at this point, but Bernie is definitely considerably more liberal than Kamala.

He proposes Medicare for all and abolishing private insurance. I mean hello.

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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But anonymous sources

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Well looks like the media narrative has failed again.

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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I'm being pedantic at this point, but Bernie is definitely considerably more liberal than Kamala.

He proposes Medicare for all and abolishing private insurance. I mean hello.

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Kamala proposed the same thing.

Here the very first link that came up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/kamala-harris-wants-end-private-health-insurance-new-democratic-litmus-n964241

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Bas2020 said:

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packgrad said:

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But anonymous sources

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Well looks like the media narrative has failed again.

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Every single person on the trip in the meeting has now publically denied this story - so it is seemingly impossible for the anonymous source to be accurate if he or she wasn't even there ... even the editor at the Atlantic is folding saying 'key parts may not be accurate'. Good grief .

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GoPack2008 said:

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GoPack2008 said:

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I'm being pedantic at this point, but Bernie is definitely considerably more liberal than Kamala.

He proposes Medicare for all and abolishing private insurance. I mean hello.

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Kamala proposed the same thing.

Here the very first link that came up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/kamala-harris-wants-end-private-health-insurance-new-democratic-litmus-n964241

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Okay at this point you're just arguing to argue.

Kamala is pretty damned liberal but she's not as liberal as Bernie or Warren. To even try to argue this is sillines.

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packgrad said:

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Bas2020 said:

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packgrad said:

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But anonymous sources

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Well looks like the media narrative has failed again.

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Every single person on the trip in the meeting has now publically denied this story - so it is seemingly impossible for the anonymous source to be accurate if he or she wasn't even there ... even the editor at the Atlantic is folding saying 'key parts may not be accurate'. Good grief .

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Yep. Ridiculous.

Feels like now would be an appropriate time to bring this back up for 2008.

Just admit it. Come on, try saying it:

"I don't care what Donald Trump says, I will cry wolf no matter what. And I will call you racist if you disagree."

We all know it's true. It might feel liberating for you to just acknowledge it.

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Bas2020 said:

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DrummerboyWolf said:

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packgrad said:

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But anonymous sources

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Well looks like the media narrative has failed again.

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Every single person on the trip in the meeting has now publically denied this story - so it is seemingly impossible for the anonymous source to be accurate if he or she wasn't even there ... even the editor at the Atlantic is folding saying 'key parts may not be accurate'. Good grief .

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ciscopack said:

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"The only person in the military that Mr. Trump doesn't think is overrated is Colonel Sanders." - General Mattis

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Fake news stories like this just prove that the Biden campaign is desperate and grasping now. They are losing ground convincing America that Donald Trump is to blame for coronavirus and that's the only issue they really win on. They are now pivoting on the riots that they've helped embroil America's cities all summer long. No one is buying the lies. And most people understand what the left's agenda is and that Biden is really not anything anymore other than a vessel for power on the left. It's just not popular enough to win and people are sick of the dirty tricks.

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Yep. This is the same type of crap that got Trump elected last time.

I've said it before: Trump's election was the result of 2 things: People voting against Hillary, and rebelling against the media's outright manipulation (attempted, anyway) of the election.

Them openly and unashamedly promoting Hillary and denigrating Trump, along with Trump constantly calling them out and ridiculing them for it is why he's in the Oval Office now.
I don't think at all that folks really love Trump that much, but his presence is more of an "F-U" to the media and the Dems for their collusion and outright corruption and manipulation of people.
There's no better proof than all the compilation videos of Dem media (again, basically all the media) on election night, crying, gnashing teeth, and just absolutely stunned when Trump won.

They didn't get it then. They kept on after the election and I said then on the BY that if they kept that up and didn't realize that behavior is what put him there in the first place, he'd get reelected.

Well, they still haven't realized it. Now they've doubled down with the riots and trying to connect them to Trump, and yes....with the Covid situation. I know it's real...not a denier, but there's no denying the fact that they've played it up far more than it really is or should have been in order to hurt Trump. I don't see how anyone who's watched the coverage can think any differently. So no, it wasn't made up, but as has been said "Never let a good crisis go to waste" and they haven't.

Trouble these days is....people see this. They take note.

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ciscopack said:

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"The only person in the military that Mr. Trump doesn't think is overrated is Colonel Sanders." - General Mattis

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What's interesting to me is that after Fox News confirms the story, supporters of Trump still claim it is false.

https://www.newsweek.com/fox-reporter-hits-back-after-trump-calls-her-firing-over-atlantic-story-1529907

Of course he called John McCain a loser years ago and nothing he is alleged to have said on the trip is new for him. He's said all that before. Many times. That would be like a Democrat claiming not to know Bill Clinton would stick his pecker nearly anywhere.

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packgrad said:

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Everyone that was there, including people that dislike him, confirm he did NOT say it. That holds more value than election fake news articles based 100% on anonymous sources.

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ciscopack said:

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Incompetent, Bellicose, Ignorant, Egotistical, Stupid, Arrogant, Narcissist, Disgusting, Belligerent, Dishonest, Racist, Bigot, Bombastic, Xenophobic, Treachery, Nepotism, Oligarchy, Fascist, Unqualified, Grandiosity, Sociopath, Volatile, Tyranny, Sycophant, Idiot, Misogyny, Emolument, Delusional, Corrupt, Complicit, Authoritarian, Buffoon, Disarray, Egocentric, Kleptocracy, Sycophant, Tyranny, Unhinged, Erratic, Corrupt, Volatile, Impeached, Liar

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