Trump doesn't begin to understand military or public service

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lumberpack5
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/


Most will focus on what he says, calling the fallen dead losers and suckers but there is a more important takeaway - Trump does not understand military or public service. This explains the Gold Star and John McCain comments that did not need to be made.

The core of his base are diasporaed Ulster-Scots, run out of Scotland then Ireland by the damn English. The threatened by them in the Revolutionary War. These are the Over Mountain boys from what was then western NC, now Tennessee that after they received the threats, marched over the Mountains wiped out Loyalists at Kings Mountain, helping to drive Cornwallis toward Yorktown for resupply.

That's just an astounding lack of understanding.
I like the athletic type
packgrad
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Fake news.
packgrad
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Is the media colluding with a political campaign? Awfully fast to have this ad out....

statefan91
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Trump loves the troops, see:

PackBacker07
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You can make a digital ad in hours.
packgrad
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PackBacker07 said:

You can make a digital ad in hours.


Are you denying the ad was made in conjunction with the media hit piece?
packgrad
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statefan91 said:

Trump loves the troops, see:




Not the newspaper!
SupplyChainPack
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That Anonymous Source guy is everywhere!
Bas2020
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Trump must be way ahead in the internals for all these anonymous sources fake news stories to drop . Gotta get the bad news off Pelosi and Biden somehow .
packgrad
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SupplyChainPack said:

That Anonymous Source guy is everywhere!


SupplyChainPack
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Bas2020 said:

Trump must be way ahead in the internals for all these anonymous sources fake news stories to drop . Gotta get the bad news off Pelosi and Biden somehow .


Yeah, they are really throwing the dung against the wall this week.

By this time next week, I expect that Anonymous Source will have told us that Donald Trump amputates puppies and brings little old ladies into the Oval Office to punch them in the stomach.

ncsualum05
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Good lord. Not this site too. I thought you guys were better than this.
packgrad
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Ripper
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Enough with the fake stories and the anonomys sources already. This bollocks never ends. Report a story if you have actual facts and actual evidence.
1MANWOLFPAK
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They're not
ncsualum05 said:

Good lord. Not this site too. I thought you guys were better than this.
statefan91
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packgrad said:

statefan91 said:

Trump loves the troops, see:




Not the newspaper!
Sounds like he decided the newspaper should stay?

PackBacker07
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Fox News thread:



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Y'all means ALL.
PackBacker07
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Show me proof, not a tweet from a random conservative in Spain.
Y'all means ALL.
statefan91
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Foxnews are part of the leftist MSM, what does RedState say on the matter
GoPack2008
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You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?
PackBacker07
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It's just too easy to scream "FAKE NEWS111!11!" and be done.
Y'all means ALL.
packgrad
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PackBacker07 said:

Show me proof, not a tweet from a random conservative in Spain.




GoPack2008
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Actual LOL
packgrad
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GoPack2008 said:

You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?


As soon as you admit you didn't want sports, cheerleader. Too bad for you though. They're playing.
packgrad
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PackBacker07 said:

It's just too easy to scream "FAKE NEWS111!11!" and be done.


It's too easy to be mindless sheep and scream TTTTRRRUUMMMMPPP!!!!
GoPack2008
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packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?


As soon as you admit you didn't want sports, cheerleader. Too bad for you though. They're playing.


I know and I can't wait. I hope everyone stays healthy.

Did you see the end of the Raptors game last night? Insane.

I'm kind of flattered that I'm such an integral part of your adversarial, paranoid world view. Me and my sports hating communism.
packgrad
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GoPack2008 said:

packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?


As soon as you admit you didn't want sports, cheerleader. Too bad for you though. They're playing.


I know and I can't wait. I hope everyone stays healthy.

Did you see the end of the Raptors game last night? Insane.

I'm kind of flattered that I'm such an integral part of your adversarial, paranoid world view. Me and my sports hating communism.


No, I don't watch nba now that TJ is out. **** the woke.
packgrad
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GoPack2008 said:

Actual LOL


Actual LOL at anonymous sources. Baaaaaaa
GoPack2008
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packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?


As soon as you admit you didn't want sports, cheerleader. Too bad for you though. They're playing.


I know and I can't wait. I hope everyone stays healthy.

Did you see the end of the Raptors game last night? Insane.

I'm kind of flattered that I'm such an integral part of your adversarial, paranoid world view. Me and my sports hating communism.


No, I don't watch nba now that TJ is out. **** the woke.


Just admit it. Come on, try saying it:

"I don't like black people, and I don't care what Donald Trump says, I will support him no matter what."

We all know it's true. It might feel liberating for you to just acknowledge it.
packgrad
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GoPack2008 said:

packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

packgrad said:

GoPack2008 said:

You guys could just say that you don't care what Trump does or says, rather than working yourselves up into a bunch of contortions to try to defend him.

It'd be a lot more honest. Even if he was caught on tape saying exactly what was reported, you wouldn't care. And that's fine. But just admit it?


As soon as you admit you didn't want sports, cheerleader. Too bad for you though. They're playing.


I know and I can't wait. I hope everyone stays healthy.

Did you see the end of the Raptors game last night? Insane.

I'm kind of flattered that I'm such an integral part of your adversarial, paranoid world view. Me and my sports hating communism.


No, I don't watch nba now that TJ is out. **** the woke.


Just admit it. Come on, try saying it:

"I don't like black people, and I don't care what Donald Trump says, I will support him no matter what."

We all know it's true. It might feel liberating for you to just acknowledge it.


Lol. Now I'm racist? Pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you. Not smart enough to debate your point. Immediately have to go to the racist card when nothing I've said is racist.

Just pitiful.
packgrad
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Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Former White House Press Secretary: "The Atlantic story on @realDonaldTrump is total BS. I was actually there and one of the people part of the discussion - this never happened. I have sat in the room when our President called family members after their sons were killed in action and it was heart-wrenching... These were some of the moments I witnessed the President show his heart and demonstrate how much he respects the selfless and courageous men and women of our military. I am disgusted by this false attack." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Hogan Gidley, Former Deputy White House Press Secretary: "These are disgusting, grotesque, reprehensible lies. I was there in Paris and the President never said those things. In fact, he would never even think such vile thoughts because I know from firsthand knowledge that President Trump absolutely loves, respects, and reveres the brave men and women of the United States military. He always has and always will. These weak, pathetic, cowardly background 'sources' do not have the courage or decency to put their names to these false accusations because they know how completely ludicrous they are. It's sickening that they would hide in the shadows to knowingly try and hurt the morale of our great military simply for an attack on a political opponent." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Dan Scavino, White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications: "I was with POTUS in France, with Sarah, and have been at his side throughout it all. Complete lies by 'anonymous sources' that were 'dropped' just as he begins to campaign (and surge). A disgraceful attempt to smear POTUS, 60 days before the Presidential Election! Disgusting!!" (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Jordan Karem, Personal Aide to President Trump: "This is not even close to being factually accurate. Plain and simple, it just never happened." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Karem: "Again, this is 100% false. I was next to @POTUS the whole day! The President was greatly disappointed when told we couldn't fly there. He was incredibly eager to honor our Fallen Heroes." (Twitter, 9/3/20)
Johnny DeStefano, Former Counselor to the President: "I was on this trip. The Atlantic bit is not true. Period." (Twitter, 9/4/20)

John Bolton, Former National Security Advisor: "[Trump] got support from an unlikely source on Friday when John R. Bolton, his former national security adviser who has broken with him and called him unfit for office, said he was on the trip in question and never heard Mr. Trump make those remarks. 'I didn't hear that,' Mr. Bolton said in an interview." (The New York Times, 9/4/2020)

Mick Mulvaney, Former Acting White House Chief of Staff: "These claims are simply outrageous. I never heard the President disparage our war dead or wounded. In fact, the exact opposite is true. I was with him at the 75th Anniversary of the D-Day invasion in Normandy. As we flew over the beaches by helicopter he was outwardly in awe of the accomplishments of the Allied Forces, and the sacrifices they paid."

Mulvaney: "As you all can probably imagine, I have seen more than my share of outrageous (and false) attacks on the President over the last few years. But this whole injured soldiers thing really, really pushes the envelope. So, just to be clear:" (Twitter, 9/4/20)
Mulvaney: "I never heard the President disparage our war dead or wounded. In fact, the exact opposite is true. I was with him at the 75th Anniversary of the D-Day invasion in Normandy...." (Twitter, 9/4/20)
Mulvaney: "As we flew over the beaches by helicopter he was outwardly in awe of the accomplishments of the Allied Forces, and the sacrifices they paid." (Twitter, 9/4/20)
Stephen Miller, White House Senior Advisor, And Tony Ornato, Then-Secret Service Special Agent In Charge Of The Presidential Protective Division, Have Denied The Atlantic Article. (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Derek Lyons, Staff Secretary and Counselor to the President, And Dan Walsh, Former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Have Denied The Atlantic Article. (Twitter, 9/4/20)

Other Administration Officials

Lt. General Keith Kellogg (Ret.), National Security Adviser for Vice President Pence: "The Atlantic story is completely false. Absolutely lacks merit. I've been by the President's side. He has always shown the highest respect to our active duty troops and veterans with utmost respect paid to those who have given the ultimate sacrifice and those wounded in battle." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Mark Meadows, White House Chief of Staff: "In the time that I've known @realDonaldTrump, both as a member of Congress and most recently serving as his Chief of Staff, I've seen publicly and privately how he treats our men and women in uniform. I've personally accompanied him to Walter Reed and veterans events of all...kinds, where he directly interacts with service members and their families, with and without cameras present. I've seen firsthand the level of respect and admiration he has for those who have stepped up to serve our country. The anonymous allegations... ..contained in the Atlantic story are offensive, false, and utterly devoid of merit. To veterans all over the country reading this nonsense: President Trump loves you, appreciates you, and will ALWAYS be there for you. No false political hit job will EVER change that." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Alyssa Farah, White House Communications Director: "On that Atlantic piece: It's offensive & patently false. @realDonaldTrump holds the military in the highest regard. He's demonstrated his commitment to the force: delivering a pay raise to our troops, increasing military $$, signing vets reform & supporting military spouses. I've watched @realDonaldTrump solemnly sign letters to the families of fallen heroes. He's honored their memories by doing more than any modern president to get us OUT of endless wars." (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Kayleigh McEnany, Press Secretary for President Trump: "I see President @realDonaldTrump consistently express his heartfelt gratitude and absolute admiration for our brave men and women in uniform. Just yesterday, he was truly humbled to be in the presence of our courageous World War II veterans. This Atlantic story is garbage!" (Twitter, 9/3/20)

Judd Deere, Deputy Press Secretary for President Trump: "Not a soul brave enough to put their name on any of these accusations. That's because they are false. Just another anonymously sourced story meant to tear down a Commander-in-Chief who loves our military and has delivered on the promises he's made. What a disgrace!" (Twitter, 9/3/20)

But anonymous sources.....
GoPack2008
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I never used the word racist.

And yes, everyone is racist on some level, myself included. Why are you so scared of that word?

But We are off topic. You like Trump a lot. Why can't you just admit that even if he did say exactly this, you wouldn't care? You're allowed to have that position! Just be honest.
packgrad
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GoPack2008 said:

I never used the word racist.

And yes, everyone is racist on some level, myself included. Why are you so scared of that word?

But We are off topic. You like Trump a lot. Why can't you just admit that even if he did say exactly this, you wouldn't care? You're allowed to have that position! Just be honest.


Bubububut I didn't say racist!!!! That is probably one of your best retorts. Godalmighty.

. Sorry that you live for anonymous sources that confirm your religion that orange man bad.
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Lets look at this like we would if you were turning in a paper when you were in school. If you dropped a paper on the teacher's desk and under every fact you sited you put anonymous....you would either be told to redo it or would just be given a zero on it.

Things like this is why the media have almost no credibility with a huge chunk of the population of this country.

The Atlantic rolled out a story that makes Trump look like he hates a segment of the population that is very pro Trump the very same week that polls started to come out and show that Biden is losing a lot of ground to Trump. On top of that the article has anonymous sources that aren't willing to stand behind an accusation like that, and we have several people that we can verify were there that say it never happened.

I know a few folks here will say that the sources want to stay anonymous because Trump will go after them on twitter......I don't buy it. The truth is that they would be greeted on Capital Hill as heros....so i don't buy it.




Bas2020
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Think with common sense .... there is zero reason for any source to be anonymous on this .. unless they were lying . Hating trump is a badge of honor for this people they would get extra woke applause from the blue checks . They are anonymous because they are full of **** even by John Bolton's own account .
 
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