GuerrillaPack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Werewolf said:

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https://www.educationviews.org/vaccine-acquired-immune-deficiency-syndrome-vaids-we-should-anticipate-seeing-this-immune-erosion-more-widely/

Dr. Mormod; I see New England Journal of Medicine referenced here in the article. I wonder if a hospitalist would speak out about such a thing as VAIDS in his/her hospital?

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werewolf, feel free to debate the issues. Stop going after members here. Man, your posting style really seems familiar.

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1. I'm not a big fan of werewolf, and I'm sure that he's not a big fan of me either… if you *think* that he's BBW, then I don't know what to even begin to say to that… he couldn't carry BBW's jock as far as I am concerned.
2. He probably has some good points in there somewhere, but he completely ****s it up with his delivery.
3. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care who wants to post whatever, but for god's sake when your only intent is to ruin the best thread on the WC, then you need to post your tripe somewhere else.
4. Davie and Wayland have been consistent from the start. I don't speak for them (and they don't need me to) but I don't think that either has ever defended the numbers that they have had availability to use. They are only using what is available, and I believe that each of them have mentioned several times over the last two years that they feel that the numbers are cooked.
5. Mormad doesn't need anyone here to stand up for him. His qualifications are impeccable. Surprised that he has been as "measured" in his responses as he has been, and I give him even more respect for doing so. I wouldn't be able to restrain myself to the level that he has.
6. All the above being said, the coding definitely affects the numbers… but no one needed werewolf to tell us that, it's been said here for at least the last year and a half.
7. I'm sure there are other necessary comments that need to be made here, but this is round 1.

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1. Totally agree that Werewolf is NOT BBW. Their posting styles and verbiage they use is totally different.
2. "Delivery" is completely overrated. The commie Establishment Lamestream media has great "delivery", with slick graphics and teleprompter-reading presstitutes in slick suits to push the propaganda. But it's all lies. The truth is hard, and hurts.
3. You can not censor people for posting info you disagree with, even if in your favorite thread. Werewolf is not trying to "ruin" anything. He's simply posting info you happen to disagree with. "Ruin", by your definition, just means you disagree with his view. If you don't want to read his posts, you can use the "ignore" feature. But you cannot call for him to be banned and censored from the thread because you disagree with his views.

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TheStorm said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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TheStorm said:

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Steve Williams said:

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Werewolf said:

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https://www.educationviews.org/vaccine-acquired-immune-deficiency-syndrome-vaids-we-should-anticipate-seeing-this-immune-erosion-more-widely/

Dr. Mormod; I see New England Journal of Medicine referenced here in the article. I wonder if a hospitalist would speak out about such a thing as VAIDS in his/her hospital?

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werewolf, feel free to debate the issues. Stop going after members here. Man, your posting style really seems familiar.

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1. I'm not a big fan of werewolf, and I'm sure that he's not a big fan of me either… if you *think* that he's BBW, then I don't know what to even begin to say to that… he couldn't carry BBW's jock as far as I am concerned.
2. He probably has some good points in there somewhere, but he completely ****s it up with his delivery.
3. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't care who wants to post whatever, but for god's sake when your only intent is to ruin the best thread on the WC, then you need to post your tripe somewhere else.
4. Davie and Wayland have been consistent from the start. I don't speak for them (and they don't need me to) but I don't think that either has ever defended the numbers that they have had availability to use. They are only using what is available, and I believe that each of them have mentioned several times over the last two years that they feel that the numbers are cooked.
5. Mormad doesn't need anyone here to stand up for him. His qualifications are impeccable. Surprised that he has been as "measured" in his responses as he has been, and I give him even more respect for doing so. I wouldn't be able to restrain myself to the level that he has.
6. All the above being said, the coding definitely affects the numbers… but no one needed werewolf to tell us that, it's been said here for at least the last year and a half.
7. I'm sure there are other necessary comments that need to be made here, but this is round 1.

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1. Totally agree that Werewolf is NOT BBW. Their posting styles and verbiage they use is totally different.
2. "Delivery" is completely overrated. The commie Establishment Lamestream media has great "delivery", with slick graphics and teleprompter-reading presstitutes in slick suits to push the propaganda. But it's all lies. The truth is hard, and hurts.
3. You can not censor people for posting info you disagree with, even if in your favorite thread. Werewolf is not trying to "ruin" anything. He's simply posting info you happen to disagree with. "Ruin", by your definition, just means you disagree with his view. If you don't want to read his posts, you can use the "ignore" feature. But you cannot call for him to be banned and censored from the thread because you disagree with his views.

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2. It causes people to not even bother to read what he posts… if you (or "he") can't figure that out, then that's on you two… not me.
3. He has become that poster that used to be the one that every post had a link to their own "shopping network"… yeah, I know that's not what he is doing, but his posts are the epitome of "spam"… he could put all that stuff on his own thread if he wanted to instead of ****ing up this thread.

I see that you ended up puss ing out on answering 4, 5 & 6… but not surprised.

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hokiewolf said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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I can provide an example of our hospital losing money with COVID patients.

During the summer wave of 2020, our system had put all non-emergent surgeries on hold. To offset that, they had outpatient providers take full weeks off at 50% pay. They had some nursing staff out for up to 8 weeks without pay. COVID patients are ridiculously expensive and outpatient clinics make zero profits for hospital systems. The money comes from surgeries, urgent care visits, and referrals to specialists for surgeries.

Luckily now, numbers are up, but not exceeding capacity. Most surgeries are continuing at the moment. The big worry for our system is staff. Omicron spreads like wildfire. Our system has even mentioned letting providers or nurses work while COVID + (in full PPE, N95) if needed. That has not had to happen so far, thankfully.

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Even if, hypothetically, hospitals are losing money with "covid" patients...there is STILL the financial incentive to label or designate a patient as a "covid" patient...because you get the extra money from the Feds for each patient you label as a "covid" patient...whether they actually have "covid" or not.

That's where the bogus PCR and other "testing" comes in handy...with probably 75% false positives...to falsely label tons of patients as "covid" patients when they don't actually have the black death Rona.

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"Tons" LOL. The amount of planning this would take in each hospital system and the amount of people that would have to be involved to code patients as a covid patient would be an unbelievable undertaking. How come there have been no whistle blowers within health systems? Is everyone that works a health system in coding and billing and administration crooks?

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PackPA2015 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Even if, hypothetically, hospitals are losing money with "covid" patients...there is STILL the financial incentive to label or designate a patient as a "covid" patient...because you get the extra money from the Feds for each patient you label as a "covid" patient...whether they actually have "covid" or not.

That's where the bogus PCR and other "testing" comes in handy...with probably 75% false positives...to falsely label tons of patients as "covid" patients when they don't actually have the black death Rona.

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No provider or administration has incentive to make a few extra pennies to make up for their billions in deficits. They are much, much more worried about keeping their surgical programs open and running without COVID spread.

That number is not even close to accurate on the false positivity rate. Most tests are rated at about 80-85% sensitivity (measuring whether a positive is a true positive) and 98-99% specificity (measuring whether a negative is a true negative).

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TheStorm said:

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On another note, the Novak Djokovic saga going on in Australia is nothing but a complete disservice to sports in general… was it mandatory for Olympic Athletes to be vaccinated to go to Tokyo? If I were him, I would never, ever go back to that country again, and as he continues to ascend to the all-time leader in Grand Slam championships, I would do everything within my power to discourage others from going to such a Marxist state.

From a kid that was born in a former communist country nonetheless.

And the commentary on ESPN is totally disgusting… the more that politics gets dragged into sports, the less that I will continue to watch.

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PackPA2015 said:

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Yes, because those billions of dollars are split between all of the systems that have lost revenues.

"The average payment being announced today for small providers is $58,000, for medium providers is $289,000, and for large providers is $1.7 million. More than 69,000 providers in all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and eight territories will receive Phase 4 payments."

Considering an average COVID patient hospitalizations costs 20-40K each depending on severity, length of stay, etc., that is pennies on the dollar.

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packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Yes, because those billions of dollars are split between all of the systems that have lost revenues.

"The average payment being announced today for small providers is $58,000, for medium providers is $289,000, and for large providers is $1.7 million. More than 69,000 providers in all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and eight territories will receive Phase 4 payments."

Considering an average COVID patient hospitalizations costs 20-40K each depending on severity, length of stay, etc., that is pennies on the dollar.

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If you think a $58000 stimulus payment to a small provider is "pennies" you accentuate how completely out of touch you are. They don't have to get *****

The stimulus also accentuates why coding patients covid is important.

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packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Even if, hypothetically, hospitals are losing money with "covid" patients...there is STILL the financial incentive to label or designate a patient as a "covid" patient...because you get the extra money from the Feds for each patient you label as a "covid" patient...whether they actually have "covid" or not.

That's where the bogus PCR and other "testing" comes in handy...with probably 75% false positives...to falsely label tons of patients as "covid" patients when they don't actually have the black death Rona.

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No provider or administration has incentive to make a few extra pennies to make up for their billions in deficits. They are much, much more worried about keeping their surgical programs open and running without COVID spread.

That number is not even close to accurate on the false positivity rate. Most tests are rated at about 80-85% sensitivity (measuring whether a positive is a true positive) and 98-99% specificity (measuring whether a negative is a true negative).

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$9 billion to $17 billion is "pennies"?

https://www.aha.org/topics/covid-19-coverage-and-reimbursement

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PackPA2015 said:

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And this is why I do not post in this thread much anymore.

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packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Yes, because those billions of dollars are split between all of the systems that have lost revenues.

"The average payment being announced today for small providers is $58,000, for medium providers is $289,000, and for large providers is $1.7 million. More than 69,000 providers in all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and eight territories will receive Phase 4 payments."

Considering an average COVID patient hospitalizations costs 20-40K each depending on severity, length of stay, etc., that is pennies on the dollar.

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If you think a $58000 stimulus payment to a small provider is "pennies" you accentuate how completely out of touch you are. They don't have to get *****

The stimulus also accentuates why coding patients covid is important.

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Mormad said:

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packgrad said:

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PackPA2015 said:

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Yes, because those billions of dollars are split between all of the systems that have lost revenues.

"The average payment being announced today for small providers is $58,000, for medium providers is $289,000, and for large providers is $1.7 million. More than 69,000 providers in all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and eight territories will receive Phase 4 payments."

Considering an average COVID patient hospitalizations costs 20-40K each depending on severity, length of stay, etc., that is pennies on the dollar.

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If you think a $58000 stimulus payment to a small provider is "pennies" you accentuate how completely out of touch you are. They don't have to get *****

The stimulus also accentuates why coding patients covid is important.

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I completely agree that coding pts as covid when they are indeed covid is important. It's also fair. I think we both agree that there's opportunity for fraud here, but i don't imagine it's very prevalent honestly. You may disagree.

To put the 58k number into perspective (i don't know how they defined small practice honestly, and we're a very large pvt practice group), that's about 10% of what it costs to run the office per month. Again, i don't want to sound ungrateful, but it's not a great sum of money for businesses like ours. But it definitely helps.

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Oldsouljer said:

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hokiewolf said:

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Steve Videtich said:

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Mormad said:

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Maybe initially, Steve. I get it. But it's also intellectually lazy or disingenuous to assume, complain, argue without doing some reasonable research or info gathering. It's not that hard. That's drawing conclusions instead of making ignorant assumptions imho

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Not being lazy at all. Don't be lazy and make assumptions about me and what I think. It's natural for people to have an opinion based on their perspectives, we all do. But, that perspective can also give us blind spots to reality, both inside and out. Nobody should be discounted for their thoughts and opinions, because the truth lies somewhere in the middle most times.

If I've learned anything in the last 4-5 years, it's to listen more. Just because I post something, doesn't mean that's what I die on the hill for. It's just food for thought. I appreciate and value everyone's input.

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maybe so but he has a point. Hospital systems basically make money on out patient surgeries and thats about it. If you're in the hospital more than three days, you're pretty much costing the hospital money.

No one in the hospital administrator community was rejoicing over Covid like "finally! We're getting paid!" In fact, it was the exact opposite.

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While I'm not unsympathetic to the hospitals need to remain a going concern, the hospitals have won a lot of political victories in establishing and maintaining certificate of need laws. Frankly, that one issue has me somewhat less than sympathetic to them but I'm open minded enough on the subject that I'd listen to someone make a strong case on why CON is vital to the maintenance of public health in North Carolina.

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Werewolf said:

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https://www.revolver.news/2021/08/navy-commander-warns-national-security-threat-from-mandatory-vaccination/

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" The forced vaccination of all military personnel with the present COVID-19 vaccines may compromise U.S. national security due to the unknown extent of serious vaccine complications,"writes Furman. "Further study is needed before committing the Total Force to one irreversible experimental group. Initial reports leave more concern for the COVID-19 vaccinations than the virus itself for the (at present) exceptionally healthy military population."

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Illegal vaccine link to Gulf war syndrome

Paul Brown, environment correspondent
Sun 29 Jul 2001

The illness known as Gulf war syndrome looks likely to have been caused by an illegal vaccine "booster" given by the Ministry of Defence to protect soldiers against biological weapons, according to the results of a new series of tests.

Scientists in the United States found that symptoms of the illness were the same for service personnel who received the injections whether or not they served in the Gulf.

The common factor for the 275,000 British and US veterans who are ill appears to be a substance called squalene, allegedly used in injections to add to their potency. Such an action would have been illegal. Squalene is not licensed for use on either side of the Atlantic because of potential side effects.

Pam Asa and her team at the Tulane medical school in Louisiana tested more than 300 former US military personnel who were given vaccinations to go to the Gulf: 95% tested positive for squalene antibodies.

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hokiewolf said:

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cowboypack02 said:

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The 'rona finally got me fellas.....

I'm quarantined for the next week

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im with you brother, my symptoms have been mild so far though

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🚨 From prison threats to fines: How the world is turning up the heat on the unvaccinated.

As the Novak Djokovic saga has shown, politicians across the world are losing patience with the unvaccinated. #Threadhttps://t.co/wy2KWBGKUb @Telegraph

— Telegraph Global Health Security (@TelGlobalHealth) January 14, 2022

270 health experts to Spotify: Joe Rogan's Covid misinformation is 'a sociological issue of devastating proportions' https://t.co/ncxCTaVCkh

— CNBC International (@CNBCi) January 14, 2022

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In an open letter addressed to Spotify, 270 science and health professionals said the podcast was "broadcasting misinformation, particularly regarding the Covid-19 pandemic." The letter then asked Spotify to "take action against mass-misinformation events" on its platform. Notably, it didn't recommend any specific actions for the the streaming platform to take.

The letter specifically highlighted a December 31 episode featuring Dr. Robert Malone, a virologist who was recently banned from Twitter for spreading vaccine falsehoods.

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