It's the same with Florida. Why are they not mentioned in the news every day? It's all about fear and control. They want you afraid so they can control you. Aka, mandates.

So is Joe Biden done with masks now? This is him last night in Virginia. pic.twitter.com/HDNtSewGrF

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 27, 2021

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That's awesome, we should strive to be like them. Norway has fully vaccinated 86.6% of their population and over 90% have at least one shot.

https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-programme/coronavirus-vaccination---statistic/

Oh I'm not proposing anything, just noting that Norway being held up as an example is great but they have a higher vaccination level.

That's fair - but aren't the waning antibodies consistent with what they're seeing with the other vaccines but not as present in Pfizer/Moderna? Israel also did a 3 week time period between doses vs. at least 4, with the longer duration recommended for building up stronger immunity?

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Getting my booster today, apparently my tracking device quit working.

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update, I feel unwell

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No bueno man. How does it compare to the first go-round?

Feel better soon!

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It was wild man. First shot, had some fatigue and that's about it for around a day. 2nd shot nothing other than an incredibly sore arm for a few days. When I spoke to my Dr about getting the booster, we went through everything and she did warn me that the reaction could be more severe. It was.

My fever spiked around 103 last night and finally broke around 5am this morning. Every joint hurts. And the weirdest symptom was that my chest and abdomen I can only describe it as feeling incredibly bloated which made finding a position to sleep uncomfortable.

This morning, I still feel like I was in a car wreck, but other than that everything else went away.

I'm still glad I got the booster, because I did my research and talked to my physician about it weighed the pros and cons. I feel like you're taking the hard road getting Covid for the antibodies. I felt horrible for about 16 hours, I can't imagine feeling like that for days.

I think this vaccine shouldn't be mandated and I think govt mandates create animosity especially when they don't have a cohesive message about them, which hasn't occurred at any time during this pandemic. You should have the ability to choose to get vaccinated or not, but like I said above being unvaccinated is taking the hard road to immunity.

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Um, yeah, that sounds terrible. Like you said, better a few hours than a week or longer of feeling rotten but not a fun day for sure.

Glad you're on the upswing today!

I talked to my doc yesterday, he reiterated the main data of efficacy is for immunocompromised and those over 65 who don't have robust immune responses.

He also specifically mentioned that the FDA committee that made these recommendations admitted that they weren't sure if the booster would actually be helpful for other people at this time as the vaccines have continued to show great efficacy in reducing risk of severe illness and death with the primary series in younger people.

At the end of the day, he basically said it likely wouldn't hurt to have it but it really is personal preference for someone in my age/health/circumstance.

An interesting look at UK data broken down per capita. Worth reviewing the whole thread, not just top line.

Not a scientific study, but just observational data.

While there is effectiveness in preventing death (although appears even that to be waning some), the per capita infection rate is higher in their > 40 vaccinated population than in the > 40 unvaccinated.

If this bears out elsewhere, it does ask a good question why we have two sets of rules for vaxed and unvaxed.

10.28.21: UK CoV2 infection rates among fully vaxxed remain higher & are growing faster than those of the unvaxxed in most age cohorts. ➡️ If both vaxxed & unvaxxed of all ages get infected & spread - and in most age groups, the vaxxed moreso - vaxx passports are pointless. pic.twitter.com/LebCYvAzNC

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) October 28, 2021

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An interesting look at UK data broken down per capita. Worth reviewing the whole thread, not just top line.

Not a scientific study, but just observational data.

While there is effectiveness in preventing death (although appears even that to be waning some), the per capita infection rate is higher in their > 40 vaccinated population than in the > 40 unvaccinated.

If this bears out elsewhere, it does ask a good question why we have two sets of rules for vaxed and unvaxed.

10.28.21: UK CoV2 infection rates among fully vaxxed remain higher & are growing faster than those of the unvaxxed in most age cohorts. ➡️ If both vaxxed & unvaxxed of all ages get infected & spread - and in most age groups, the vaxxed moreso - vaxx passports are pointless. pic.twitter.com/LebCYvAzNC

— Don Wolt (@tlowdon) October 28, 2021

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Interesting to follow up with this pre-print study which shows VE as negative after 8 months against infection.

New study from Sweden, (preprint) published in The Lancet, reveals that #Covid19 vaccines have a very short lasting effect!

- VE against infection drops below 50% CDC threshold at 5 months (6m for severe)
- VE against infection becomes negative at 8m#Covid #Corona #Coronavirus pic.twitter.com/th1676GDHX

— Ben M. (@USMortality) October 28, 2021

Not that I know if there is anything to any of this, but there is so much we don't know. It is obviously pre-print and there is a lot of noise out there.

And I am not at all trying to be all conspiracy theory, as the reduction in severity of outcome from COVID infection from vaccines is evident in the short term .... but what are the consequences of a negative VE for infection for the long run? Are there greater implications outside of COVID?

But even if VE against infection just goes to 0 after a few months? We are just delaying.

Nothing happens in a vacuum.

The majority of actions taken around COVID have been myopic and not looked at consequences (or minimized concern for them) outside the pandemic (be it NPI or pharmacological).

EDIT: Apparently the Swedish study is the hot topic of some today.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/swedish-study-shows-covid-vaccines?

There's no point in me trying to get a vaccine for my kids now. They're all at home this week with runny noses. They're also playing, dancing, rough housing (I'm trying to keep them calm), and doing their school work. My daughter now does not feel well but we don't have a confirmed positive with her yet. I hope she has it so we can get it over with in our house. The last thing I want is for 8-10 days to go by and THEN she has it.

I'll say this my kids are barely even acting sick. Yes there are moments but I've seen them much much sicker than this with certain colds, sinus infections, and strep. We had flu run through my house right before COVID really came in mass onto our shores. That was bad... those kids were really sick then. This is frustrating but feeling very lucky to see these kids feeling OK. And as I remind them... missing a little Halloween is disappointing but you can feel good about Christmas!

Great angle to take with the kids. Halloween is great, but Christmas is the all timer.

Glad to hear everyone is faring well.

https://thetruedefender.com/male-children-have-83-higher-death-rate-since-getting-the-c-19-vaccine-than-the-5-year-average/?utm_source=pushengage&utm_medium=pushengage&utm_campaign=pushengage

https://defycablenews.com/gmVstD

Hokie which booster shot did you get.

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It's the same with Florida. Why are they not mentioned in the news every day? It's all about fear and control. They want you afraid so they can control you. Aka, mandates.

So is Joe Biden done with masks now? This is him last night in Virginia. pic.twitter.com/HDNtSewGrF

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) October 27, 2021

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Good point.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-covid-cases-among-lowest-in-the-country

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It was wild man. First shot, had some fatigue and that's about it for around a day. 2nd shot nothing other than an incredibly sore arm for a few days. When I spoke to my Dr about getting the booster, we went through everything and she did warn me that the reaction could be more severe. It was.

My fever spiked around 103 last night and finally broke around 5am this morning. Every joint hurts. And the weirdest symptom was that my chest and abdomen I can only describe it as feeling incredibly bloated which made finding a position to sleep uncomfortable.

This morning, I still feel like I was in a car wreck, but other than that everything else went away.

I'm still glad I got the booster, because I did my research and talked to my physician about it weighed the pros and cons. I feel like you're taking the hard road getting Covid for the antibodies. I felt horrible for about 16 hours, I can't imagine feeling like that for days.

I think this vaccine shouldn't be mandated and I think govt mandates create animosity especially when they don't have a cohesive message about them, which hasn't occurred at any time during this pandemic. You should have the ability to choose to get vaccinated or not, but like I said above being unvaccinated is taking the hard road to immunity.

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Sounds like you were symptomatic. Hope you went and got tested and (if positive) are currently quarantining...

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I hope she has it so we can get it over with in our house.

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This reminds me of my parent's generation and their prevailing thought at the time on the Chicken Pox...

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In response to the falling #COVID19 infection rates in Cary & surrounding area, Mayor Weinbrecht has announced that the Town’s indoor mask mandate will end at 12:01 a.m. on 10/29. Learn more: https://t.co/4S08eJQctr

View the full announcement: https://t.co/x4yHJESknG pic.twitter.com/KTvpNKfkIK

— Town of Scary 👻 (@TownofCary) October 28, 2021

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Ha! and the New Hanover County Health Board (currently with less than half the rate per 100,000 residents than Wake County) just announced last week that they will somehow find a way to meet November 12 to review whether or not to continue their stated mask mandate... the same mask mandate that has largely been ignored since Day 1 and isn't being enforced...

November 12. Science!?!

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New Hanover came down fast, has been out of the arbitrary HIGH category for about two weeks. Will post the random counties chart after today's update along with the top 7 population county chart.

No need man, I'm wearing a cloth mask

Starting to see signs of slowdown in the decline. Curious to see what next week brings... how long until the next bounce?

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Just In: Wake officials reiterate plan to keep mask mandate in place, while mayor lifts Fayetteville's mask requirement https://t.co/HFmKGpCoKl

— WRAL NEWS in NC (@WRAL) October 29, 2021

This is going to be my breaking point. Im done with this

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Nobody enforces these "mandates". They are not real mandates. There is no enforcement mechanism in the legal "declarations" (official documents). I've read them (for Wake County, Durham, Chapel Hill). In at least one of them, it explicitly said in the document that it was actually only a declaration to encourage "voluntary compliance". There are no penalties for not wearing a mask, such as fines. And they explicitly state that police are not be used to enforce the "mandates". It is only up to businesses to "enforce" them. And most businesses do not even bother trying to enforce them. I've haven't worn a mask one single time in the last two/three months (in Wake, Durham, and Orange counties) since they put out these fake mandates.

Furthermore, you can easily get out of wearing one (if a business happens to ask you to wear one) by simply claiming that you have a health/medical exemption that prevents you from wearing a mask...and the mandate ordinances explicitly state that you do not have to provide any documentation or proof to the business in order to verify your medical condition. It's just on the "honor system". And it's not deceptive. EVERYONE has a legitimate health reason for not wearing a mask -- ie, needing to get proper levels of oxygen, and not breathe in your own recylcled CO2.

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Oh I'm not proposing anything, just noting that Norway being held up as an example is great but they have a higher vaccination level.

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Norway sees rising infections, braces for winter virus wave (yahoo.com)

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Oh I'm not proposing anything, just noting that Norway being held up as an example is great but they have a higher vaccination level.

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Norway sees rising infections, braces for winter virus wave (yahoo.com)

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To everything, turn turn turn.



Adding U.S. and Estonia (since it was mentioned) for reference.



Again, does not account for relative testing rate.

I am doing cardiac rehab wearing a mask. Had a lot of difficulty this week trying to get enough air to push myself. Just about put myself into cardiac fibrillation today due to lack of air. The monitor was going off.

If covid was truly this "super deadly" virus and these "vaccines" were truly preventing cases and deaths, then why aren't these 3rd world countries with very low vaccination rates getting absolutely decimated by the Rona? Why, for example, has a country like Nigeria (with only ~2% of its population vaccinated) only had 2,900 deaths from covid during this entire scamdemic/pLandemic? Or how has Egypt (with approxmiately 14% vaccinated) only had 18,000 deaths?

How is it possible that the United States leads the entire world in "covid deaths"...and, for example, the nation of India (with 4 times the population of the U.S.) has only 60% of the covid deaths that the U.S. has?

That is not possible. India has vastly inferior sanitary conditions and medical care. It reeks of an agenda to deliberately inflate/exaggerate the number of cases in the United States (to push a certain tyrannical agenda).

And now I have it haha. Feel fine though. Tired and head hurts. Stuffy. I was sick 3 week ago and it was 100 times worse than this. Kids are good. They're battling. Mostly stuffy and tired of being home.