GuerrillaPack said:

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I can't find the post, but a few days ago people were discussing the fact that ~40% of the "delta cases" in the UK are among vaccinated people. I recall that one person was trying to spin that fact as "good for the vaccines" by claiming that the UK had some "really high" vaccination rate among their population - with the argument along the lines of "if almost everyone is vaccinated, then of course you might have 40% of cases among vaccinated people, but this really small portion of the population who are not vaccinated are making up 60% if the cases, making you 12 times more likely to get the virus if you are not vaccinated". Well, that's actually not the case at all. I looked up the number, and only 54% of the UK population are fully vaccinated. While that's among the highest rate of any nation in the world, it's not like the "vast majority" of the population are jabbed, as this person was arguing.

I don't buy for one second the claim right now that "~98%" of current covid cases in the US are among the unvaccinated. They are cooking the books with the "data" to push their pro-vaccine agenda.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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More on vaccination of people under the age of 18. In the UK, the Joint Commission on Vaccination and Immunization has come out with their position and it is:

"The health benefits in this population are small, and the benefits to the wider pop. are highly uncertain. At this time, JCVI is of the view that the health benefits of universal vaccination in children and young people below the age of 18 do not outweigh the potential risks."

I doubt this gets much if any mention in the mainstream media in the US.

Read the full story here:
Independent Report - JCVI statement on Covid-19 vaccination of children and of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years

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Early in the pandemic, the United States had an undertesting problem. Now we are overtesting those who are immune and asymptomatic. A person with immunity to the coronavirus will fight off an infection. But during and after the person's exposure to the virus, it's common for a low number of virus particles to be detectable in the nose. In medicine, we call this virus a "colonizer" a pathogen that does not cause illness or spread the illness. It's an incidental finding. But in today's world of routine coronavirus testing of vaccinated people, these positive tests are inflating the number of positive cases in a misleading way.

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Testing people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms could extend this pandemic forever. That's because a PCR test, which still remains the gold standard of testing (over antigen-based testing), can detect just a few virus particles or even just one. Those small amounts of the virus are not enough to cause transmission, according to studies in the Journal of Infectious Diseases and the Lancet. Indeed, such small amounts of exposure can boost immunity in the vaccinated while causing no ill effects.


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But by now, in almost all cases, testing the asymptomatic vaccinated and tallying cases among them has become counterproductive.

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Wayland said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/21/covid-testing-vaccinated/

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Early in the pandemic, the United States had an undertesting problem. Now we are overtesting those who are immune and asymptomatic. A person with immunity to the coronavirus will fight off an infection. But during and after the person's exposure to the virus, it's common for a low number of virus particles to be detectable in the nose. In medicine, we call this virus a "colonizer" a pathogen that does not cause illness or spread the illness. It's an incidental finding. But in today's world of routine coronavirus testing of vaccinated people, these positive tests are inflating the number of positive cases in a misleading way.

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Testing people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms could extend this pandemic forever. That's because a PCR test, which still remains the gold standard of testing (over antigen-based testing), can detect just a few virus particles or even just one. Those small amounts of the virus are not enough to cause transmission, according to studies in the Journal of Infectious Diseases and the Lancet. Indeed, such small amounts of exposure can boost immunity in the vaccinated while causing no ill effects.


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But by now, in almost all cases, testing the asymptomatic vaccinated and tallying cases among them has become counterproductive.

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Seems like Marty and Monica are joining my team.

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Daviewolf83 said:

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Civilized said:

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Wayland said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/21/covid-testing-vaccinated/

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Early in the pandemic, the United States had an undertesting problem. Now we are overtesting those who are immune and asymptomatic. A person with immunity to the coronavirus will fight off an infection. But during and after the person's exposure to the virus, it's common for a low number of virus particles to be detectable in the nose. In medicine, we call this virus a "colonizer" a pathogen that does not cause illness or spread the illness. It's an incidental finding. But in today's world of routine coronavirus testing of vaccinated people, these positive tests are inflating the number of positive cases in a misleading way.

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Testing people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms could extend this pandemic forever. That's because a PCR test, which still remains the gold standard of testing (over antigen-based testing), can detect just a few virus particles or even just one. Those small amounts of the virus are not enough to cause transmission, according to studies in the Journal of Infectious Diseases and the Lancet. Indeed, such small amounts of exposure can boost immunity in the vaccinated while causing no ill effects.


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But by now, in almost all cases, testing the asymptomatic vaccinated and tallying cases among them has become counterproductive.

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Seems like Marty and Monica are joining my team.

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Awesome, my Omaha flashbacks are now fully triggered.

And enemy made. Thanks. Thanks for nothing, Wayland.

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I said it when State had vaccinated players with no symptoms test positive and I just posted it on an Alphawolf thread - we should not be testing vaccinated people (or players) that are asymptomatic. If you do so, you will find people who test positive that may never become symptomatic and never transmit the virus to others.

I am very nervous this could be a protocol for sports in the Fall in the ACC and other conferences and it is all a result of what happened to State in Omaha. It is not based on science and it is a complete over-reaction. If we test vaccinated people for Covid, we actually do not want to end the hysteria around this disease.

Just last night, WRAL with more stupid and hysterical reporting on the recent outbreak. At one point they said "experts are surprised" by the recent outbreak. I immediately turned to my wife and said, "they need to find better experts, since I have been predicting this Summer outbreak for a few months." They went on to say that children becoming infected could cause the current outbreak to spread. This is absolutely stupid for them to say. At no point in this pandemic have children been a significant vector to the expansion of cases. In fact, initial fears that children would be vectors for spread (like they are with the yearly flu) were found to be wrong and many doctor's admitted they got it wrong. Apparently, every day is a new day for WRAL and what happened yesterday or last year does not matter.

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The guidance in the toolkit strongly states that schools should require masks indoors for everyone – students and teachers – in kindergarten through 8th grade. It also directs schools to ensure unvaccinated high school students and teachers wear masks indoors.

— Governor Roy Cooper (@NC_Governor) July 21, 2021

Noticing Governor Roy Cooper and Dr. Mandy Cohen are saying "should" not must when it comes to masks in schools. The current EO expires at the end of July and Governor Roy Cooper said it will not be renewed.

— Joe Bruno (@JoeBrunoWSOC9) July 21, 2021

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Wayland said:

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/07/21/covid-testing-vaccinated/

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Early in the pandemic, the United States had an undertesting problem. Now we are overtesting those who are immune and asymptomatic. A person with immunity to the coronavirus will fight off an infection. But during and after the person's exposure to the virus, it's common for a low number of virus particles to be detectable in the nose. In medicine, we call this virus a "colonizer" a pathogen that does not cause illness or spread the illness. It's an incidental finding. But in today's world of routine coronavirus testing of vaccinated people, these positive tests are inflating the number of positive cases in a misleading way.

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Testing people who have been vaccinated and have no symptoms could extend this pandemic forever. That's because a PCR test, which still remains the gold standard of testing (over antigen-based testing), can detect just a few virus particles or even just one. Those small amounts of the virus are not enough to cause transmission, according to studies in the Journal of Infectious Diseases and the Lancet. Indeed, such small amounts of exposure can boost immunity in the vaccinated while causing no ill effects.


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But by now, in almost all cases, testing the asymptomatic vaccinated and tallying cases among them has become counterproductive.

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Seems like Marty and Monica are joining my team.

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Awesome, my Omaha flashbacks are now fully triggered.

And enemy made. Thanks. Thanks for nothing, Wayland.

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Just last night, WRAL with more stupid and hysterical reporting on the recent outbreak. At one point they said "experts are surprised" by the recent outbreak. I immediately turned to my wife and said, "they need to find better experts, since I have been predicting this Summer outbreak for a few months." They went on to say that children becoming infected could cause the current outbreak to spread. This is absolutely stupid for them to say. At no point in this pandemic have children been a significant vector to the expansion of cases. In fact, initial fears that children would be vectors for spread (like they are with the yearly flu) were found to be wrong and many doctor's admitted they got it wrong. Apparently, every day is a new day for WRAL and what happened yesterday or last year does not matter.

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Other parts of the world, particularly Australia, are still under extreme tyrannical measures over this farce. Just announced that Sydney is going under a more extreme lockdown, with around 900,000 residents in one area "sealed off" and not allowed to leave their neighborhood. All over 111 cases and 1 death (a man in his 80s). This entire covid charade and the accompanying tyranny and economic suicide is the most insane thing in world history. I can't believe that people are buying it and putting up with this madness.

Just think of what Australia would be doing if they were having a more substantial level of deaths. It won't be long before they are hauling the unvaccinated off to quarantine/detention camps. Give it a few months. Right now Australia only has about 10% of their population vaccinated.

https://instagr.am/p/CRmMmlKtvJF

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Ripper said:

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Covid is a serious virus. For a small subset of the population. The farce is treating it like everyone is going to die from it.

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statefan91 said:

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I'm surprised more people aren't here celebrating that Gov. Cooper said that the Emergency Order was expiring.

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BBW12OG said:

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statefan91 said:

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I'm surprised more people aren't here celebrating that Gov. Cooper said that the Emergency Order was expiring.

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No surprise you are quick to make him a "hero.."

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BBW12OG said:

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statefan91 said:

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I'm surprised more people aren't here celebrating that Gov. Cooper said that the Emergency Order was expiring.

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No surprise you are quick to make him a "hero.."

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Nope. I wish he had kept his mouth shut about schools because I don't want my kids having to wear a mask at school

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statefan91 said:

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Personally I like to do something about things that I don't want to happen. Not sure what good complaining about it does if you don't have any actions to go along with it.

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TheStorm said:

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Requiring a group that has next to zero risk from the virus to wear masks - in school of all places - is about the most insane thing that I've seen "mandated" in my lifetime...

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BBW12OG said:

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2020 proved that they could easily manipulate results in the places they need votes "after" they find out how many they need.

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Wayland said:

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I am just baffled at how disconnected politicians seem to be from the current reality I am experiencing.

I have watched the last few months of kids crawling all over each other at the pool and summer swim/games.

And all of a sudden we are going to potentially mask them all back up and make sure they stay in their 3 feet of distance personal space box again and pretend it is completely normal?

Who really are the vocal minority that are driving this any more? I mean, you can tell polling isn't great when all Cooper's comments about schools are 'should'.

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Wayland said:

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I am just baffled at how disconnected politicians seem to be from the current reality I am experiencing.

I have watched the last few months of kids crawling all over each other at the pool and summer swim/games.

And all of a sudden we are going to potentially mask them all back up and make sure they stay in their 3 feet of distance personal space box again and pretend it is completely normal?

Who really are the vocal minority that are driving this any more? I mean, you can tell polling isn't great when all Cooper's comments about schools are 'should'.

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Wayland said:

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I am just baffled at how disconnected politicians seem to be from the current reality I am experiencing.

I have watched the last few months of kids crawling all over each other at the pool and summer swim/games.

And all of a sudden we are going to potentially mask them all back up and make sure they stay in their 3 feet of distance personal space box again and pretend it is completely normal?

Who really are the vocal minority that are driving this any more? I mean, you can tell polling isn't great when all Cooper's comments about schools are 'should'.

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BBW12OG said:

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Notice how the "sheep" all of sudden have stopped responding... one way to get them back in their pasture is to show them factual information... but... as usual... they'll come out of hiding time to time with the latest MSM propaganda talking point, thump their self righteous bird chests and go back to their "group think" mentalility.

Like many of the ones high horsing about "proud to wear masks.."

I've said it before and I'll say it again... if you are a family member is immune system compromised I understand.

I've asked a few on here that have vilified me for daring to make comments about not wearing a mask... How many of you holier than thou mask wearers were wearing masks prior to Covid if you do have a family member that is immune system compromised? You know there used to be things called the "common cold," "the flu," as well as a number of other viruses that you should have been worried about.

But, like a typical lefty I'd guarantee you that no masks were worn until it benefited your political agendas. Hypocrites at best...and I'll leave it at that.

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