GuerrillaPack said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Found this interesting.

https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/05/26/novant-health-reports-nearly-third-staff-not-yet-covid-19-vaccinated/5060556001/

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Just as with the general population, there is a large portion within the medical community (nurses, doctors) who know that vaccines are harmful, and will not take them.

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"March noted Novant is seeing a higher acceptance rate among those with higher level clinical roles, with 91% of physicians throughout the health care system having received the vaccine."

This is a quote from the very article linked. It is not typically doctors and nurses that are refusing the vaccine.

PackPA2015 said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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wilmwolf80 said:

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Found this interesting.

https://www.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/05/26/novant-health-reports-nearly-third-staff-not-yet-covid-19-vaccinated/5060556001/

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Just as with the general population, there is a large portion within the medical community (nurses, doctors) who know that vaccines are harmful, and will not take them.

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"March noted Novant is seeing a higher acceptance rate among those with higher level clinical roles, with 91% of physicians throughout the health care system having received the vaccine."

This is a quote from the very article linked. It is not typically doctors and nurses that are refusing the vaccine.

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You don't gone and brought facts into this discussion. How dare you PA?!?!

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TheStorm said:

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Mormad said:

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... they weren't going to support anything that might be construed as helpful to "Trump" in any manner regardless, they were in full-on "electioneering" ...

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And this looks like a good spot for this...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/reporters-admit-dismissing-wuhan-lab-theory-republicans

Like I said.

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from the Foxnews article, comment section
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Largent804

19 hours ago
I agree with most of what you said, except one. I am far from convinced that "they finally admit they didn't do their jobs." They are still blaming GOP, Trump, Cotton, etc. for their unprofessionalism for being biased. In other words, "they" made us make mistakes because of what they are and what they said. If you listen to CNN, MSNBC.. the anchors hardly budged an inch. They said a lot, but in the end admitted nothing."

(emphasis mine)
posted by ps09834 in response to Largent

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That was the way I have read the various articles on these --- the media folks are blaming the fact that they mis-reported because Trump and his team were saying other bad things.
I mean....THAT is the very epitome of allowing yourself to be blinded by your political bias and not actually doing your job of reporting on the veracity of the news.

Seems like in the process of justifying why they may have missed this they admitted they allow bias to influence how they report "news".

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Things continue to trend down for NC.

Interestingly, about 8% of the cases reported today were from 2020. Including over 50 cases that are over a year old.

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Great news.

Circumstantially, my kids both got sick late last week. Fever, congested head, sore throat, cough.

Called the pediatrician after a couple of days of their hacking to get their take regarding bringing them into the office.

They took several hours to call us back and apologized for the delay, saying that they'd been absolutely slammed for several days with little "fever viruses." They also said that they'd run a couple hundred COVID tests in the last few days on all the kids that had come in, and had not had a single positive tests come back over that time period (after our kids got sick, we had them tested at a drive through and they'd also come back negative).

Good news is obviously that we're beating back COVID, thank God.

Only bad news is the re-emergence of other viruses as we dive back into living life.

In the balance of things I'll take that tradeoff all day long.

Meh! The NBA has been irrelevant for years. Jab or no jab, makes no difference to me. I haven't watched an NBA game in many years.

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Starting to ramp up the pressure to coerce people to take the jabs. How long until governments try to make it mandatory?

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Saw today that PR was reopening but limiting indoor seating to only those that have been vaxxed.

It's a business decision, and businesses are subject to the market's opinions about their decision. You have the choice regarding patronizing these businesses, or not.

The government making vaccinations mandatory is a completely different ballgame. The political will just isn't there, nor should it be in my opinion. The government mandating that we put something in our bodies is a bridge too far.

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I agree. But if a business refuses services for reasons that Leftists don't like - such as a Christian-owned bakery not wanting to bake a cake for a Sodomite fake wedding- then they raise hell to force businesses to provide service. How would you like it if businesses refused service to vaccinated people, and said they would only serve the unvaccinated?

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Civilized said:

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GuerrillaPack said:

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Starting to ramp up the pressure to coerce people to take the jabs. How long until governments try to make it mandatory?

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Saw today that PR was reopening but limiting indoor seating to only those that have been vaxxed.

It's a business decision, and businesses are subject to the market's opinions about their decision. You have the choice regarding patronizing these businesses, or not.

The government making vaccinations mandatory is a completely different ballgame. The political will just isn't there, nor should it be in my opinion. The government mandating that we put something in our bodies is a bridge too far.

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I agree. But if a business refuses services for reasons that Leftists don't like - such as a Christian-owned bakery not wanting to bake a cake for a Sodomite fake wedding- then they raise hell to force businesses to provide service. How would you like it if businesses refused service to vaccinated people, and said they would only serve the unvaccinated?

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I wouldn't care. It's that business's prerogative.

Businesses are free to discriminate against smokers, or college grads, or vaxxers, or anti-vaxxers.

Vax status isn't a protected class.

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Being a Sodomite shouldn't be a protected class.

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All else aside, I believe the Court ruled 7-2 in agreement with the baker.

Berenson is such a self-promoting histrionic drama queen.

This is from that same email author, Kristian Anderson, two months after the email from Anderson to Fauci that Berenson screen capped:

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

[url=https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9]The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2[/url]

The science was (and still is) obviously evolving and the virus origins were not clear. They definitely weren't clear in January 2020.

Why is anyone acting like, in early 2020,

a) Trump didn't have a very serious credibility problem with the media and the American public because of his steady stream of lying about everything under the sun for four prior years;
b) Trump or his administration had produced clear evidence that the virus was engineered and escaped from the lab, and the media simply ignored that clear evidence because they were biased;
c) Trump didn't have a long history of anti-China rhetoric or xenophobic statements that played to his base;
d) Trump didn't have a pronounced history of trying to shift blame to others to make himself look better or to distract from his own failings;
e) Trump didn't have electoral motivations to downplay the seriousness of COVID or his responsibility to manage the COVID crisis in America; or
f) there would have been clear electoral benefit to Trump being correct about the origin of the virus being a lab escape instead of the wet market or some other natural zoonotic means?

There was never any mistaking that COVID came out of Wuhan, whether it was from the wet market or the virology lab, and regardless of its origins we still had a crisis to manage here in America and around the world. Trump being correct or partially correct about the virus origins wasn't going to allow him to escape responsibility for how well, or not, he managed the crisis although that was certainly what he hoped would happen.

In January, immediately pre-COVID, Trump was already trailing Biden in the polls. His best and maybe only shot at reelection was to downplay the virus, champion the health of the economy, and hope that the American public bought into that narrative, maintained consumer confidence and confidence in the markets, and that our economy kept humming along.

He was a virus denier because he thought he needed to be to win reelection, and the Kung Flu/China virus rhetoric was just an extension of his virus denialism.

If he had clear evidence that COVID escaped from a lab, or even worse was engineered, why didn't his team produce it at that time? We still don't have clear evidence now; they definitely didn't have clear evidence early in the crisis when he started ramping up the China blame game.

All this "woe is Trump, the meanie libtard MSM ignored his clear and rational take on the virus origins" is myopic and inaccurate revisionist history. It ignores his huge credibility problem late in his presidency, his steady stream of anti-China rhetoric for four years, and his motivations for trying to distract the American public from the gravity of the COVID crisis and his responsibility to manage the crisis effectively regardless of its origins.

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Berenson is such a self-promoting histrionic drama queen.

This is from that same email author, Kristian Anderson, two months after the email from Anderson to Fauci that Berenson screen capped:

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus."

[url=https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9]The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2[/url]

The science was (and still is) obviously evolving and the virus origins were not clear. They definitely weren't clear in January 2020.

Why is anyone acting like, in early 2020,

a) Trump didn't have a very serious credibility problem with the media and the American public because of his steady stream of lying about everything under the sun for four prior years;
b) Trump or his administration had produced clear evidence that the virus was engineered and escaped from the lab, and the media simply ignored that clear evidence because they were biased;
c) Trump didn't have a long history of anti-China rhetoric or xenophobic statements that played to his base;
d) Trump didn't have a pronounced history of trying to shift blame to others to make himself look better or to distract from his own failings;
e) Trump didn't have electoral motivations to downplay the seriousness of COVID or his responsibility to manage the COVID crisis in America; or
f) there would have been clear electoral benefit to Trump being correct about the origin of the virus being a lab escape instead of the wet market or some other natural zoonotic means?

There was never any mistaking that COVID came out of Wuhan, whether it was from the wet market or the virology lab, and regardless of its origins we still had a crisis to manage here in America and around the world. Trump being correct or partially correct about the virus origins wasn't going to allow him to escape responsibility for how well, or not, he managed the crisis although that was certainly what he hoped would happen.

In January, immediately pre-COVID, Trump was already trailing Biden in the polls. His best and maybe only shot at reelection was to downplay the virus, champion the health of the economy, and hope that the American public bought into that narrative, maintained consumer confidence and confidence in the markets, and that our economy kept humming along.

He was a virus denier because he thought he needed to be to win reelection, and the Kung Flu/China virus rhetoric was just an extension of his virus denialism.

If he had clear evidence that COVID escaped from a lab, or even worse was engineered, why didn't his team produce it at that time? We still don't have clear evidence now; they definitely didn't have clear evidence early in the crisis when he started ramping up the China blame game.

All this "woe is Trump, the meanie libtard MSM ignored his clear and rational take on the virus origins" is myopic and inaccurate revisionist history. It ignores his huge credibility problem late in his presidency, his steady stream of anti-China rhetoric for four years, and his motivations for trying to distract the American public from the gravity of the COVID crisis and his responsibility to manage the crisis effectively regardless of its origins.

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Civ, its time for you to take another hit of whatever drugs you are doing. Actually, try something different. Your TDS is making you look extremely petty. Trump is not the problem, people like you and the establishment class in Washington, the media, etc.. were pushing narratives about Trump that are flat out not true.

Take that hit...

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I found the use of the term "revisionist history" especially ironic...

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Lol. #notademocrat is going to fight tooth and nail that he was hoodwinked. He's even spouting virus denier nonsense. Just completely eaten up with TDS. The freaking press is even admitting that they misrepresented stories because it came from Trump, but #notademocrat thinks it had nothing to do with the election. Lol.

Imagine living in a country where it is considered racist to even suggest that a virus came from where it actually came from. None of this information is new, but any time anyone tried to bring it to light the past year and a half they were shouted down as a xenophobic trumper. That's the problem. When dealing with a devastating global pandemic, we should have been able to be responsible scientists and say "I don't agree with the things being said by the President, but it is my scientific duty to fully investigate this virus and its origins, no matter where that may lead". But instead, this **** happened in an election year, and so people lost their minds and covered up the inconvenient truths. People would rather carry water for a communist, totalitarian, regime than possibly put a check in the win column of the president they wanted gone. I have stayed apolitical in this thread, and chastised those that have tried to steer it political at every turn, but I can't let it go without speaking my mind. Science is supposed to be above politics, and if it's not, it makes it really hard to "trust science" in the future.

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pineknollshoresking said:

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Civ, its time for you to take another hit of whatever drugs you are doing. Actually, try something different. Your TDS is making you look extremely petty. Trump is not the problem, people like you and the establishment class in Washington, the media, etc.. were pushing narratives about Trump that are flat out not true.

Take that hit...

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"...whatever drugs you are doing..."
"Your TDS..."
"...you look extremely petty..."
"...people like you [are the problem]"

C'mon Cary, attack the content of the post, not the poster please.

If I'm wrong, tell me why instead of just calling names. Or else when we get together for a pork shoulder and bourbon tailgate you're getting more fat cap and less delicious bark.

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Like you did with Alex Berenson tweet? Simply attacked the tweeter, and not the tweet. The hypocrisy you exhibit on this board is legendary.

Ignoring the ridiculous TDS tweets that you think look "worse" now, lol, there was also zero hard evidence that it didn't originate in the lab. Yet Fauci and the media led a coordinated effort to say it couldn't possibly be from there, and the mouth breathing orange man bad crowd sucked it up.

Those science signs in the yard are looking even more ridiculous now.